Tonto 1 #26 April 29, 2004 QuoteSo I guess Afghanistan happened in 20th century Afganistan was a UN endorsed Coalition force, not a US/UK misadventure. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #27 April 29, 2004 Please make up your mind would you?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #28 April 29, 2004 ? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #29 April 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe 21st century US expantion is nowhere where there is no oil, and backpedals out of conflict area's (Like North Korea) that have WMD's and no oil. Well, so much for US expansion. 2 countries in this century, Afghanistan and Iraq. One has oil one does not. Is this clear 4 u tonto?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scratch 0 #30 April 29, 2004 Quote2 countries in this century, Afghanistan and Iraq. One has oil one does not. One helped knock down some New York real estate. One did not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #31 April 29, 2004 True, and that is the reason when idiots such as the one deemed "untouchable" by most of your compatriots make statments that US is not to defend itself, you start crying foul, and how can we dare!. It work both ways you know?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meatmissile 0 #32 April 29, 2004 QuoteHave you heard of apartheid? Ten years has made me tired of hearing of it. Hell, can we just get on with our lives? -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #33 April 29, 2004 Quote Well, so much for US expansion. 2 countries in this century, Afghanistan and Iraq. One has oil one does not. Is this clear 4 u tonto? Crystal. Afganistan was not about expansion. It was about going after a government that had sheltered the man responsible for 9-11. It had the backing of the UN and the entire free world. Iraq is about expansion. It was based on the "WMD / Saddam was involved in 9-11" lie. It had no backing from the UN or most of the free world. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scratch 0 #34 April 29, 2004 We are all very fond of our Grandad and the older he gets the more protective we become. South Africans are keenly aware of the fact that but for a tiny group of of powerful yet peaceful individuals this place would have decended into civil war. The leaders led and the nation sucked it up and put away the bullshit. I suppose what Tonto is trying to point out is that there IS another way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #35 April 29, 2004 The quote was from the NY TImes.... Ok, I will reverse this a little. What he said was idiotic!!!!! What the pope said about the war was IDIOTIC as well!!! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #36 April 29, 2004 Its not so Black and White (Forgive the pun) There were plenty of Black Policemen using Sambocks and plenty of collusion. And plenty of White South Africans fighting in various ways against Aparthied.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #37 April 29, 2004 You have the right to call them idiots. And btw thrown a couple for The queen while you are it"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,181 #38 April 29, 2004 He absolutely does have that right. And we have the right to consider the source. Most of the time, when one is the only person holding a viewpoint, it's not as noble to go down defending it as it is to consider the viewpoint in the light of new evidence. Rejecting the possibility that anything might change one's mind, or calling people who disagree with one idiots or traitors is the mark of a small-minded bigot. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #39 April 29, 2004 QuoteRejecting the possibility that anything might change one's mind, or calling people who disagree with one idiots or traitors is the mark of a small-minded bigot. Wendy W. Correct, but you should also be open to consider these muslim extremist as an enemy, as a big portion of the US population believes. And that is the point he was making, hell, some people can call GWB Criminal and murderer, why not have someone the right to call Mandela an idiot? On the other hand, Tonto, implies that this is all a US expansionist imperialist movement, according to a prior post, He gets corrected, but still finds a way to fit things to his own perspective without recognition to the fact that based on recent history of US occupying enemy territory was not conductive of the same practices European countries practiced on its colonies until not long ago. I.e: Philippines, Germany, Japan, South Korea. And not all of these conflicts were Oil oriented. His was not a message of how things can be done differently."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites damion75 0 #40 April 30, 2004 QuoteYou have the right to call them idiots. And btw thrown a couple for The queen while you are it Now I think you are simply trying to be offensive. The Queen does not figure in this conversation and has nothing to do with the topic. Keep it clean.*************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 53 #41 April 30, 2004 QuoteHe absolutely does have that right. And we have the right to consider the source. Most of the time, when one is the only person holding a viewpoint, it's not as noble to go down defending it as it is to consider the viewpoint in the light of new evidence. Rejecting the possibility that anything might change one's mind, or calling people who disagree with one idiots or traitors is the mark of a small-minded bigot. Wendy W. Amen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #42 April 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou have the right to call them idiots. And btw thrown a couple for The queen while you are it Now I think you are simply trying to be offensive. The Queen does not figure in this conversation and has nothing to do with the topic. Keep it clean. Frank, I don't understand why you ask to stay on topic, when Erroll makes a coment of Drunk driving charges for GWB, to a post from Kallend, in which the latter states that Mandela was a freedom fighter, then goes tonto, and pretends to false accuse the US of imperialism in the 21 first century, while off topic. Hey, if everyone is bashing everyone, lets have the queen have a share of the fun, wouldn't you agree? It is not fun without our allies..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #43 April 30, 2004 "We are all very fond of our Grandad and the older he gets the more protective we become. " For what its worth, Scratch, he's pretty well respected here too. Here's a list of streets named after him from streetmap.co.uk. Mandela Avenue, Brackla, Bridgend, Mid Glamorgan, CF31 Mandela Avenue, Falkirk, FK2 Mandela Close, London, NW10 Mandela Close, Norwich, NR3 Mandela Close, Stanley, County Durham, DH9 Mandela Close, Sunderland, SR1 Mandela Court, Reading, RG1 Mandela Street, London, NW1 Mandela Street, London, SW9 Mandela Way, Gateshead, Tyne And Wear, NE11 Mandela Way, London, SE1 Mandela Way, Southampton, SO15 Mandela Way, Stoke-On-Trent, ST3 Nelson Mandela Close, London, N_10 Nelson Mandela Place, Glasgow, G_2 Nelson Mandela Road, London, SE3 Nelson Mandela Walk, Sheffield, S_2 I don't know how many buildings are named after him, there are lots though. Don't waste your time looking for streets named after George Bush....... 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Scratch 0 #30 April 29, 2004 Quote2 countries in this century, Afghanistan and Iraq. One has oil one does not. One helped knock down some New York real estate. One did not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #31 April 29, 2004 True, and that is the reason when idiots such as the one deemed "untouchable" by most of your compatriots make statments that US is not to defend itself, you start crying foul, and how can we dare!. It work both ways you know?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #32 April 29, 2004 QuoteHave you heard of apartheid? Ten years has made me tired of hearing of it. Hell, can we just get on with our lives? -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #33 April 29, 2004 Quote Well, so much for US expansion. 2 countries in this century, Afghanistan and Iraq. One has oil one does not. Is this clear 4 u tonto? Crystal. Afganistan was not about expansion. It was about going after a government that had sheltered the man responsible for 9-11. It had the backing of the UN and the entire free world. Iraq is about expansion. It was based on the "WMD / Saddam was involved in 9-11" lie. It had no backing from the UN or most of the free world. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #34 April 29, 2004 We are all very fond of our Grandad and the older he gets the more protective we become. South Africans are keenly aware of the fact that but for a tiny group of of powerful yet peaceful individuals this place would have decended into civil war. The leaders led and the nation sucked it up and put away the bullshit. I suppose what Tonto is trying to point out is that there IS another way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #35 April 29, 2004 The quote was from the NY TImes.... Ok, I will reverse this a little. What he said was idiotic!!!!! What the pope said about the war was IDIOTIC as well!!! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 April 29, 2004 Its not so Black and White (Forgive the pun) There were plenty of Black Policemen using Sambocks and plenty of collusion. And plenty of White South Africans fighting in various ways against Aparthied.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #37 April 29, 2004 You have the right to call them idiots. And btw thrown a couple for The queen while you are it"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,181 #38 April 29, 2004 He absolutely does have that right. And we have the right to consider the source. Most of the time, when one is the only person holding a viewpoint, it's not as noble to go down defending it as it is to consider the viewpoint in the light of new evidence. Rejecting the possibility that anything might change one's mind, or calling people who disagree with one idiots or traitors is the mark of a small-minded bigot. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #39 April 29, 2004 QuoteRejecting the possibility that anything might change one's mind, or calling people who disagree with one idiots or traitors is the mark of a small-minded bigot. Wendy W. Correct, but you should also be open to consider these muslim extremist as an enemy, as a big portion of the US population believes. And that is the point he was making, hell, some people can call GWB Criminal and murderer, why not have someone the right to call Mandela an idiot? On the other hand, Tonto, implies that this is all a US expansionist imperialist movement, according to a prior post, He gets corrected, but still finds a way to fit things to his own perspective without recognition to the fact that based on recent history of US occupying enemy territory was not conductive of the same practices European countries practiced on its colonies until not long ago. I.e: Philippines, Germany, Japan, South Korea. And not all of these conflicts were Oil oriented. His was not a message of how things can be done differently."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #40 April 30, 2004 QuoteYou have the right to call them idiots. And btw thrown a couple for The queen while you are it Now I think you are simply trying to be offensive. The Queen does not figure in this conversation and has nothing to do with the topic. Keep it clean.*************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 53 #41 April 30, 2004 QuoteHe absolutely does have that right. And we have the right to consider the source. Most of the time, when one is the only person holding a viewpoint, it's not as noble to go down defending it as it is to consider the viewpoint in the light of new evidence. Rejecting the possibility that anything might change one's mind, or calling people who disagree with one idiots or traitors is the mark of a small-minded bigot. Wendy W. Amen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #42 April 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou have the right to call them idiots. And btw thrown a couple for The queen while you are it Now I think you are simply trying to be offensive. The Queen does not figure in this conversation and has nothing to do with the topic. Keep it clean. Frank, I don't understand why you ask to stay on topic, when Erroll makes a coment of Drunk driving charges for GWB, to a post from Kallend, in which the latter states that Mandela was a freedom fighter, then goes tonto, and pretends to false accuse the US of imperialism in the 21 first century, while off topic. Hey, if everyone is bashing everyone, lets have the queen have a share of the fun, wouldn't you agree? It is not fun without our allies..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #43 April 30, 2004 "We are all very fond of our Grandad and the older he gets the more protective we become. " For what its worth, Scratch, he's pretty well respected here too. Here's a list of streets named after him from streetmap.co.uk. Mandela Avenue, Brackla, Bridgend, Mid Glamorgan, CF31 Mandela Avenue, Falkirk, FK2 Mandela Close, London, NW10 Mandela Close, Norwich, NR3 Mandela Close, Stanley, County Durham, DH9 Mandela Close, Sunderland, SR1 Mandela Court, Reading, RG1 Mandela Street, London, NW1 Mandela Street, London, SW9 Mandela Way, Gateshead, Tyne And Wear, NE11 Mandela Way, London, SE1 Mandela Way, Southampton, SO15 Mandela Way, Stoke-On-Trent, ST3 Nelson Mandela Close, London, N_10 Nelson Mandela Place, Glasgow, G_2 Nelson Mandela Road, London, SE3 Nelson Mandela Walk, Sheffield, S_2 I don't know how many buildings are named after him, there are lots though. Don't waste your time looking for streets named after George Bush....... "The query returned no matches, please try again."-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
