rhino 0 #1 May 5, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7738733/ Military concludes 3 unarmed insurgents were killed in self-defense Good to go! Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #2 May 5, 2005 Quotehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7738733/ Military concludes 3 unarmed insurgents were killed in self-defense Good to go! Rhino Paging Christelsabine & Botellines...Waiting for your Anti-US hissy-fits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #3 May 5, 2005 Paging DrunkMonkey. Waiting for your hillbilly, lackluster-vision-of-human-rights hissy-fits. Man, it works for everybody. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,467 #4 May 5, 2005 Both of you cut it out. Drunkmonkey, the next ban you get won't be for just a few weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #5 May 5, 2005 Yes, that's very good news! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #7 May 5, 2005 QuoteWaiting for your hillbilly, lackluster-vision-of-human-rights hissy-fits. Seems like the human rights was just fine...A soldier shot a bad guy. The judges seem to not have a problem with it. Of course some will claim he should be draw and quartered."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #8 May 5, 2005 It should have been a "non-issue" from the start......Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #9 May 5, 2005 In war it is traditional to shoot at the enemy. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #10 May 5, 2005 My point exactly!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #11 May 5, 2005 I'm glad that this cased ended this way. Rules of engangement are made to be bent when tactics like gernading yourself are used. I am wondering howthe other case of the soldier that shot the iraqis in the back and hung a sign up about it will turn out. http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/26/marine.iraq.death.ap/Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #12 May 5, 2005 QuoteI am wondering howthe other case of the soldier that shot the iraqis in the back and hung a sign up about it will turn out Putting the sign on the car was stupid."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #13 May 5, 2005 QuoteSeems like the human rights was just fine...A soldier shot a bad guy. So Ron, are you suggesting that had this been the other way around, and someone shot our "good guys" in an identical situation, you would feel the same? Of course not. QuoteThe judges seem to not have a problem with it. I'm simply saying that it should be no suprise that judges from the US excuse a US soldier, when there is room to spin the deed. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #14 May 5, 2005 hay rhino know what usmc stands for uncle sams misguided children hooah airborn all the way .. bet that woke you up ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #15 May 5, 2005 QuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. This didn't raise any flags oh wait they were unarmed brown people i forgot that makes it ok in some eyes.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #16 May 5, 2005 QuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. There, fixed it for ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #17 May 5, 2005 I'm simply saying that it should be no suprise that judges from the US excuse a US soldier, when there is room to spin the deed. Quote Didn't we just pass a law or something where American solder can not be tried for war crimes by any other government but us? They hate us because were free not that we are filled with hypocrisy or our arrogance. Not that we kill unarmed people then say good job to the murderers. Not that our actions show that we are racists, but we do value life American ones only.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #18 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. There, fixed it for ya. insurgents: Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party. I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? Oh yea and that’s not Al jazeer dictionary either it is on dictionary.comI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #19 May 5, 2005 QuoteThey hate us because were free not that we are filled with hypocrisy or our arrogance. Not that we kill unarmed people then say good job to the murderers. Not that our actions show that we are racists, but we do value life American ones only. Darius,it's too bad that you have only the media to rely upon for the situation in Iraq...........Most of the Iraqi's dont hate us,most of the US troops are NOT racists and most DO value life other than American..... Here, let me wring out that crying towel for youMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #20 May 5, 2005 Quote I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: Quote I'm also well aware from many years as a war reporter that there have been times, especially in this conflict, when dead and wounded insurgents have been booby-trapped, even supposedly including an incident that happened just a block away from the mosque in which one Marine was killed and five others wounded. Again, a detail that was clearly stated in my television report. No one, especially someone like me who has lived in a war zone with you, would deny that a soldier or Marine could legitimately err on the side of caution under those circumstances. War is about killing your enemy before he kills you If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #21 May 5, 2005 Darius,it's too bad that you have only the media to rely upon for the situation in Iraq...........Most of the Iraqi's dont hate us,most of the US troops are NOT racists and most DO value life other than American..... Here, let me wring out that crying towel for you Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 *** Keep your towel we will need to clean the innocent blood we spill of off our hands. You know you are right I do get sad when I hear innocent people get murdered/killed. I care more about human life then I do about gas prices. I also value human life regardless of color, or religion. So this solder who according to the article posted on this thread killed 3 other unarmed people and executed an injured man is a good representation of all are solders? I fucking hope not. I refuse to believe that. And if he is not a good representation of our solders and he did make a mistake or just didn’t give a fuck because the people he shot aren’t US citizens shouldn’t he be punished? Is that so hard to understand? You can’t have it bought ways. Just FYI I don’t believe a word on TV. If I did I would be one of the many mislead supporting this war. Thank God I am not. I sleep well at nights how about you?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #22 May 5, 2005 QuoteSo Ron, are you suggesting that had this been the other way around, and someone shot our "good guys" in an identical situation, you would feel the same? Actually yes. I would not be happy, but in a combat situation with an enemy known for boobie trapping bodies, and suicide detonations of IED's when the shooter tries to offer aid or capture the wounded....I'd understand it. In this case the enemy is quite well known for suicide bombs and they even offer to "surrender" then open fire. If our troops used the same tactics and the roles were revesed....I would not be up in arms about it.. QuoteOf course not. so much for you knowing me huh? QuoteI'm simply saying that it should be no suprise that judges from the US excuse a US soldier, when there is room to spin the deed. Right but given the choice of listening to the US judges, or the terrorists....I'll go with the US judges. You it seems would rather just assume that the US and its troops are bad and evil. Ever served in the Military? Even been in a situation where you were going to be shot at? If not, don't pretend to know. You are right about one thing...no level of punishment would have been enough anyway. you and your type will demand more. The terrorists will not care about this trooper, or Englands jail sentance. They will just strap exposives on and kill an American...Even if they the person they kidnap and kill was a Red Cross aid worker. We at least kill the ones that were just trying to kill us."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #23 May 5, 2005 QuoteThis didn't raise any flags oh wait they were unarmed brown people i forgot that makes it ok in some eyes No, what made it ok was they were just shooting from inside a mosque...Ya know trying to kill people from a house of worship....Ya know that according to the Geneva that you can't use a house of worship as a base for combat....Oh, and you are not allowed to boobie trap bodies...Both of these are things that the terrorists do. So if they will break one rule, and they have in the past broken another....Chances are they will continue. It was a good shoot."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #24 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. There, fixed it for ya. Easy to understand. Unarmed against armed. A fine and fair point of view seen from the armed party.. Oh wait, I forgot: There were 3 of unarmed insurgents? Now, that makes sense ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #25 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuote I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: Quote I'm also well aware from many years as a war reporter that there have been times, especially in this conflict, when dead and wounded insurgents have been booby-trapped, even supposedly including an incident that happened just a block away from the mosque in which one Marine was killed and five others wounded. Again, a detail that was clearly stated in my television report. No one, especially someone like me who has lived in a war zone with you, would deny that a soldier or Marine could legitimately err on the side of caution under those circumstances. War is about killing your enemy before he kills you If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. We make decisions in life. The decisions we make have consequences. When we make mistakes we should pay for them not get a pat on the back. The fact that a block away there was a booby-trap doesn’t give you the license to kill UNARMED or injured people when you feel like it. QuoteI don't see raising against an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? Here I fixed it for you. I am sure my misspelling of one word had made it impossible for you to understand so I hope that helps.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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Darius11 12 #18 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. There, fixed it for ya. insurgents: Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party. I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? Oh yea and that’s not Al jazeer dictionary either it is on dictionary.comI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #19 May 5, 2005 QuoteThey hate us because were free not that we are filled with hypocrisy or our arrogance. Not that we kill unarmed people then say good job to the murderers. Not that our actions show that we are racists, but we do value life American ones only. Darius,it's too bad that you have only the media to rely upon for the situation in Iraq...........Most of the Iraqi's dont hate us,most of the US troops are NOT racists and most DO value life other than American..... Here, let me wring out that crying towel for youMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #20 May 5, 2005 Quote I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: Quote I'm also well aware from many years as a war reporter that there have been times, especially in this conflict, when dead and wounded insurgents have been booby-trapped, even supposedly including an incident that happened just a block away from the mosque in which one Marine was killed and five others wounded. Again, a detail that was clearly stated in my television report. No one, especially someone like me who has lived in a war zone with you, would deny that a soldier or Marine could legitimately err on the side of caution under those circumstances. War is about killing your enemy before he kills you If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #21 May 5, 2005 Darius,it's too bad that you have only the media to rely upon for the situation in Iraq...........Most of the Iraqi's dont hate us,most of the US troops are NOT racists and most DO value life other than American..... Here, let me wring out that crying towel for you Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 *** Keep your towel we will need to clean the innocent blood we spill of off our hands. You know you are right I do get sad when I hear innocent people get murdered/killed. I care more about human life then I do about gas prices. I also value human life regardless of color, or religion. So this solder who according to the article posted on this thread killed 3 other unarmed people and executed an injured man is a good representation of all are solders? I fucking hope not. I refuse to believe that. And if he is not a good representation of our solders and he did make a mistake or just didn’t give a fuck because the people he shot aren’t US citizens shouldn’t he be punished? Is that so hard to understand? You can’t have it bought ways. Just FYI I don’t believe a word on TV. If I did I would be one of the many mislead supporting this war. Thank God I am not. I sleep well at nights how about you?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #22 May 5, 2005 QuoteSo Ron, are you suggesting that had this been the other way around, and someone shot our "good guys" in an identical situation, you would feel the same? Actually yes. I would not be happy, but in a combat situation with an enemy known for boobie trapping bodies, and suicide detonations of IED's when the shooter tries to offer aid or capture the wounded....I'd understand it. In this case the enemy is quite well known for suicide bombs and they even offer to "surrender" then open fire. If our troops used the same tactics and the roles were revesed....I would not be up in arms about it.. QuoteOf course not. so much for you knowing me huh? QuoteI'm simply saying that it should be no suprise that judges from the US excuse a US soldier, when there is room to spin the deed. Right but given the choice of listening to the US judges, or the terrorists....I'll go with the US judges. You it seems would rather just assume that the US and its troops are bad and evil. Ever served in the Military? Even been in a situation where you were going to be shot at? If not, don't pretend to know. You are right about one thing...no level of punishment would have been enough anyway. you and your type will demand more. The terrorists will not care about this trooper, or Englands jail sentance. They will just strap exposives on and kill an American...Even if they the person they kidnap and kill was a Red Cross aid worker. We at least kill the ones that were just trying to kill us."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #23 May 5, 2005 QuoteThis didn't raise any flags oh wait they were unarmed brown people i forgot that makes it ok in some eyes No, what made it ok was they were just shooting from inside a mosque...Ya know trying to kill people from a house of worship....Ya know that according to the Geneva that you can't use a house of worship as a base for combat....Oh, and you are not allowed to boobie trap bodies...Both of these are things that the terrorists do. So if they will break one rule, and they have in the past broken another....Chances are they will continue. It was a good shoot."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #24 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. There, fixed it for ya. Easy to understand. Unarmed against armed. A fine and fair point of view seen from the armed party.. Oh wait, I forgot: There were 3 of unarmed insurgents? Now, that makes sense ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #25 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuote I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: Quote I'm also well aware from many years as a war reporter that there have been times, especially in this conflict, when dead and wounded insurgents have been booby-trapped, even supposedly including an incident that happened just a block away from the mosque in which one Marine was killed and five others wounded. Again, a detail that was clearly stated in my television report. No one, especially someone like me who has lived in a war zone with you, would deny that a soldier or Marine could legitimately err on the side of caution under those circumstances. War is about killing your enemy before he kills you If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. We make decisions in life. The decisions we make have consequences. When we make mistakes we should pay for them not get a pat on the back. The fact that a block away there was a booby-trap doesn’t give you the license to kill UNARMED or injured people when you feel like it. QuoteI don't see raising against an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? Here I fixed it for you. I am sure my misspelling of one word had made it impossible for you to understand so I hope that helps.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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justinb138 0 #20 May 5, 2005 Quote I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: Quote I'm also well aware from many years as a war reporter that there have been times, especially in this conflict, when dead and wounded insurgents have been booby-trapped, even supposedly including an incident that happened just a block away from the mosque in which one Marine was killed and five others wounded. Again, a detail that was clearly stated in my television report. No one, especially someone like me who has lived in a war zone with you, would deny that a soldier or Marine could legitimately err on the side of caution under those circumstances. War is about killing your enemy before he kills you If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #21 May 5, 2005 Darius,it's too bad that you have only the media to rely upon for the situation in Iraq...........Most of the Iraqi's dont hate us,most of the US troops are NOT racists and most DO value life other than American..... Here, let me wring out that crying towel for you Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 *** Keep your towel we will need to clean the innocent blood we spill of off our hands. You know you are right I do get sad when I hear innocent people get murdered/killed. I care more about human life then I do about gas prices. I also value human life regardless of color, or religion. So this solder who according to the article posted on this thread killed 3 other unarmed people and executed an injured man is a good representation of all are solders? I fucking hope not. I refuse to believe that. And if he is not a good representation of our solders and he did make a mistake or just didn’t give a fuck because the people he shot aren’t US citizens shouldn’t he be punished? Is that so hard to understand? You can’t have it bought ways. Just FYI I don’t believe a word on TV. If I did I would be one of the many mislead supporting this war. Thank God I am not. I sleep well at nights how about you?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #22 May 5, 2005 QuoteSo Ron, are you suggesting that had this been the other way around, and someone shot our "good guys" in an identical situation, you would feel the same? Actually yes. I would not be happy, but in a combat situation with an enemy known for boobie trapping bodies, and suicide detonations of IED's when the shooter tries to offer aid or capture the wounded....I'd understand it. In this case the enemy is quite well known for suicide bombs and they even offer to "surrender" then open fire. If our troops used the same tactics and the roles were revesed....I would not be up in arms about it.. QuoteOf course not. so much for you knowing me huh? QuoteI'm simply saying that it should be no suprise that judges from the US excuse a US soldier, when there is room to spin the deed. Right but given the choice of listening to the US judges, or the terrorists....I'll go with the US judges. You it seems would rather just assume that the US and its troops are bad and evil. Ever served in the Military? Even been in a situation where you were going to be shot at? If not, don't pretend to know. You are right about one thing...no level of punishment would have been enough anyway. you and your type will demand more. The terrorists will not care about this trooper, or Englands jail sentance. They will just strap exposives on and kill an American...Even if they the person they kidnap and kill was a Red Cross aid worker. We at least kill the ones that were just trying to kill us."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #23 May 5, 2005 QuoteThis didn't raise any flags oh wait they were unarmed brown people i forgot that makes it ok in some eyes No, what made it ok was they were just shooting from inside a mosque...Ya know trying to kill people from a house of worship....Ya know that according to the Geneva that you can't use a house of worship as a base for combat....Oh, and you are not allowed to boobie trap bodies...Both of these are things that the terrorists do. So if they will break one rule, and they have in the past broken another....Chances are they will continue. It was a good shoot."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteMilitary officials now report that the same corporal shot three of the unarmed insurgents inside the mosque. There, fixed it for ya. Easy to understand. Unarmed against armed. A fine and fair point of view seen from the armed party.. Oh wait, I forgot: There were 3 of unarmed insurgents? Now, that makes sense ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #25 May 5, 2005 QuoteQuote I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: Quote I'm also well aware from many years as a war reporter that there have been times, especially in this conflict, when dead and wounded insurgents have been booby-trapped, even supposedly including an incident that happened just a block away from the mosque in which one Marine was killed and five others wounded. Again, a detail that was clearly stated in my television report. No one, especially someone like me who has lived in a war zone with you, would deny that a soldier or Marine could legitimately err on the side of caution under those circumstances. War is about killing your enemy before he kills you If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. We make decisions in life. The decisions we make have consequences. When we make mistakes we should pay for them not get a pat on the back. The fact that a block away there was a booby-trap doesn’t give you the license to kill UNARMED or injured people when you feel like it. QuoteI don't see raising against an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? Here I fixed it for you. I am sure my misspelling of one word had made it impossible for you to understand so I hope that helps.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
