I would like to tell you a bit more about God

[philh 0]

Ive never seen a threat on this forum, perhpas you could point one out?

[lisamariewillbe 1]

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Well Im glad you have doubts I wish more religious people would express them

Why though? Seriously expressing ones doubts on who or what they are is not something people generally do. I have doubts about many aspects of life and how I live it but I do not go around expressing them unless I feel it will help me or the person I express them to.

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That maybe the case but with god there is no evidence at all.

The fact that God exists in peoples heart and has since the dawn of time is evidence enough. The fact that wars start over his existence or his precieved existence is evidence. You can no further prove a God does not exist then a believer could prove he does. The only way to get proof is to die.

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i dont knwo what picutres you have been looking at but the Earth is certainly not a frisbee and its no round, its a spheriod

http://ihatesnaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/earth.jpg

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problem is not everyone agrees with your intepretation of the bible.

I dont interpret the bible. And if I did I would not begin to get into this topic because I do not have enough knowledge to prove you wrong. I do know that it states to be a disciple of the lord and to spread his word to those that dont. I know it states to love your enemies and bless those who curse you. I choose to think thats a better way to live then to stone someone.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[JackC 0]

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There we go. But acknowledge the flip side. How often on this site do you see the non-believers treating, in a very disrespectful way even the 'reasonable' faithful as the "cognitively unhealthy." That's just as big, if not a bigger, problem. It's absolutely identical to religious zealotry.

It does happen that's for sure. But it's not like there is an SI Standard Nutter, a nutter by which all other nutters can be calibrated. The line between "reasonable" and "cognitively unhealthy" isn't universally defined. An otherwise certifiable schizophrenic is just a fundamentalist if it's god they delude themselves about.

A part time heroin user might be completely normal in appearence and socially functional in all respects. But it is quite possible that somewhere down the line they will become smack addict extraordinare.

Maybe that was an analogy too far.

[rehmwa 2]

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SI Standard Nutter, a nutter by which all other nutters can be calibrated.

thank you for that
thank you very much

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[philh 0]

"The fact that God exists in peoples heart and has since the dawn of time is evidence enough"
No thats not evidence at all. That only evidence that people believ he exists, not that he does exist.


"You can no further prove a God does not exist then a believer could prove he does. The only way to get proof is to die. "

Replace the word god in that sentence with santa claus or the flying spagehtti monster, invisble unicorns etc and you will see how meanigful it really is. Of ocurse it is impossible to prove somehting does not exist, prove that my invisble reincarnation of Napoleon doesnt exist; you cant. One can only oserve the huge lack of evidence of existence as you yourself said the only way to get proof is to dei, how very convenient.

"I know it states to love your enemies and bless those who curse you. I choose to think thats a better way to live then to stone someone. "

Im glad that you dislike stoning people. The problem is that the bible says to stone unbelivers to death in the oT and to burn them for eternity in the nT. So you can see thhe problem is the bible itself.

[freethefly 6]

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I broke my leg on two places, but it'll heal. It just once again showed me that God looks after his children. He placed me close to help, and he supplied a docter to look after me. What more can a girl ask for

If a god was actually looking out for you, you would not had broke your leg. A god did not place you where you landed. That was your screw up. Learn how to use the stearing lines. They work better than leaving fate up to a god. As for medical people being at the dz, not uncommon. If you are counting on a god to bail you out when you fuck up in this sport, you should consider playing checkers instead.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Nightingale 0]

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The fact that God exists in peoples heart and has since the dawn of time is evidence enough. The fact that wars start over his existence or his precieved existence is evidence.

Since the dawn of time, people were convinced the world was flat until it was proved otherwise a few centuries ago. The existence of an idea for a long time has no connection whatsoever to its accuracy.

We started a war over weapons of mass destruction. The fact that we started a war over it has absolutely no influence over whether or not those weapons actually existed. Just because people are willing to fight over something (or claim that's what they're fighting for), that doesn't make that something real.

[stayhigh 2]

so we should follow Leviticus and Deuteronomy..

do you all follow this???

1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
4 " 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

and why do i see so many Christians make fun of other religion who forbids eating certain shit??? it is YOU who is violating the law of the LORD..

Don't fuck with pork, they are unclean for you!!!

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

[Nightingale 0]

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I broke my leg on two places, but it'll heal. It just once again showed me that God looks after his children. He placed me close to help, and he supplied a docter to look after me. What more can a girl ask for

If a god was actually looking out for you, you would not had broke your leg. A god did not place you where you landed. That was your screw up. Learn how to use the stearing lines. They work better than leaving fate up to a god. As for medical people being at the dz, not uncommon. If you are counting on a god to bail you out when you fuck up in this sport, you should consider playing checkers instead.

I'm just frightened that she's going to medical school and doesn't know how to spell "doctor".

[billvon 2,404]

> Ive never seen a threat on this forum, perhpas you could point one out?

They generally get deleted. But there have been many threats of violence, even a death threat or two. (And nothing will get you bounced off DZ.com faster.)

[lisamariewillbe 1]

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The existence of an idea for a long time has no connection whatsoever to its accuracy.

Does not prove its a accurate idea but it does prove that the idea has enough evidence behind it to provide many people with a life style.

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We started a war over weapons of mass destruction.

I wasnt referring to this war.

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Just because people are willing to fight over something (or claim that's what they're fighting for), that doesn't make that something real.

No it doesnt prove its real or make it real, just as fighting its non-existence does not mean it does not exist.

What one believes is just that, theres a place for all of us. Life would be less interesting without this debate, and maybe thats good enough reason to put up with the fanatics on both sides

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[Butters 0]

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Life would be less interesting without this debate, and maybe thats good enough reason to put up with the fanatics on both sides

Since when has the level of interest been reason enough for anything? Life would be less interesting without disease, famine, war, etc... Do you believe that is a good enough reason for them to exist?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[kallend 1,634]

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Life would be less interesting without this debate, and maybe thats good enough reason to put up with the fanatics on both sides

Since when has the level of interest been reason enough for anything? Life would be less interesting without disease, famine, war, etc... Do you believe that is a good enough reason for them to exist?

That's easy: disease, famine and war exist because the omnipotent God wants them to exist.

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[Royd 0]

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Since when has the level of interest been reason enough for anything? Life would be less interesting without disease, famine, war, etc... Do you believe that is a good enough reason for them to exist?

They exist because they are part of the big picture that is far beyond our finite, human control.

[freethefly 6]

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Don't fuck with pork, they are unclean for you

Hey!!!! My dads side of the family have been hog farmers for more than 100 years. Pork is good stuff.
Can I interest you in some fried hognuts?
Thay are damn tasty

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[philh 0]

"They exist because they are part of the big picture that is far beyond our finite, human control. "

How do you know that?

[NCclimber 0]

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Ive never seen a threat on this forum, perhpas you could point one out?

Wow.

It's like you got nothing from Rehmwa's post to you, this morning.

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[jakee 1,257]

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The fact that wars start over his existence or his precieved existence is evidence.

Cool, so all we gotta do is find out which religion started the most wars, and that's the true one! If only someone had told me how simple it was before now

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[lisamariewillbe 1]

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Cool, so all we gotta do is find out which religion started the most wars, and that's the true one! If only someone had told me how simple it was before now

The problem is it isnt simple enough for you. To mock someone because of thier opinion by stating something like that is about as close minded as the original poster is about "her God". Regardless if there is or isnt a higher power in the world isnt the issue, because people have a belief one way or the other. The issue is when peoples beliefs dont add up they want to lower the value of the opposite sides view with insults versus debate.

The issue in this thread from my viewpoint is the OPs delivery of her "testimony" not the responses it has recieved. To simply use one liners in an attempt to shatter whatever my own belief system is, is as effective as my 8 year old throwing a tantrum because hes grounded. It doesnt sway, nor does it help express to me why I should or shouldnt change my train of thought.

Life actually is rather simple, we are born, we live for an undetermined amount of time and then we die. Anything that happens after we die is mute since we are dead. If there isnt a heaven and hell then okay.

BTW I am pro life and against the death penalty if youd like to come up with a line that uses all my beliefs against me next time you might actually hurt my wittle feelings.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[jakee 1,257]

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To simply use one liners in an attempt to shatter whatever my own belief system is, is as effective as my 8 year old throwing a tantrum because hes grounded. It doesnt sway, nor does it help express to me why I should or shouldnt change my train of thought.

The purpose wasn't to change your mind, it was to Illustrate how badly thought out your argument was.

You say that wars fought over God are evidence that God exists. Well, many religious wars have been fought by people that had never heard of your God, or even conceived of a God of that type. Do the Aztec wars of conquest count as evidence for Quetzecoatl?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[lisamariewillbe 1]

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The purpose wasn't to change your mind, it was to Illustrate how badly thought out your argument was.

All that was illustrated to me was your ability to take one part of a post and state it as the end all be all to my beliefs or lack there of. I have stated that peoples guidelines of what is evidence differs. That the idea of a God or Gods has been around for such a long time that it is proof that the idea is enough for many to decide that he does exist. Had it been proven without a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing more then what we see then it would over time have become accepted. How long will it take them to prove he dont exist? Compare it to other theories that have been turned to fact, how many theories have with stood this much time without being proven one way or the other?

To reiderate my belief system is not black and white. I do not believe nor do I dis-believe in a higher power simpley because of wars.

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your God

And what God is that? I do not feel that if God exists he could be owned. I would never state my God, because regardless of evidence, I think most religons got the right idea and I have yet to find one I fit into or trust is all right. Nor will I, because "my" God wouldnt be property.

And knowing that this topic will never be proven by a thread in speakers corner, I shall declare victory for whoever wants it. I just hope the next testimony that someone uses as a basis to why they believe in God has more substence then someone studying hard and eventually getting into med school. Believe what you want in the world but if your going to convince others you should have at least stated that you passed the test even though you didnt study and somehow your answers were in hebrew, otherwise there will be those who say "Im pretty sure God has more important things to do then help you pass a test, you took multible times, and studied really hard for"

Have a great day everyone, this has been fun.

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[BounceEasy 0]

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That the idea of a God or Gods has been around for such a long time that it is proof that the idea is enough for many to decide that he does exist..

That's kinda the scary part.

If you walk, just walk. If you sit, just sit. But whatever you do, don't wobble.
- Master Ummon

[JackC 0]

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That the idea of a God or Gods has been around for such a long time that it is proof that the idea is enough for many to decide that he does exist.

I was listening to the radio a while ago and the subject was advertising for casinos. The host and his guest, a professor of some kind, were discussing the governments request for some form of warning on the adverts and the radio host said

"but surely you'd have to be a complete moron not to realise that you could lose money gambling?".

To which the professor replied

"quite, but some people are complete morons".

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. Any bampot idea you care to float and there is some stupid bastard out there who will buy into it, no matter how idiotic it is.

The fact that people will believe any old crap in no way suggests that said crap is true.

[beowulf 1]

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That the idea of a God or Gods has been around for such a long time that it is proof that the idea is enough for many to decide that he does exist.

How long does an idea of somthing have to be around for it to be proof of itself?

[Butters 0]

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That the idea of a God or Gods has been around for such a long time that it is proof that the idea is enough for many to decide that he does exist.

The idea that men are smarter than women has been around for a long time, has been the cause of violence, and has made life more interesting ... so should I believe it?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch