How do you know which sins are more sinful?

[AggieDave 6]

What did I say? I'm not a Bible thumper, I just know theology, so don't preach to me.

I got fed up with the bullshit and bullshit religous people in churches and quit going long ago.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[chuteless 1]

Billvon: Yes I have, but I havent for a long time (since I was saved).

There isnt enough money in north America to get me working on a Sunday now, and that my friend, is a FACT.

Bill Cole

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WE DON'T GET OUR OWN PLANET!!!!!!! Geez, that is the one misconception I cannot stand!!!!!

Hey, I'm just relating what I learned about Mormons through her. I read the book as well, didn't agree, but from her explaination of the different "levels" of heaven, that's what I got from it.

Start yelling at people and you loose the chance to right their misconception, since they quickly stop listening.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Zenister 0]

yea i know it just annoys me everytime i hear someone talking about their 'jealous angry' god......

its completely silly...why would an omniscient omnipotent being feel either of those emotions?? Man creates the gods its culture deserves, Divinity carries on irrguardless

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>WE DON'T GET OUR OWN PLANET!!!!!!!

Geez, and all this time I thought we could just hang onto this one for a while. Do we have to move or something?

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its completely silly...why would an omniscient omnipotent being feel either of those emotions?? Man creates the gods its culture deserves, Divinity carries on irrguardless

Well, if you want to look at it from a Christian theology standpoint, God mad man in his own image, with a free will, emotions, etc, thus it would stand to reason that God has the same emotions that man does. That can be seen through the interactions of the 12 Tribes (Jewish) of the Old Testiment and God. The salvation, the punishment, the wars, etc.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Start yelling at people and you loose the chance to right their misconception, since they quickly stop listening.

I will let people believe whatever they want about Mormons in most cases, b/c they're usually ignorant and don't know what they're talking about. But the "planet" idea is just so ludicrous. It drives me insane. Sorry to yell at you. I just REALLY HATE religion bashing, in case you can't tell. And I mean ANY RELIGION BASHING. It's the most disrespectful thing you can do.

Kelly

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Do we have to move or something?

No Bill, you don't, since you're in CA, which is like its own planet...and more so once it slides off into the ocean.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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But the "planet" idea is just so ludicrous.

Like I said, through her and reading the book, that's basically what I got from it. So look at it this way, I'm not bashing, I'm just sharing what I've seen/read.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Lee03 0]

I hate to do it this way, to answer a question with questions, but in the same vein as, "which sins are more sinful,

Which weighs more, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?

Does it make you any more of a liar if you tell a "little white lie" or if you tell a "whopper"?

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But the "planet" idea is just so ludicrous.

Like I said, through her and reading the book, that's basically what I got from it. So look at it this way, I'm not bashing, I'm just sharing what I've seen/read.

I agree with Kelly on this one. Obviously the girl you dated wasn't that much of a "hard core" mormon. She probably had some jacked-up ideas that she relayed to you.

I'm so funny I crack my head open!

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its completely silly...why would an omniscient omnipotent being feel either of those emotions?? Man creates the gods its culture deserves, Divinity carries on irrguardless

Well, if you want to look at it from a Christian theology standpoint, God mad man in his own image, with a free will, emotions, etc, thus it would stand to reason that God has the same emotions that man does. That can be seen through the interactions of the 12 Tribes (Jewish) of the Old Testiment and God. The salvation, the punishment, the wars, etc.

exactly...man created God in his own image, not the other way around
so much for omniscient omnipotent then...

i dont know about you but if i believed in a God with human emotions, faults and foilbles i'd chose the greek pantheon, they would be much more entertaining at parties!

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If one reads, and pays close attention to the writings in the new testament gospels, one may draw some important observations.

If you believe that Christ was the son of God, and posessed the character of God (and I realize many here do not... not trying to argue that point) then I think it is important to note what made Christ the most consistently angry.

It was not the woman caught in adultery who was thrown at his feet to be stoned.

It was not the lost, the general sinners if you will.

It was not the misguided, stumbling, or even the purposefully disobedient.

It was the religious leaders of the day wherein Christ poured his wrath out. He lashed out at them like no one else. And in that act, we might see what God considers to be the greater of sins.

And that is - those who say they have no sin, are good, are pure, and beyond reproach, and who forcefully impose that brand of perfection on others under them. It is this act of ruling over others with the intent of elevating oneself in the name of God that Christ seemed to clearly despise the most.

That is important for all of us that consider themselves Christians to remember. We must not say that we are better than others - because we are certainly not. We must not brag in this regard, because it will be our downfall.

The second area that Christ seemed to be warning about is those who hurt children. When he held the child in front of him and warned that those who hurt one such as this, "it would be better for him if a millstone was hung around his neck, and thrown into the sea" then to deal with the consequences of hurting a child - I think that also said something about what God thinks is particularly bad.

These are not definatives about what sin is worse, but I think a lot can be gleaned by Christ's reaction to the particular sin that was encountered.

Just one Christian's perspective, though -

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of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

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The only way to tell wich sin is more sinful than another is to try them all and find out.

Death is so permanant, and I'm just not ready for that kind of committment.

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Finally, a sensible suggestion.

Joe

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this is Seattle, after all - they burn Christians at the stake around here )

That's not fair!
Sure I *tried* to burn a Christian at the stake once, but I couldn't get the damned matches lit.
Stupid rain.
Maybe I should move some place where it's easier to get fires started?
-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

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Which sins are we talking about; just the ones on God's top ten list or all of the other ones that other folks have lumped in?

Here's my take on it. It IS more sinful to hurt somebody than it is to love somebody. There's all kinds of ways to hurt people, so, ya also wanna take that into consideration too.

I know I'm guilty.

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1. Murder is a sin, unless your victim is:
A. A homosexual.
B. Spouses of a mixed marriage.
C. Someone who urinates on partitions.
D. Any of the above.
1. Murder is a sin, unless your victim is:
Correct Answer: D (Any of the above.) “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman…they shall be put to death” (Leviticus 20:13). “One of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman…And when Phinehas…saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand…and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel” (Numbers 25:6-8). “He slew all the house of Baasha, he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends. Thus did Zimri destroy all the house of Baasha, according to the word of the Lord” (1 Kings 16:11-12).

2. Intolerance toward the handicapped is a sin, unless the discrimination takes the form of:
A. Not allowing them to approach the altar of the Lord.
B. Expelling them from the community.
C. Barring men with damaged testicles from entering the church.
D. Any of the above.
2. Intolerance toward the handicapped is a sin, unless the discrimination takes the form of:
Correct Answer: D (Any of the above.) “Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God” (Leviticus 21:17-21). “And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and everyone that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead: Both male and female shall ye put out, without the camp shall ye put them; that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell” (Numbers 5:1-3). “He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord” (Deuteronomy 23:1).

3. Cannibalism is a sin, unless you eat
A. Trick question. Cannibalism is always a sin.
B. Your children, infants, friends and self when God destroys everything else so these are all that are left to eat.
C. A person who is already dead, if you’re very hungry.
D. B or C.
3. Cannibalism is a sin, unless you eat:
Correct Answer: B (Your children, infants, friends and self when God destroys everything else so these are all that are left to eat) “And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness” (Jeremiah 19:9). “And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and the straitness” (Deuteronomy 28:57). “Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm” (Isaiah 9:19-20). “Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him” (Numbers 19:13).”
4. Murdering your own child is a sin, unless your child:
A. Spoke to you with curse words.
B. Encouraged you to join a faith other than Christianity.
C. Is killed in the name of Jesus.
D. Any of the above.
4. Murdering your own child is a sin, unless your child:
Correct Answer: D (Any of the above) “And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death” (Exodus 21:17). “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy firend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods…thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die” (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). “And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 10:21-22).
5. Self-mutilation is a sin, unless:
A. You remove a body part that has engaged or is about to engage in sin, such as slicing off your genitals to remain a virgin.
B. You don a tattoo in the shape of a religious symbol, such as a crucifix or angel.
C. You take action that results in no permanent body changes, such as a man shaving his head or trimming his beard.
D. Any of the above.
5. Self-mutilation is a sin, unless:
Correct Answer: A (You remove a body part that has engaged or is about to engage in sin, such as slicing off your genitals to remain a virgin) “And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee” (Matthew 5:29-30; see also Matthew 18:8-9; Mark 9:43-48). “For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it” (Matthew 19:12). “And no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb” (Revelation 14:3-4). “They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh” (Leviticus 21:5).
6. Rape is a sin subject to the greatest of punishments, but is easily overlooked and forgiven if the victim is:
A. A captive in war.
B. A slave girl.
C. Someone you’re willing to marry with a father you’re willing to pay.
D. Any of the above.
6. Rape is a sin subject to the greatest of punishments, but is easily overlooked and forgiven if the victim is:
Correct Answer: D (Any of the above) “And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women…shalt thou take unto thyself” (Deuteronomy 20:13-14). “And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all remeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make atonement for him” (Leviticus 19:20-22). “If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29).

7. Savagely beating another person with a weapon is a sin, unless you stop just before your victim dies and the victim is:
A. One of your domestic help.
B. Your own child.
C. Either of the above.
D. None of the above.
7. Savagely beating another person with a weapon is a sin, unless you stop just before your victim dies and the victim is:
Correct Answer: C (Either of the above) “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money” (Exodus 21:20-21). “Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell” (Proverbs 23:13-14).

8. Abandoning your family is a sin, unless:
A. It is a family you have out-of-wedlock.
B. It is a family originated by a mixed marriage (e.g., your wife is a foreigner).
C. You abandon them so you can spend more time praising Jesus.
D. Any of the above.

8. Abandoning your family is a sin, unless
Correct Answer: D (Any of the above) “Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac…And God said unto Abraham…harken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called…And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba” (Genesis 21:10-14). “Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?…Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business” (Nehemiah 13:25-30). “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26; see also Mark 10:29-30; Luke 18:29-30).
9. Homosexuality is a sin, unless:
A. You’re in a permanent, monogamous relationship with your boyfriend.
B. You’re one of God’s favorite children, and you have many wives in addition to your boyfriend.
C. You’re a woman making love to another woman.
D. Any of the above.

9. Homosexuality is a sin, unless:
Correct Answer: B (You’re one of God’s favorite children, and you have many wives in addition to your boyfriend) “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination” (Leviticus 18:22). “[David said] I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women” (2 Samuel 1:26). “And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times; and they [Jonathan and David] kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded” (1 Samuel 20:41). “And [David] had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart (1 Kings 11:3) “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet” (Romans 1:26-27).

10. Killing someone is a sin unless your victim is:
A. Any wiccan.
B. A stranger who has the nerve to approach you.
C. A virgin raped in the city.
D. Any of the above
10. Killing someone is a sin unless your victim is:
Correct Answer: D (Any of the above) “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” (Exodus 22:18). “But those that encamp before the tabernacle toward the east, even before the tabernacle of the congregation eastward, shall be Moses, and Aaron and his sons, keeping the charge of the sanctuary for the charge of the children of Israel; and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death” (Numbers 3:38). “If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you” Deuteronomy 22:23-24

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Wow

Owned by Remi #?

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>The Bible says that if you have broken one of God's
>commandments, then you have in effect broken them all.

Hmm. Have you ever worked on a sunday?

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Jesus, While working, was questioned by the Pharasies* (fat Cats that were protecting their jobs) about that and the answer is Matthew 12:11-12
"and He said to them*, if any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit onthe sabbath will you NOT take hold of it and lift it out?
How much more valuable is a man than a sheep!?
Therefore it IS lawful to do good on the Sabbath".
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WE DON'T GET OUR OWN PLANET!!!!!!! Geez, that is the one misconception I cannot stand!!!!!

Kelly

When I attended Church of LDS, THe Book Of Mormon stated the 3 planes of Heaven. You family could be divided up depending on how you lived your life. The picture/sketches show to me during my studies were drawn out as planets with Saturn like rings. This maybe just for visual aid but, in fact they looked like planets.
Artistic impression leaves specific thoughs in our minds and "3 Planets" is a common one for explaining the after life according to J.Smith.

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That's not fair!
Sure I *tried* to burn a Christian at the stake once, but I couldn't get the damned matches lit.
Stupid rain.
Maybe I should move some place where it's easier to get fires started?
-Josh
Suspicion breeds confidence.

Josh.. DUDE.. they have a Christian Family Supply right there on 196th in Lynnwood. I think during the Halloween season you should show up there and try to buy a christian family... for sacrificial purposes of course. Be sure to wear a pentangle

If they wont sell you a christian family can you sue them for false advertising since obviouosly they dont have any of them in supply.

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Dude, how long did it take you to compile all that? I'm impressed.

On the lighter side, try Song of Songs (aka Song of Solomon). or the Psalms.

North

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Val,

I think you have asked an awesome question and I believe you did with complete sincerity.

First of all, we are all sinners that can be redeemed. It's in our nature. Anyone who judges someone elses culpability is committing a very grave sin. I'm not talking about man made law here and the judicial system.

According to Judeo-Christian teachings, all sins fall within the context of the 10 Commandments. There are many sinful acts that fall within those Commandments. If you read a reputable Catechism, you will see what acts I am talking about.

Nice thread,
Chris

BTW BillVon, as you know, we both attended the same All boys High School. I'm sorry you came away with a much different experience than I did.

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It doesn't matter. A sin is a sin!! So have fun breaking one as much as the other

Bottomless Beers and Blue Skies!

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