Kennedy 0 #26 April 18, 2004 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assassinate Solves the dispute rather quickly. edit: I guess it doesn't solve it if you don't trust a dictionary for word definitions.... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #27 April 18, 2004 QuoteAnd when a high US office holder is targeted by enemy state and offed, is that a targeted assassination or murder? You just defined assassination. n.- a person of significant importance is murdered for political reasons. see also- terrorism, homicide.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #28 April 18, 2004 It was actually this bit that I wanted to draw attention to, rather than the whole revenge thing. Quote"The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in a statement. If you ever wonder why hamas and other terrorist organizations have so much support just look at the conduct of the occupying Israeli forces. If you ever wonder why the US is so hated in the middle east, look at which countries the US supports.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cudlo 0 #29 April 18, 2004 QuoteIt was actually this bit that I wanted to draw attention to, rather than the whole revenge thing. Quote"The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called 'targeted assassinations' of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in a statement. If you ever wonder why hamas and other terrorist organizations have so much support just look at the conduct of the occupying Israeli forces. If you ever wonder why the US is so hated in the middle east, look at which countries the US supports. LOL. How many 1st world countries do you think havn't had someone killed for political reasons? The Israelis are just upfront about it. And yes, middle eastern countries have issue with us for supporting Israel. But, are most of those middle eastern countries people you'd actually want to be friends with? Talk about making a deal with the devil._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #30 April 18, 2004 QuoteLOL. How many 1st world countries do you think havn't had someone killed for political reasons? The Israelis are just upfront about it. How many 1st world countries maintain such a brutal occupation of what could be seen as an invaded country? QuoteBut, are most of those middle eastern countries people you'd actually want to be friends with? Talk about making a deal with the devil Would you like to live in Saudi Arabia? Not exactly a good example of the western ideal and yet valued companions.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cudlo 0 #31 April 18, 2004 QuoteHow many 1st world countries maintain such a brutal occupation of what could be seen as an invaded country? Well the British government which you qouted kind of occupies Northern Ireland... QuoteWould you like to live in Saudi Arabia? Not exactly a good example of the western ideal and yet valued companions. Valued companions? Hardly. Quite literally the only reason the U.S. and Saudi Arabia act remotely friendly with eachother is because we need their oil, and they like our money just fine. Aside from that, Saudis don't like us for the same reasons the others don't. But, I couldn't give a shit what any country following anything resembling Islamic Law thinks about us._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #32 April 18, 2004 Arent those Brits amazing. Jack Straw says they shouldnt target this killer, and it was the British Government who assassinated Rudolph Hess when he was the last prisoner in Spandau. Brit agents went in and beat him, finally tying a lamp cord around his neck....till the old man was dead. Maybe they thought everyone forgot about that, and have now become so self righteous. Im sure the SAS has targeted many individuals that we never heard about. Thats the game they are in...the killing game. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #33 April 18, 2004 QuoteWell the British government which you qouted kind of occupies Northern Ireland... Northern Ireland was kept under British control because of the conflicts between Protestant and Catholic communities. Ask someone living in Northern Ireland whether they want to be part of Eire or the UK and the answer you get depends pretty much on which denomination they are. How many Palestinians want to be controlled by Israel? Quote Quite literally the only reason the U.S. and Saudi Arabia act remotely friendly with eachother is because we need their oil, and they like our money just fine. Yep, like you said, deal with the devil. So you would be willing to deal with other middle eastern countries then?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cudlo 0 #34 April 18, 2004 QuoteYep, like you said, deal with the devil. So you would be willing to deal with other middle eastern countries then? No, I'd rather not deal with any of them. The only positive side effect is that because of our "oil relations" with Saudi, they reign themselves in a little bit and act slightly more civilized than the countries around them._________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #35 April 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell the British government which you qouted kind of occupies Northern Ireland... Northern Ireland was kept under British control because of the conflicts between Protestant and Catholic communities. Ask someone living in Northern Ireland whether they want to be part of Eire or the UK and the answer you get depends pretty much on which denomination they are. How many Palestinians want to be controlled by Israel? There are Palestinians who are quite happy living within the borders of Israel and would choose to stay there even in the event that a Palestinian state is formed in the territories. So your point there is kind of moot. Israel is a democracy and has a pretty damn good economy at times so even Palestinians in the territories want to come over for work... Then again, we are talking about targeted killings, not mass murder of innocent women and children at buses, bars, malls etc... so I see it kind of hard as to how you can seemingly show sympathy for hamas. Gimme a break, if the Palestinians want peace and a state of their own they need to rise up against their own militant factions. Israel would then be forced to follow a road toward peace or face the ire of the entire international community. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 April 18, 2004 Can you prove it Bill? I agree he was murdered, I have no doubt about that, but can you prove it was the Brits?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #37 April 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt certainly is a question wheather I agree or not, and I do not agree. I do not give a f..k about Webster. Hey, if you feel better about going around making up your own definitions, have at it. Perhaps you could publish your own dictionary so we would understand what you are talking about. Naw... I'll stick with Websters. Dude, that is the funniest retort I have read in a while . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #38 April 18, 2004 QuoteRantisi took over when the founder of Hamas was assassinated a month ago. If Israel keeps it up, no one will want the job. The retirement package isnt very good. Just heard on the news... Hamas has already named a new leader, but (get this!) they are keeping his name secret... for security reasons. Hah! I guess after this second leader assassination, they're starting to learn a few lessons. It's good that these terrorist leaders live in fear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #39 April 18, 2004 QuoteIt certainly is a question wheather I agree or not, and I do not agree. I do not give a f..k about Webster. You don't have to use Websters for your definitions, but it might be helpful to you on your spelling. The word is spelled "whether". Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #40 April 18, 2004 Well, I wasnt there, but there was a documentary that made the claim. It showed an amazing amount of "evidence", and it sounded quite credible. They even said it was TWO brits who carried the assassination out. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #41 April 18, 2004 QuoteCan you prove it Bill? I agree he was murdered, I have no doubt about that, but can you prove it was the Brits? Can he say 'conspiracy theory'?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #42 April 18, 2004 QuoteThen again, we are talking about targeted killings, not mass murder of innocent women and children at buses, bars, malls etc... so I see it kind of hard as to how you can seemingly show sympathy for hamas Give me numbers, Israeli dead versus Palestinian dead over the last 50 years.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lifewithoutanet 0 #43 April 19, 2004 QuoteHow many 1st world countries maintain such a brutal occupation of what could be seen as an invaded country? Brutal occupation? I'm sorry...are you referring to the US' invasion of Iraq? Are we talking about the same war? There are as many opinions as the day is long about whether or not we should have invaded, why we did, etc. I won't debate that with you, but still..."brutal occupation"? We're battling monsters; murderers; cold-blooded killers that are inciting violence and retribution against their own people for their mere cooperation with occupying US, UK and coalition forces. They seek to disrupt peaceful attempts at forming a democratic government by attacking their own people. That is pure terrorism. Plain and simple. I know no better definition. Will terrorism work? It could. At times it seems like it already is. The Iraqi people have known only terror for decades under Saddam and thus, those that would disrupt the attempts at peace with violence against their own people are playing the game as effectively as they know how. Brutal? Yes, but the brutality comes not from the occupying forces, as you seem to say. In this war, this occupation, our forces conduct themselves with defined rules of engagement. They do not fire until fired upon. In their hunt for those responsible for attacks on civilians, they do all in their power to not harm the innocent. A targeted strike--be it a bullet or a hellfire missile--is a far cry different from strapping on a bomb or driving a bomb-laden car into a mass of civilians or relief workers, whether or not soldiers are present. What we could do to them is a thousand times worse than what they are doing to us, but we do not. I support your right to believe that we should not be there, but I respectfully ask that you choose your terms more accurately. -C. Edit: After re-reading the thread, it's more likely that your "brutal occupation" comments were directed at Isreali occupation forces. If this is the case, my point still stands...it's a targeted killing of a known militant, not a cafe or a mall full of civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #44 April 19, 2004 QuoteWell, I wasnt there, but there was a documentary that made the claim. It showed an amazing amount of "evidence", and it sounded quite credible. They even said it was TWO brits who carried the assassination out. Bill Cole D-41 I also saw a documentary that claimed NASA never landed on the moon. An amazing amount of "evidence" and it sounded quite credible....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #45 April 19, 2004 QuoteThen again, we are talking about targeted killings, not mass murder of innocent women and children at buses, bars, malls etc... so I see it kind of hard as to how you can seemingly show sympathy for hamas. Gimme a break, if the Palestinians want peace and a state of their own they need to rise up against their own militant factions. Israel would then be forced to follow a road toward peace or face the ire of the entire international community. What I think the critics of the killing believe is that it will not curtail but strengthen Hamas and the radicals, which again will not help achieve peace. This is a real dilemma. On the one hand most people have no problem to see these propagators of terror killed – the same way you would like OBL killed. On the other hand, it seems clear that the action will strengthens Hamas standing within the Palestinian community and help them recruit. We need less not more radicals in the region.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #46 April 19, 2004 QuoteAfter re-reading the thread, it's more likely that your "brutal occupation" comments were directed at Isreali occupation forces. If this is the case, my point still stands...it's a targeted killing of a known militant, not a cafe or a mall full of civilians. Yes, I am talking about Israel. And yes THIS was a targeted killing. However look at the recent history of the Palestinian conflict. There have been other 'targeted' killings where the target has been in the middle of a crowded market, numerous tank sorties inside refugee camps and attacks on Yasser Arafats political headquarters coming at the same time as demands for him to increase his control over the people of Palestine. As for Iraq I do agree with the toppling of Saddam Husseins leadership, but I would very much like to be told why my gov't felt it was neccesary at this time.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #47 April 19, 2004 Quote thoughtless murderer....even took his son with him "And God so loved the world that he gave his only son..." Amazing what a little perspective can do... Is God a thoughtless murderer? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #48 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuote thoughtless murderer....even took his son with him "And God so loved the world that he gave his only son..." Amazing what a little perspective can do... Is God a thoughtless murderer? of course, unless your finally assigning blame to the humans who actually commit crimes...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #49 April 19, 2004 Yes, Tonto, Its too bad you dont understand the meaning of the perspective you talk about. Christ said "I lay down my life" "I lay down my life, that I may take it again" "NO MAN taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself "( His own choosing) "I have the power to lay it down, and I have the power to take it again."( John 10:15-18) It was God's decision to have His Son to die to pay for the sins of mankind, and Jesus Christ (who is also God) willingling GAVE His life for that purpose. The only thing you have stated in your post that is correct is "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son"....even for people like you, Tonto. Its too bad you don't appreciate this wonderful gift. To compare God to a Palestinian murderer of innocent women and children shows a complete lack of understanding. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,319 #50 April 19, 2004 QuoteThat would be assassination. The difference between assassination and murder is assassination is done for political reasons. Actually it could be both. Since assassination is a form of murder, it is both a murder and an assassination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
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