JDBoston 0 #51 April 22, 2002 Let me see if I can try to distill some of the debate here:I think there's nothing wrong with leaders allowing their personal beliefs, religious or otherwise, to influence the decisions they make in their capacity as leaders. As human beings, they cannot help but do this.Where I draw the line is when they refer to an external, fixed body of belief as their guide (a specific religion or religious work) in the decisions they make as a leader. That does two things: 1) it gives them a means of deflecting blame & criticism and stifling debate (even if they choose not to use it in this way, this is what it can evolve into), and 2) it allows them to put the force of this external, recognized belief system behind any morally questionable actions they end up taking, because these external belief systems can usually be twisted around and interpreted to serve all kinds of different ends.Hopefully that contributes something to the whole debate. In the meantime, I would also be interested in further information on Faith Hill, such as links to dirty photos on the Net.Thanks,Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #52 April 22, 2002 BB...I haven't seen her house but I bet it's nice.JD...there hasn't been any naked pics that I know about. If you find some that are not fake please put it on here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #53 April 22, 2002 Come on man, who cares if it's fake as long as it's believable. That's one area where I will let people blur the line between fact and reality. If I can get an appealing mental picture of her, I don't much care whether it's accurate.Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #54 April 22, 2002 CALLING AGGIE DAVE!!!!!! COME IN DAVE!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #55 April 22, 2002 >I wonder if you still agree with that stement if the preson you are talking about >believes that all women should cover themselves at all times. Or actually pass laws requiring them to cover their breasts, even though much of the world has no problems with bare chests on either sex."That's completely different!" Really? Why?>Or if that same person believes that his belief can be the only faith and all>other "infidells" need to be exterminated.Or claims that, say, Iraq is a hotbed of terrorism, and must be invaded, and the bad guys exterminated.The bottom line is that we have our own morals, laws and social customs. Many of them derive from our various religions. We should endeavor to try to _not_ impose them on other people. Just because French beaches are topless doesn't mean all of ours have to be, and just because we require women to cover their breasts but not their faces doesn't mean that Arab countries have to do the same.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #56 April 22, 2002 Quotebecause we require women to cover their breasts but not their faces doesn't mean that Arab countries have to do the same.I agree with you Bill. I also believe that if we did not have laws about covering our bodies then we would have seen the beautiful Faith Hill naked by now. Boobies and bush! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #57 April 23, 2002 QuoteAlright THAT'S IT! I am calling in some favors and having Quade and Billv "escorted" to the think tank where they shall remain until such time as they stop giving me headaches.Humph!I confuckingcur.....Cheers....vasbytmarc"I have no fear of falling, I just hate hitting the ground"-The Badlees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #58 April 23, 2002 ok 1. the point of western government is to do one thing, govern and in doing so govern in the best way for its country and thus its people.you add religion to the equation or even worse a specific religion or group of then you are cutting out alot of people a western government to do its job properly should operate with no religious nor racial nor cultural bias at or if bush was to run the country with a bias to wealthy whites there would be a huge outcry its they same with religion.you dont need religion to make "moral" desicions more 99% of america think murder is wrong (and some of those that dont are christians) they come from all types of groupsa leader cant lead for the greater good of a country if they are ruling for the greater good of a fewOpinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #59 April 23, 2002 Quoteyou dont need religion to make "moral" desicions more 99% of america think murder is wrong (and some of those that dont are christians) they come from all types of groupsYou don't need religion to make decisions whether or not Faith Hill is a hottie and 99% of dz.commers want to see her naked. There is nothing wrong with ones birthday suit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #60 April 23, 2002 You don't need religion to make decisions whether or not Faith Hill is a hottie and 99% of dz.commers want to see her naked. There is nothing wrong with ones birthday suit!i dont agree i think it more like 99.9% Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one, the only one that does you any good is yours and all that comes out is shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 3 #61 April 23, 2002 Quote The name of the thread is More on BUSH and FaithI came in late and didn't read the whole thread......is Quade implying that that moron Bush is having an affair with Faith Hill ??Don"Well, then....wot if 'e gripped it by the husk...." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #62 April 23, 2002 This thread is about Faith Hills bush, or lack there of. See, a girl like Faith and our girl PLF Expert has beautiful blond hair and a beautiful skin tone. Therefore, why would their carpet not match the drapes? That is why they have the well manicured wax job on a weekly basis that leaves things smooth and shiny and there is not mismatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #63 April 23, 2002 Don't forget about the hard-wood floors!(like I didnt get it the first time?)BwahhhhhhIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #64 April 23, 2002 I don't think this is a bad thing really. As long as he isn't getting blow jobs in the oral-office, and then lying his ass off about it. I think it's kinda nice we have a leader who, at least on the outside, appears to try to be a good man.I really believe that if everyone followed the teachings of the (insert religious manual here) the world would be a better place. I'm not talking about the people who take them to extremes, the fanatics - almost every religion basically says "Worship god X, and be good to your fellow man"Like was said before, he's not a soulless, personality-less robot. I see no problem with him expressing his beliefs.In some cases, I could see it being a problem. But that's why we have this nifty system of checks and balances - no one man (and his religious beliefs) can rule the country.... I forget how the rest of it goes, but you're mother's a whore!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #65 April 23, 2002 Quote. . . that moron Bush is . . .Damn, you caught me in one of my Neuro-Linguistic Programming tricks.I actually do admit to that particular bit about "More on Bush".However, I did not ever intend on getting Faith Hill thoughts across.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #66 April 23, 2002 OK, now if Pres. Bush were having an affair with Faith Hill, that would make him a much smarter man than Pres. Clinton.Faith Hill vs. Monica Lewinsky.....I'd go with Faith Hill.Now Chromeboy....Just Breathe!Am I wrong to want her to sit on my face?Such an interesting monster with such an interesting hairdo.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #67 April 23, 2002 Quote that moron Bush Please tell me you're not trying to imply that having faith makes one a moron. James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,147 #68 April 23, 2002 QuoteI was referring to the President of the United States, not a third world extremist who believes all infidels should be exterminated.And I was trying to say that possibly to some people the President of the United States might be an extremist and the leader of a very very dominating power, hellbent on ensuring that the whole world thinks like them.That maybe sometimes we have to step back, really think about things and try not to make the same mistakes too many times. Try to make sure that we do not do what we accuse other people of doing. Mmmmmm, I think there is something like that in the Bible. Do not onto others etc etc. I wonder how that works with a really religious, christian person (Busch) and, say the death penalty for murder.......(Texas)In the end an extremist is only an extremist in the mind of those who strongly disagree with him. I am fairly sure that Osama's followers do not see him as an extremist.SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #69 April 23, 2002 QuoteDo not onto others etc etc. I wonder how that works with a really religious, christian person (Busch) and, say the death penalty for murder.......(Texas) Actually, it is 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'. It works well for the death penalty for murder. Simply put, don't murder someone else unless you would have them murder you. In this case, the murdered individual can't reciprocate so the state stands in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #70 April 23, 2002 An then add the viewpoint, if they do it once, they'll do it again - since the first time is always the hardest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
james1010 0 #71 April 23, 2002 Quote In the end an extremist is only an extremist in the mind of those who strongly disagree with him. That statement almost makes sense, but not quite. An extremist is still an extremist whether you agree with him or not. You're still trying to compare apples to oranges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,147 #72 April 23, 2002 QuoteIt works well for the death penalty for murder.But then, what happened with the, Thou shalt not kill? Or does that only count when it is convenient? Or if one person does it, then you can do it as well?SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #73 April 23, 2002 QuoteBut then, what happened with the, Thou shalt not kill? This refers to an individual not a state. States are authorized by God to carry out justice and defend their interests even if it involves taking the life of another individual. It should never be done lightly. This is interpreted differently by different people though. If you are that interested in it I would suggest you pick up the Bible, read it, and form your own opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,147 #74 April 23, 2002 QuoteIf you are that interested in it I would suggest you pick up the Bible, read it, and form your own opinion.Which one though? There are a couple of them out there and they all claim to be the right one....SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #75 April 23, 2002 ahhh the Bible - the most quoted, most mis-understood book in history. Not to mention the one that's been twisted and translated the most to fit whatever needs there were at the time.... I forget how the rest of it goes, but you're mother's a whore!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
