billvon 2,454 #26 August 12, 2005 If you see gas prices shoot up _and_ oil prices dip significantly, then you'd have evidence that we don't have enough refinery capacity. Heck, I hope we _don't_ build more refineries even if we do need them - it would be nice to not drain the world's oil even faster than we're doing now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #27 August 12, 2005 I wonder if the tar sand filtering is already in the works or if the oil companies are perfectly happy with the way it is now. Should buy us time to get our dependence on oil down in the meantime though....Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #28 August 12, 2005 I see it every week. That is the funny thing with gas. Example: Oil goes from $50/brl to $55/brl in 3 days. Gas prices go from 2.10 to 2.25 in the same period. A week later oil drops back to $50.... gas doesn't move for 8 days... and when it does it drops 1-2 cents at a time. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 August 12, 2005 Quote>...marginally better gas mileage, ....(Maybe not you, but someone with less money .... 1 - When the truck get 13-14 mpg, even another gasoline powered vehicle is never "marginally" better in MPG 2 - You think I'm rich - that's cute. Incorrect, but cute. Purchasing power is a matter of priorities and choice. And it applies to executives of huge companies and people making minimum wage - I've lived at minimum wage (haven't ever gotten to the exec level and likely won't) and my lifestyle depended always more on my choices than my income. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 August 12, 2005 QuoteChavez descends further down the path of jackassery...Chavez called the United States the "most savage, cruel and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world." It's common for socialist dictators, in order to deflect attention away from their own abject failures, to turn the public's hatred onto some outsider. As such, America is a good scapegoat for jackasses upon which to blame their woes. For Hitler, is was Jews. To each his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 August 12, 2005 The history of the US when it comes to meddling Central and South American nations is not a good one. At least not if you're living in one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 August 12, 2005 QuoteThe people who can afford to spend 70,000 dollars on an H2 that gets 9miles/gallon are the same ones that don't really give a shit if gas is 5$/gallon. They can obviouly afford the expence. I don't think legislation is the way to go. Personal responsability is. You don't see a conflict in your two statements? At 750 gallons a year (15,000 mi at 20mpg, probably slightly above average consumption), 2$ more is only $1500. Money that would be missed, but with car payments over 500/mo, it's still a smaller part of the equation. Not enough to encourage better choices for our national interests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #33 August 12, 2005 And with the Nazi reference, who just automatically voided their arguement? .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #34 August 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteChavez descends further down the path of jackassery...Chavez called the United States the "most savage, cruel and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world." It's common for socialist dictators, in order to deflect attention away from their own abject failures, to turn the public's hatred onto some outsider. As such, America is a good scapegoat for jackasses upon which to blame their woes. For Hitler, is was Jews. To each his own. Hitler was hardly a socialist dictator. But I do agree: ANY DICTATORS will find a common enemy in order to "unite" the people. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #35 August 12, 2005 Ask some Venezuelans what they think about Chavez. You'll see, the guy pretty much thinks he's Jesus. Total wack-job. The guy has no excuses.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #36 August 12, 2005 Did you talk to Super and Daniel to long? Saludos de MexicoMichi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #37 August 12, 2005 QuoteAnd with the Nazi reference, who just automatically voided their arguement? You did, by somehow thinking that the word "Hitler" automatically renders an argument invalid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #38 August 12, 2005 Quote bus like that with 20 kids on it is getting 100 passenger-miles per gallon. You're better off doing that than having mom drive each kid to school 10 miles. Again, it's not the SUV's carrying hay to the pasture, or the bus carrying kids - it's the single SUV carrying one guy 60 miles to and from work. nope, 6-8 kids not 10 but 25 or more miles each way, passing 2-3 schools on the way. At a cost 60-75,000 a copy and have a service life of 5-7 years of full time service. a horrid waste of tax money and fuel. All for PC. if they went to the school down the road, they could walk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #39 August 12, 2005 Yeah, Super, Dan, our Dan, Mari, Vlad, Ivette, and pretty much every Venezuelan I know... it's pretty obvious how they feel!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #40 August 13, 2005 QuoteThere is nothing wrong with a large vehicle used as intended. Want to get a Cadillac and drive three other people to work in comfort? No problem. Want to get a minivan to take the kids to soccer practice? Great; your PMPG (passenger miles per gallon) is going to be really high. Want to get a truck to carry hay to the feedlot? That's what they are designed for. But if you buy an Escalade to take yourself, alone, to and from work every day - that's wasteful. A lot of inefficient vehicles are used as single person commuters, I agree that these deserve criticism. A Suzuki Samurai doesn't deserve to be considered in the same way as a Cadillac Escalade. A lot of people have large pickups because they use the bed a couple times a year for mulch or something that can simply be delivered for a very small fee. With more SUVs having 7 or 8 seats lately, they are also serving the same role as minivan for many that don't like the styling/image of minivans. Again, please criticize gas hog vehicles of all types, not just SUVs.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #41 August 13, 2005 How much oil does the US have of it's own its own country) (it? If it's loads, it it trying to hoard it for later or is it not of the same type required for general motoring? . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #42 August 14, 2005 time to open up the gulf, Alaska and others, tree huggers be damned.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #43 August 14, 2005 >time to open up the gulf, Alaska and others . . . Right! Drain them now, while we have the cheapest gas on the planet. That way there will come a day when the Middle East has the only oil left on the planet. That will be a happy day for the US! The reality is that we will need oil for a long time. Forget filling up your SUV's, we need oil to launch warplanes and fuel our military. If there comes a day when we are completely reliant on a foreign power to supply our military, we might as well start sewing the white flags now. If, on the other hand, we save that oil for a day when we desperately need it for our military, we may have another 10 years or so to make the switch to the next source of energy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #44 August 14, 2005 QuoteForget filling up your SUV's I like it better this way: Forget filling up your gas hogs.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #45 August 14, 2005 QuoteDrain them now hardly from the reports i have heard there are 60 plus year supply. Quote Forget filling up your SUV's btw I just did fill mine up. and we could keep busing kids past 3 schools just to make white liberals with guilt, happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #46 August 14, 2005 >hardly from the reports i have heard there are 60 plus year supply. Now that's funny! You're not listening to FOX again, are you? The US uses about 20 million barrels a day. ANWR contains, by USGS estimates, about 10 billion barrels of oil. That's 500 days. 16 months. Let's put you in the situation. You are president of the US. Every reserve in the US has been bled dry to make gas more affordable for the loyal voters. There is a month worth of supply in the strategic reserves. The military can run on that for two months if they stretch it and you shut down most of the transportation in the US. Contractors say it will take five years to switch to alternative fuels for US military engines. OPEC announces they will only sell to China because they're getting annoyed at the US-Iran war, and China hasn't invaded any Arab countries lately. China starts escorting OPEC tankers to their ports. What do you do to solve the problem? >I just did fill mine up. Congratulations! Let someone else solve the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #47 August 15, 2005 QuoteWhat do you do to solve the problem? Invade Belgium! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #48 August 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat do you do to solve the problem? Invade Belgium! and Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pdj6p 0 #49 August 15, 2005 The price of oil has several companies lined up to extract oil from the shale in utah like they are allready in canada. However just as in canada the shale would have to be mined from huge open pits. This does not sit well with environmental groups. Since the shale is mostly on B.L.M. land a compramise would have to be met with the environmentalist, the government, and the oil companies. These groups usualy don't play well with each other so I do not predict U.S. oil from shale any time soon. Incedently it is estamated that the reserve of oil in the shale rivals that of the middle east. Death is so permanant, and I'm just not ready for that kind of committment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #50 August 15, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you do to solve the problem? Invade Belgium! and Canada.Hey! Pick on somebody else other than me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
