Kramer 0 #1 November 17, 2003 Who's seen it, and who thinks it's one of the best movies out there? Watching this really makes you change the way you view our country... -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 November 17, 2003 You can do a search and get all sorts of opinions on this piece of fiction. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #3 November 17, 2003 Best movie I have ever seen, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Canadian. And no, my door isn't locked right now. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #4 November 17, 2003 QuoteYou can do a search and get all sorts of opinions on this piece of fiction. Of course I could. But where's the fun in that? When you're in a forum with 29283 threads, there's a thread on just about everything. For all the times where I do search old threads and read that stuff, let me have one new thread of my own...thanks. _________ Canuck- How in the hell are you people so nice up there? Honestly...do you really leave your door open 24/7? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #5 November 17, 2003 It would have been better had it not been incorrectly classified as a documentary. Documentaries don't misrepresent facts or lie outright. Then again, such is Michael Moore's trademark. Moore owes a lot of apologies for that non-documentary.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #6 November 17, 2003 Name a few misrepresented facts and lies. I'm not arguing here, I really don't know. I just watched it today, so I haven't had the chance to dig into it too much. (I'm a Republican...so you don't have to give me the agenda). -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #7 November 17, 2003 QuoteIt would have been better had it not been incorrectly classified as a documentary. Documentaries don't misrepresent facts or lie outright. Then again, such is Michael Moore's trademark. Moore owes a lot of apologies for that non-documentary. [Spanky Voice] . . .And How!!![/spanky Voice] It all depends on if you Want to believe what he presents as fact. If you view the movie with a point of view that even resembles reality, the truth is just not there.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 November 17, 2003 A couple to start off with - Lockheed Martin doesn't make missiles for DoD at that plant, though it does ship rockets out of there at night to avoid disrupting traffic during the day. You also can't get a gun at that bank merely by opening a savings account. There are others - those are just the first two that pop into my head.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #9 November 17, 2003 Good points I'd say... Your acusations towards the movie have made me do a bit of searching. I've found a site that backs up your side pretty well. I still think it's a wonderful movie, but I'm a lot more skeptical of it's 'truths' now. Thanks man. -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAC 0 #10 November 17, 2003 Great movie. Which encourages people to question everything; even Michael Moore. I heard him speak at the UT campus last year, and he does present some astonishing things, which are well documented and backed up. He is an intelligent man, and wants you to question everything, even him and what he says. His main thing is to get out there and gather information from multiple sources and then make your decision. He allowed the audience members to come up for a question and answer session, and he welcomed alternate views and disagreements. He was the first 18 year old to become president of the school board, b/c he knew his rights as a citizen and acted upon it. Not everyone likes what he says, believes what he says, and nor should everyone do the above; but he does motivate people to get out there and seek additional information. (stepping down from my soap box) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #11 November 17, 2003 Hadn't been to that site. Interesting. Vinny the AnvilVinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harksaw 0 #12 November 17, 2003 Dumb question: Whats the difference between a missile (they don't make) and a rocket (they do make?) rocket: 2# A projectile weapon carrying a warhead that is powered and propelled by rockets. missile: An object or weapon that is fired, thrown, dropped, or otherwise projected at a target; a projectile.__________________________________________________ I started skydiving for the money and the chicks. Oh, wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #13 November 17, 2003 I define a missile as a weapon, such as a Harpoon, Tomahawk, SM2, Sea Sparrow, CALCM, Patriot, Sidewinder, Phoenix, etc. The rockets made at the plant in question are used by NASA I believe. Regardless, it's not a weapons plant as Moore describes. Telling the truth is not his forte.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #14 November 17, 2003 >Who's seen it, and who thinks it's one of the best movies out there? Was interesting. I wouldn't say it was one of the best movies out there. As others have pointed out, Moore plays fast and loose with the truth. And he goes out of his way to make political points, often at the expense of real discussion over the issues (i.e. he set up Heston to get the sound bites he wanted, not to figure out where he really stood on gun issues.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #15 November 17, 2003 It's propaganda [cough]bullshit[/cough] -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #16 November 17, 2003 I enjoy his view on things, however, after reading his books and watching this movie I have come to the conclusion that Michael Moore is merely an entertainer. He claims that he has all of these view points on why Bush sucks and this and that, but in reality all he does is write this stuff as entertainment. None the less, the movie was very entertaining. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #17 November 17, 2003 QuoteI enjoy his view on things, however, after reading his books and watching this movie I have come to the conclusion that Roger Moore is merely an entertainer. He claims that he has all of these view points on why Bush sucks and this and that, but in reality all he does is write this stuff as entertainment. None the less, the movie was very entertaining. Do you mean like James Bond or do you mean Michael Moore?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #18 November 17, 2003 QuoteQuoteI enjoy his view on things, however, after reading his books and watching this movie I have come to the conclusion that Roger Moore is merely an entertainer. He claims that he has all of these view points on why Bush sucks and this and that, but in reality all he does is write this stuff as entertainment. None the less, the movie was very entertaining. Do you mean like James Bond or do you mean Michael Moore? bahahahahaa, shows how long its been since ive read a book by him. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #19 November 17, 2003 I thought it was very interesting although I understand it has to be taken with a pinch of salt. I was most impressed with the Marylin Manson interview Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 November 18, 2003 Quote>Who's seen it, and who thinks it's one of the best movies out there? Was interesting. I wouldn't say it was one of the best movies out there. As others have pointed out, Moore plays fast and loose with the truth. And he goes out of his way to make political points, often at the expense of real discussion over the issues (i.e. he set up Heston to get the sound bites he wanted, not to figure out where he really stood on gun issues.) Or in short, he's like any political animal, but in his case also a film maker. It makes for great entertainment if you're already agree, outrageous bullshit if you're against, or compelling if you're totally ignorant on the subject. That it won an Oscar probably reflects that the voting population is in group 1. It was not a documentary in the sense that I know the word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #21 November 18, 2003 Oh I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong forum. I thought this was "Bowling for CONCUBINES".... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #22 November 18, 2003 I enjoyed it. I'm aware of the mis truths - but a lot of Americans tend to shoot each other or themselves... We have a similar culture here, but with 2 illegal weapons for every legally owned one - and a high crime rate, I guess that's to be expected. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #23 November 18, 2003 QuoteIt has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Probably the wisest comment made in this thread. -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #24 November 18, 2003 I've seen the movie not once, but several times. What Can I say - I have never seen such a disagreeable "Journalist" in my entire life. This is by no means a documentary or even "fiction", just a waste of time. My .02 Blue Skies,=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #25 November 18, 2003 >This is by no means a documentary or even "fiction", just a waste of time. And so you saw it several times? Interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
