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[steveorino 7]

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Your mind tricks wont work on me Jedi.

Fetch me a dictionary!


Edit: Actually, scrap that. This is just a cut and paste job from here. Maybe you could translate it for me instead of just regurgitating unreferenced material (aka plagiarism).

I've written 20-30 page papers (no plagarism ) on systematic theology for my Masters. I thought an academic's summation would be more understandable than my ramblings.

steveOrino

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Its not uncommon for baloney pseudo scientists to try and hide their lack of substance with jargon and gibberish, post modernism a great example. perhaps theology another?

A post modernist example:

"If one examines substructural nationalism, one is faced with a choice: either reject semioticist socialism or conclude that the raison d’etre of the reader is deconstruction. De Selby suggests that we have to choose between cultural discourse and the precapitalist paradigm of context. In a sense, Sontag’s essay on the dialectic paradigm of context holds that language, somewhat ironically, has objective value, but only if culture is equal to art; if that is not the case, academe is capable of significance"

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When quoting other people its a good idea to say so, other wise you look like a plagarist.

[steveorino 7]

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As far as I can tell there is no way for you or any religious person to know if you interpretation of the bible is correct or not. Each person that I have talked to about religion seems to have their own seperate set of beliefs and while they do have many similiaritys with others they are still unique. That leads me to think that spirtuality is nothing but imaginative conjecture based on the bible.

Take a course in Systematic Theology, (or read a good book on it). While it cannot be easily summed up in a paragraph for forum, it will show Theology does have a method.

steveOrino

[jakee 1,257]

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Your mind tricks wont work on me Jedi.

Fetch me a dictionary!

"I was watching Ann Coulter on TV last night, she was saying that being a liberal was actually treason! Imagine that. She went on to say that 'Liberals have a preturnatural gift for siding with the enemy.' She likes to use words like 'Preturnatural' because she assumes we have to look them up. So I looked it up. It said,

'Preturnatural; Outside of, or unexplainable by, nature. See Ann Coulter.'"

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[steveorino 7]

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When quoting other people its a good idea to say so, other wise you look like a plagarist.

I know ... I'm busy at school and I'm trying to respond. I guess, I'll have to wait until the weekend is over.

steveOrino

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As far as I can tell there is no way for you or any religious person to know if you interpretation of the bible is correct or not. Each person that I have talked to about religion seems to have their own seperate set of beliefs and while they do have many similiaritys with others they are still unique. That leads me to think that spirtuality is nothing but imaginative conjecture based on the bible.

Take a course in Systematic Theology, (or read a good book on it). While it cannot be easily summed up in a paragraph for forum, it will show Theology does have a method.

Method? everyone has a method. That doesn't equate to rules. There are rules that must be followed in science for other scientists to take your work seriously. What universal rules are there in Theology? There appear to be none.

[philh 0]

So the text you write is not necessarily you own. What else isnt what it seems, how about your picture, is that really you?

[steveorino 7]

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Its not uncommon for baloney pseudo scientists to try and hide their lack of substance with jargon and gibberish, post modernism a great example. perhaps theology another?

A post modernist example:

"If one examines substructural nationalism, one is faced with a choice: either reject semioticist socialism or conclude that the raison d’etre of the reader is deconstruction. De Selby suggests that we have to choose between cultural discourse and the precapitalist paradigm of context. In a sense, Sontag’s essay on the dialectic paradigm of context holds that language, somewhat ironically, has objective value, but only if culture is equal to art; if that is not the case, academe is capable of significance"

Okay, okay, I will be 100% honest. As busy as I am right now, I have time to make a well thought out post. I just wanted to BS you guys with some theology talk. And while I can do it -- there is nothing like the BS a theology professor can spout. I should have said, "Dabney is fond of saying ..."

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[steveorino 7]

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So the text you write is not necessarily you own. What else isnt what it seems, how about your picture, is that really you?

www.steve-phelps.com It is the internet -- you never know.

steveOrino

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hats off to u Steve, you look amzingly young to be a grandparent. Well done mate.

"there is nothing like the BS a theology professor can spout."

Finally some common ground between us, Ill second that statement.

Funnily enough the web site you pasted from defined theology as "the science of god". If that isnt bullshit, I dont know what is.

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I've written 20-30 page papers (no plagarism ) on systematic theology for my Masters. I thought an academic's summation would be more understandable than my ramblings.

Then you know that using a quote without crediting the original author is plagiarism.

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[steveorino 7]

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I've written 20-30 page papers (no plagarism ) on systematic theology for my Masters. I thought an academic's summation would be more understandable than my ramblings.

Then you know that using a quote without crediting the original author is plagiarism.

How many more times must I say it? To have a little fun and BS you guys with some theology wordsmithing, I plagarized a text. Lighten up guys. I admited it. I gave my reasoning without rationalizing that it was okay.

steveOrino

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How many more times must I say it? To have a little fun and BS you guys with some theology wordsmithing, I plagarized a text. Lighten up guys. I admited it. I gave my reasoning without rationalizing that it was okay.

Don't sweat it Steve. I spotted it because you generally write better than that.

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How many more times must I say it? To have a little fun and BS you guys with some theology wordsmithing, I plagarized a text. Lighten up guys. I admited it. I gave my reasoning without rationalizing that it was okay.

To be fair, I replied before I saw that others had called you on it. Sorry if you feel picked on.

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[steveorino 7]

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Funnily enough the web site you pasted from defined theology as "the science of god". If that isnt bullshit, I dont know what is.

I agree that science is a poor description of this type of study. I have always heard theology was the study of God, not the science of God. Semantics.

I have dozens of theology books on my shelves and 100s boxed up in tha attic. Seems to be a waste of time to search for references that way anymore. However, this is a good resource I found online that "may" answer some of your question about the "rules" of biblical theology. But understand I don't know of anyone that uses a scientific method for theology, but "criticism" does apply.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_hcri.htm

steveOrino

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What I am saying re Tacitus is that his writings do not in any way back up the main claims of Christianity ie that Jesus was the Messiah and was ressurected from the dead. At best Tacitus shows us that there were Christians at the time he was writing (about 100ad) . But Im not disputing that there were Christians then, Im disputing the divintiy of Christ and his resurection

You refute eye witnesses claims because we don't have their original documents, just copies of their testimony. I wonder how many original copies of any 1st century historian do we have. I'm not saying there aren't any, I simply want to know if you verifiable evidence of such and where they are.

Almost all Jewish writings from before 70 AD will have been destroyed in the destruction of Jerusalem. That is common knowledge.

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I wonder how many original copies of any 1st century historian do we have. I'm not saying there aren't any, I simply want to know if you verifiable evidence of such and where they are.

I don't know. To be honest, most of the first Century BC is totally devoid of notable historians. Off the top of my head I can't really think of any big names to fill the gap between Livy (died~20AD) and Plutarch and Tacitus (born ~50AD). Compared to the golden age of the 1stC BC it's an incredibly poorly documented period. Such is the nature of dictatorships I guess.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[steveorino 7]

Yet, historians accept their historical records as reasonable fact. Most likey we have no originals and few copies, yet we have over 5000 copies of books, letters and pieces of books and letters of the NT.

EDITED TO ADD: 5000 copies is the most conservative number I have ever read. Others claim copies in the 10s of thousands.

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[jakee 1,257]

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Yet, historians accept their historical records as reasonable fact. Most likey we have no originals and few copies, yet we have over 5000 copies of books, letters and pieces of books and letters of the NT.

Well, not really. I know of no ancient historian who is taken at absolute face value.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[steveorino 7]

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Yet, historians accept their historical records as reasonable fact. Most likey we have no originals and few copies, yet we have over 5000 copies of books, letters and pieces of books and letters of the NT.

Well, not really. I know of no ancient historian who is taken at absolute face value.

I said reasonable. Reasonable enough to put their work in a history book and pass it off as fact to students.

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Yet, historians accept their historical records as reasonable fact. Most likey we have no originals and few copies, yet we have over 5000 copies of books, letters and pieces of books and letters of the NT.

Well, not really. I know of no ancient historian who is taken at absolute face value.

I said reasonable. Reasonable enough to put their work in a history book and pass it off as fact to students.

Junior high students? Anyone involved in the study of classics realises that the first thing to learn is that you always need to keep your eye on the authors agenda and never blindly accept what they are saying.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[steveorino 7]

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Junior high students? Anyone involved in the study of classics realises that the first thing to learn is that you always need to keep your eye on the authors agenda and never blindly accept what they are saying.

Everyone has a bias, whether it be secular of religous. I know. I grew up in Texas and believe me the Texas account of history does not jive with Mexican history.

What do they put in books about the 1st century for high school and college students? They don't quanitfy it. Some editor has accpeted it as "fact" Even though no manuscripts exist and only a hand full of copies exist.

Wouldn't ROMAN historians along with other secular historians have an agenda AGAINST Christianity?

steveOrino

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> Ha, and I can't believe you don't want to define it...

Then I'll define it. The world around you that really exists and is indifferent to anyone's attempts to change it via fantasy, misdirection, politics or magical thinking.

[jakee 1,257]

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Everyone has a bias, whether it be secular of religous.

I believe that's what i just said.

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What do they put in books about the 1st century for high school and college students? They don't quanitfy it. Some editor has accpeted it as "fact"

Don't quantify "it"? Accept "it" as fact? What's "it"?

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Wouldn't ROMAN historians along with other secular historians have an agenda AGAINST Christianity?

Possibly. But to the surviving near contemporary authors Christ is a footnote at best. Even if we knew their bias its very difficult to use it to analyse what they don't say.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?