Casurf1978 0 #176 December 19, 2005 In my experience this is one of the few countries where people feel the need to judge what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Americans have problems with sex and sexuality. If you want to have a three some with two girls, a guy and a girl, two guys, or a pair of hairy midgets go right ahead. I really could care less about someones sex life. It's just sex isn't it and if I'm not getting any I really dont wanna hear about it. QuoteI think this is very significant because gays do not appreciate that as much as most straight people reject prejudice against them, gays will continue to face seeming bigotry/hatred in part, I believe, because a normal display of affection is simply repulsive. I would say over the top PDA is a bit repulsive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 3 #177 December 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteI wonder if the hatred would fade if they could just get the obsessive images out of their heads. You seemed to be obsessed with the idea that people who dissagree with your lifestlyle HATE you. He belongs to a group that has been legislated against and persecuted. Is it obsessive to understand the reality of a situation? QuoteIMO i think you hate others who don't approve of your lifestyle. Why should anyone's approval of his lifestyle be required? The other side of that is that disapproval is even more unnecessary, but it is the disapproval of straights that has led to the persecution and legislation against gays. QuoteYou have a complex. Get some counseling and deal with it. It almost sounds like you chose your path of life just to piss everybody off. Keith has made no bones about his sexaulity, in fact he deals with it through candor and humour. You however, seem to continue to lash out in anger. You can catch a lot more flies with honey than you ever can with vinegar. I don't see any lashing out in anger. We all argue the issues we believe in. Why is your issue or my issue any more worthy or any less "obsessive" than his? Should someone have to "catch more flies with honey" over something that should be a matter of right--to choose the way one will live, as long as it doesn't interfere with the way anyone else lives? And if you would like to say that the portrayal of gays in the media does interfere with the way you live, then you're going to have to agree that the portrayal of straights in the media interferes with the way gays live, so just don't go there. QuoteLook, at the end of the day, every individual has a free will, and it's your right and your choice to do as you will. Just don't broadcast it and try to convert others through media, speeches, anger, HATE....etc.... I don't see gays trying to convert anyone, but there are certainly those who think it is possible to "cure" gays. QuoteCan you visualize me having sex with a really hot babe? Given everything he has said, why would he want to? Quotei reserve the right to have my own opinion about it, the same way you do. He doesn't seem to have an opinion of your sexuality, and he doesn't seem to care who you have sex with. It's his sexual orientation that keeps coming under the microscope, not yours. So why do you need to have an opinion about his? There's a lot of projection going on here. He makes some of the clearest and most cogent arguments of anyone I've ever seen on these forums--on all subjects, not just this one--and all I see him getting back is condescension, fallacy and mishegoss. I shouldn't have even responded to this because his reply is going to be a helluva lot better than mine, but I can't stand it that you don't appreciate one of the rare few flying minds in your midst. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #178 December 19, 2005 QuoteCan you visualize me having sex with a really hot babe? C'mon.....you know you can. Everything else you said in your post was wrong. This on the other hand is hilarious. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #179 December 19, 2005 QuoteQuotei reserve the right to have my own opinion about it, the same way you do. He doesn't seem to have an opinion of your sexuality, and he doesn't seem to care who you have sex with. It's his sexual orientation that keeps coming under the microscope, not yours. So why do you need to have an opinion about his? RL, your answer was far better than anything I'd say. I've fallen out of the mood to argue with people who intentionally miss the point. Tonight I had a delicious dinner with several REALLY delicious glasses of scotch with my GAY LOVER of 7 wonderful years. Arguing with simpletons about my sexuality on a skydiving website just doesn't seem worth my time right now. Oops, he's calling to me come in and join him in bed. See y'all! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #180 December 19, 2005 QuoteTonight I had a delicious dinner with several REALLY delicious glasses of scotch with my GAY LOVER of 7 wonderful years. Arguing with simpletons about my sexuality on a skydiving website just doesn't seem worth my time right now. Some day I hope to meet both you and your partner. The bits of your lifestyle I've glimpsed have been an inspiration. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #181 December 19, 2005 Sex involves a man and a woman. Anything else is just pleasure, not sex. Sex is procreation. Gay lovers is just that; lovers or pleasure. So please all of you in the future please realize you are politically, religiously, and morally incorrect by referring to it as sex._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #182 December 19, 2005 QuoteSex involves a man and a woman. Anything else is just pleasure, not sex. Sex is procreation. Gay lovers is just that; lovers or pleasure. So please all of you in the future please realize you are politically, religiously, and morally incorrect by referring to it as sex. So a BJ is not sex? I knew it, I knew it!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #183 December 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteSex involves a man and a woman. Anything else is just pleasure, not sex. Sex is procreation. Gay lovers is just that; lovers or pleasure. So please all of you in the future please realize you are politically, religiously, and morally incorrect by referring to it as sex. So a BJ is not sex? I knew it, I knew it!!!! Well, sweet... I think we all have a few "get out of jail free" cards now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #184 December 19, 2005 So a BJ is not sex? I knew it, I knew it!!!! <<<<< Correct it is not. However we need to make teenager aware that sexualy trasmitted diseases are possably from BJ. The fact that our former president Bill Clinton stated to the world "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" dosn't mean it is safe._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #185 December 19, 2005 QuoteSome day I hope to meet both you and your partner. The bits of your lifestyle I've glimpsed have been an inspiration. I'm one of the lucky ones who's met them. We should all be so lucky as to have what they have. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #186 December 19, 2005 QuoteSex involves a man and a woman. Anything else is just pleasure, not sex. Sex is procreation. So if I've always used birth control (condoms or the pill), does that mean I'm still a virgin because I've never had 'sex?' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #187 December 19, 2005 Do you think your a virgin? Have you had another mans penis up you anis? Condem or not. It just pleasure. Sex is only between a man and a woman. You can change it around, try to misconstru it all you want. Having a relationship with the same gender, condem or not is still not having sex. If the NYPD shoved their batton up yours would you consider yourself a virgin? Unless I'm mistaken a woman has a small piece of skin that prevents fluids from passing through. I can not remember the name of this membran, but I believe I remember it from Biology in highschool. Did you go to highschool? ----------------------------------------------------------- So if I've always used birth control (condoms or the pill), does that mean I'm still a virgin because I've never had 'sex?' <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ----------------------------------------------------- Your just trying to bait me! Did you ejaculate in that condem? Freak! What did the female hormones from taking birth control pills do to the hair on your sexuality? Maybe thats why your gay!_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #188 December 19, 2005 A couple of interesting things happened last night regarding straight people in the gay community. I went to a couple of gay bars. When I got to the first one I noticed one of the front windows had been broken out. It turns out a straight couple had been in earlier. They got pretty drunk. The girlfriend was being a little more friendly with the gay guys than the boyfriend would have liked so he decided to "beat the fags ass," no one in particular just who ever was handy at the time. As they escorted him out of the bar he took a bar stool to one of the front windows. This kind of thing has happened several times before in that one bar alone. After leaving the first bar I went to a second bar. A straight couple came in sat at the bar and began to make out. They were going at it pretty hot and heavy. No one said a thing but I thought to myself 'of all the straight establishments why did they pick a gay bar to make out in? This kind of thing isn't uncommon either. You don't find gay men or women making out in straight establishments. If they did they'd get booted at best. And I can't remember the last time a gay couple went into a straight bar and started a fight.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #189 December 19, 2005 Did you hear that wooshing sound as my question went over your head? When I sleep with a woman, I use birth control as I have no interest in children. Therefore, it's not procreation, and per your statement, it's not even sex. Therefore, I must be a virgin, no? If sex is only procreation, then only unprotected intercourse is sex. Everything else is pleasure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #190 December 19, 2005 OK if that how you want to see things. Even protected sex with a woman is the act of procreation, however it is against the church t do so. Gay people do have the choice of procreation, protected or not. It is still not sex, U can twist it all you want, try to bait me in to beliving you know better, the simple fact is that two men can not have a child. Any act of pleasuring each other is still not the act of procreation. There is a design, one of these day even with all the protected birth control you use you may still get a woman pregnate. However you will NEVER get a man pregnate. As hard as you may try rep after rep you can not get another man pregnate, so the act is not sex. Even married couples (man and woman) try to have children, and sometime they do not. They were trying to procreat. Still you will try to twist my words so they please your own views, however you can not argue with genitics, you can argue with me here in this fourm, try to believe in some way you have covinced some segment of the population of this world, but you are only fooling your self. I have been entertained by your atempts, but I will no longer answer to you. You are trying to argue with the reproduction of our species. You have no basis for your statments, and are drawing upon false conclusions that you HAVE TO KNOW are flawed. Please do us, and everyone else a favor and stop. You are only showing your own ignorance, men and wemon have childeren. Gay people have to resort to some unethical, man created ways to have childeren like invetro fertalization or adoption of a child that was created by a man and woman! Just stop with the hypotheticals, you don't have a leg to stand on, your just fishing for a personal attack. Please don't think in some way you are GOD and can change things. This is a moot point. A fucking condom, dosen't make you GOD. Sperm vs. egg equals children. period. How are gay people supposed to do that?_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #191 December 19, 2005 QuoteHave you had another mans penis up you anis? Condem or not. It just pleasure. How fascinating that you think about receiving anal sex this way. QuoteIf the NYPD shoved their batton up yours would you consider yourself a virgin? Ok, things are getting a LITTLE weird here. QuoteUnless I'm mistaken a woman has a small piece of skin that prevents fluids from passing through. I can not remember the name of this membran, but I believe I remember it from Biology in highschool. Did you go to highschool? Now things are DEFINITELY getting weird. QuoteYour just trying to bait me! Did you ejaculate in that condem? Freak! What did the female hormones from taking birth control pills do to the hair on your sexuality? Maybe thats why your gay! We have lost cabin pressure. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #192 December 19, 2005 OH.... how fast your finished! You must have really been board with your lover to return here so fast. I would think after 7 years, you would have something else better to entertain your self with?_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #193 December 19, 2005 Quote I wonder sometimes why anyone would want to own a pickup if they only rarely haul anything in the back. Why you .... you.... you .. truck-a-phobe you, and you bein a Texican to boot.. man they need to pull your Texican card too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #194 December 19, 2005 QuoteSo a BJ is not sex? I knew it, I knew it!!!! <<<<< Correct it is not. However we need to make teenager aware that sexualy trasmitted diseases are possably from BJ. The fact that our former president Bill Clinton stated to the world "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" dosn't mean it is safe. SEE I TOLD YALL When Clinton said HE DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN..... he was tellin the TRUTH... just like SO MANY of the other GOOD OLE BOYS BELIEVE. DAYUM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #195 December 19, 2005 I started another thread in SC titled "My thought on creation and religon". I feel in responding to Kelpdiver, and the rest would be hijacking this thread If you guys want to make fun of my views let take it there, this thread is titles Brokeback mountian. The movie about how two gay cowboys ruined the lives of their families._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #196 December 19, 2005 QuoteQuote I wonder sometimes why anyone would want to own a pickup if they only rarely haul anything in the back. Why you .... you.... you .. truck-a-phobe you, and you bein a Texican to boot.. man they need to pull your Texican card too True. I hate driving behind trucks cuz I can't see past them. When I am behind a truck that is driving too slow I can't tell whether I should be fantasizing about putting that truck's driver to death by slow torture or someone who is driving in front of the truck. I know it doesn't matter, though, because if it isn't the truck directly in front of me slowing down traffic, it's some other truck-driving dumbass in front of him who is driving too slow. There's another thing. I know this shouldn't bother me, but it just does. I have noticed that a lot of truck people seem to have a relationship with their truck that borders on....well, I don't know what it borders on, but it's almost is if, given the chance, they would marry their truck. "Honey, I love you. Ever since I saw you sittin' there with that beeeeeeeeeeeeyootiful heavy-duty grill guard, winch, and those cute little halogen headlights of yours smilin' at me in that way you do, well Baby, I knew it was the deepest love I had ever felt." "Hun, I promise that I will always put only the finest Premium grade gasoline into you and the best synthetic motor oil that money can buy--with just the right amount of Slick 50." "We're gonna go places, Honey; we're gonna go everywhere. Just you and me. And I promise I will be faithful only to you forever." Women pretty much avoid me like the plague, so this is a moot point, but no way would I ever date a truck drivin' woman. I don't think I could ever get past the feeling that I was the "other" guy in her life. Yep, they probably should take away my Texican card and my guy card. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #197 December 19, 2005 QuoteYep, they probably should take away my Texican card and my guy card. Hey... Want a hug? Btw when's your next story coming out in the Bonfire?HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #198 December 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteYep, they probably should take away my Texican card and my guy card. Hey... Want a hug? Btw when's your next story coming out in the Bonfire? I've been thinking about what story I should post next in the Bonfire. Maybe something thoroughly depressing because that's what people seem to like for the holidays. I really don't know. I was thinking about posting about the time I taught a 3-year old how to shoot the finger and his mother got extremely upset with me. Or about the time a friend gave me a "live" tutorial on how to pickup a hooker. Or about my worst date ever (she got arrested and her car got towed, leaving me stranded at a horse track about 1:00 in the morning). I don't know. I'll figure it out and write up a few more stories this week. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 3 #199 December 19, 2005 QuoteOH.... how fast your finished! You must have really been board with your lover to return here so fast. I would think after 7 years, you would have something else better to entertain your self with? It was more than three hours. You call that fast? Dude, if you'll invest in a spellchecker, I want your body. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #200 December 19, 2005 hell I even posted him a link to one on his own thread and he ignored it. Are we really 200 posts into a discussion on the relative merits/pitfalls of being gay? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
