321seeya 0 #1 October 22, 2003 There have been many heated debates on these forums about homosexuality. In order to clear things up and get this topic into a brighter light, I have a few questions: 1) Is Having sex with someone of the same sex enough to be considered gay? Or is being gay more than just sex? More questions to come, but one at a time as to not cloud the issue. This IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION TO BASH ON GAYS AND LESBIANS..... IF THIS POST OFFENDS YOU YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT READ IT. Thanks in advance BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katzeye 0 #2 October 22, 2003 That's like if men like anal pleasure (on themselves) - does that make them gay? Is a chicken omelette redundant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #3 October 22, 2003 Quote1) Is Having sex with someone of the same sex enough to be considered gay? Or is being gay more than just sex? Nope, that makes you curious. Being gay is more than just sex - see, I can be serious too.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,123 #4 October 22, 2003 It's a self-definition thing to some extent. How happy are you? Having sex with someone of the same sex isn't it. If you are sexually attracted to members of the same sex, find them enticing, etc., then that might be considered to put you farther towards the gay of of what I (with my expertise -- NOT) think of as the straight/gay continuum. Do you choose who you are attracted to? Can you just decide that you don't like blondes (or whatever) any more? Can you just decide that ducks look pretty good? Probably not. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #5 October 22, 2003 who cares anyway? imho it shouldn't make any difference who you live with or who you screw some guys are offended when they get the looks from another man, 4 them being gay probably means finding another male attractive... the more relaxed u are with your sexuality the easier it is to live it without hesitation, doubt etc... you could sleep with men from time to time and still feel hetero.. personally i don't give a f&%@ 4 labels. if u are an asshole it doesn't matter if u are gay or not just my 0,2 edit 4 bad spellThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtwiga 0 #6 October 22, 2003 Quote 1) Is Having sex with someone of the same sex enough to be considered gay? Or is being gay more than just sex? I think any sexual orientation (despite the "by definition" wording) has more to do with it than sex. I had one friend who described herself as a polyamorous pansexual polytheist. Did she earn this definition by having sex with many gods of different genders at the same time? I doubt it. But how cool would that be?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jayruss 0 #7 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuote1) Is Having sex with someone of the same sex enough to be considered gay? Or is being gay more than just sex? Nope, that makes you curious. Being gay is more than just sex - see, I can be serious too. I have to agree with Keith, but I've never seen him serious. Being gay isn't who you sleep with, a guy could be gay and force himself to sleep with women to fit a social standard. __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #8 October 22, 2003 ok I see what you are trying to say, but in response I offer this.... A lady wakes up one day and decides she is tired of Men (for what ever the reason).......She strolls to the nearest bar, restruant or club, and decides to pick up on the girl at the bar ect....Goes home and has a sexual experience and decides she likes it.....Repeats.....When does she become gay...or will she ever? BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 212 #9 October 22, 2003 Like I said in a different post, you are only gay if you cuddle after...I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #10 October 22, 2003 Of course you cant blame the general public for the opinions they form, and the ideas they have when the only representation you see of gays and lesbians are the dorks dressed like the cop in the village people, or in a bondage outfit marching down the street. Does anyone know why it is they make their sexual vices so public?? (Dont have to be gay to like leather and bondage, but most straight people dont flaunt it in parades...) I dont have a problem with my kids observing two people in public, whether they are gay or straight, but some stuff needs to stay in the bedroom, and not at Disney World, or the streets of NYC..... BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #11 October 22, 2003 Quote . . . you are only gay if you cuddle after... OH man! That was proprietary information Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #12 October 22, 2003 QuoteOf course you cant blame the general public for the opinions they form, and the ideas they have when the only representation you see of gays and lesbians are the dorks dressed like the cop in the village people, or in a bondage outfit marching down the street. Does anyone know why it is they make their sexual vices so public?? That's a good question. It's my guess that there are an equal percentage of gay/straight people with kinky habits. It's just that the Pride Parade gives the gay ones a venue. I don't feel that being gay has it's true center in who you have sex with and what you do in the process. And I don't think that the parade should be used in that way. It isn't why it started. I cringe when I see the kinky-leather-diaper-guy-riding-the-giant-penis-pogo-stick coming my way too.... and I'd sure as hell not want my kid exposed to that. I think there's also an element of anger in it. Maybe a backlash from social repression.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #13 October 22, 2003 Quote most straight people dont flaunt it in parades.... What a pile of horseshit! (Sorry, but that's so absolutely ridiculous I can't restrain myself.) Straight people flaunt their sexuality EVERYWHERE. Billboards with straight couples drinking beer in skimpy clothes, sexualized clothing ads with naked couples, het couples holding hands on the street, assumptions of hetersexuality is everywhere. Couples kissing goodbye at the train, dancing in clubs. EVERYTHING is het. Jeez.... did you really mean what you said or was that just to look dumb? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #14 October 22, 2003 A REALLY good point. But can you deny that there's some excess compared to hetero displays?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dropoutdave 0 #15 October 22, 2003 My brother is gay (well, more of a raging queen) and i've known for the past 7years or so. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if I see to men/women flaunting their sexuality, kissing holding hands, whatever. I don't look at it any differently than seeing a man and woman together. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #16 October 22, 2003 I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think you might be comparing homo displays at parades with het displays 24/7 on every street corner and concluding that homo displays are much more sexual. If that's your point, I don't agree. Even though gay parades have some lesbians with exposed breasts and fags with leather straps, I don't think that's anywhere CLOSE to what I see on beer and clothing billboards daily. And I don't even have a TV but if I did I'm sure I'd see far, far most sexualized het images there every day. That being said, I don't wear leather straps in public. I don't much appreciate seeing that highly costumed, sexual imagery either. But it's 1/1000 as common and 1/2 as intense as the het images I see anyway, so I'm not spending much time getting upset. I believe the people who get upset at gay parade imagery and pass over daily het imagery are just being nasty and biased. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #17 October 22, 2003 Your comments are thoughtful and well written. I think that my cringe reactions to overt displays at pride (pogo man) are caused by the knowledge that HE will be noticed and not the thousands who show up trying to be counted. That is unrelated to the original question, I'll admit.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #18 October 23, 2003 I cringe when I see something rare that's in astoundly bad taste. I cringed when I saw Divine eat poodle poop in Pink Flamingos. Ugh. If you saw gay imagery about as often as you see straight imagery, I think it would become commonplace quickly. Some people can't stand the idea of that of course. Symmetry always bothers those who are well-placed. The well fed feel cheated when the hungry finally get a good dinner. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airann 1 #19 October 23, 2003 Classification of human beings irritates me. In addition, asking to clarify a 'classification' is about a waste of good time. Another waste of time is me in this thread. ~AirAnn~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #20 October 23, 2003 I think homosexuality, is a born condition as is heterosexuality. But you can choose to identify as one or other.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #21 October 23, 2003 You can choose to identify yourself to others either way. Is that what you meant? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dkostas 0 #22 October 23, 2003 Great discussion so far. So, what do you think is fostering what seems to be a broader "social" acceptance of alternative (i.e., gay, bi, trans) lifestyles in the US? It seems that parades (or street fairs like Halsted Days in Chicago) put sour lifestyles out there, but we've been doing that for 2 decades. My thought?:: untapped expendable incomes > media attention > advertisers endorsements, etc..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #23 October 23, 2003 QuoteQuote most straight people dont flaunt it in parades.... What a pile of horseshit! (Sorry, but that's so absolutely ridiculous I can't restrain myself.) Straight people flaunt their sexuality EVERYWHERE. Billboards with straight couples drinking beer in skimpy clothes, sexualized clothing ads with naked couples, het couples holding hands on the street, assumptions of hetersexuality is everywhere. Couples kissing goodbye at the train, dancing in clubs. EVERYTHING is het. Jeez.... did you really mean what you said or was that just to look dumb? You totally responded with out reading the post you quoted...I said PDA between HET and GAY couples DO NOT bother me, but the flaunting of SEXUAL VICES ie..leather bondage seems to be more prevalent in gay parades, and do NOT have a place on the streets of NYC or disney land. I would feel the same way if I saw a HET woman riding a big 6' penis through the Macy's parade... BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #24 October 23, 2003 http://www.pflagphoenix.org/education/kinsey_scale.html Kinsey Scale... interesting... lots of good info on this site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #25 October 23, 2003 QuoteSo, what do you think is fostering what seems to be a broader "social" acceptance of alternative (i.e., gay, bi, trans) lifestyles in the US? HBO . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Jayruss 0 #7 October 22, 2003 QuoteQuote1) Is Having sex with someone of the same sex enough to be considered gay? Or is being gay more than just sex? Nope, that makes you curious. Being gay is more than just sex - see, I can be serious too. I have to agree with Keith, but I've never seen him serious. Being gay isn't who you sleep with, a guy could be gay and force himself to sleep with women to fit a social standard. __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #8 October 22, 2003 ok I see what you are trying to say, but in response I offer this.... A lady wakes up one day and decides she is tired of Men (for what ever the reason).......She strolls to the nearest bar, restruant or club, and decides to pick up on the girl at the bar ect....Goes home and has a sexual experience and decides she likes it.....Repeats.....When does she become gay...or will she ever? BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #9 October 22, 2003 Like I said in a different post, you are only gay if you cuddle after...I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #10 October 22, 2003 Of course you cant blame the general public for the opinions they form, and the ideas they have when the only representation you see of gays and lesbians are the dorks dressed like the cop in the village people, or in a bondage outfit marching down the street. Does anyone know why it is they make their sexual vices so public?? (Dont have to be gay to like leather and bondage, but most straight people dont flaunt it in parades...) I dont have a problem with my kids observing two people in public, whether they are gay or straight, but some stuff needs to stay in the bedroom, and not at Disney World, or the streets of NYC..... BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #11 October 22, 2003 Quote . . . you are only gay if you cuddle after... OH man! That was proprietary information Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #12 October 22, 2003 QuoteOf course you cant blame the general public for the opinions they form, and the ideas they have when the only representation you see of gays and lesbians are the dorks dressed like the cop in the village people, or in a bondage outfit marching down the street. Does anyone know why it is they make their sexual vices so public?? That's a good question. It's my guess that there are an equal percentage of gay/straight people with kinky habits. It's just that the Pride Parade gives the gay ones a venue. I don't feel that being gay has it's true center in who you have sex with and what you do in the process. And I don't think that the parade should be used in that way. It isn't why it started. I cringe when I see the kinky-leather-diaper-guy-riding-the-giant-penis-pogo-stick coming my way too.... and I'd sure as hell not want my kid exposed to that. I think there's also an element of anger in it. Maybe a backlash from social repression.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #13 October 22, 2003 Quote most straight people dont flaunt it in parades.... What a pile of horseshit! (Sorry, but that's so absolutely ridiculous I can't restrain myself.) Straight people flaunt their sexuality EVERYWHERE. Billboards with straight couples drinking beer in skimpy clothes, sexualized clothing ads with naked couples, het couples holding hands on the street, assumptions of hetersexuality is everywhere. Couples kissing goodbye at the train, dancing in clubs. EVERYTHING is het. Jeez.... did you really mean what you said or was that just to look dumb? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #14 October 22, 2003 A REALLY good point. But can you deny that there's some excess compared to hetero displays?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #15 October 22, 2003 My brother is gay (well, more of a raging queen) and i've known for the past 7years or so. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if I see to men/women flaunting their sexuality, kissing holding hands, whatever. I don't look at it any differently than seeing a man and woman together. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #16 October 22, 2003 I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think you might be comparing homo displays at parades with het displays 24/7 on every street corner and concluding that homo displays are much more sexual. If that's your point, I don't agree. Even though gay parades have some lesbians with exposed breasts and fags with leather straps, I don't think that's anywhere CLOSE to what I see on beer and clothing billboards daily. And I don't even have a TV but if I did I'm sure I'd see far, far most sexualized het images there every day. That being said, I don't wear leather straps in public. I don't much appreciate seeing that highly costumed, sexual imagery either. But it's 1/1000 as common and 1/2 as intense as the het images I see anyway, so I'm not spending much time getting upset. I believe the people who get upset at gay parade imagery and pass over daily het imagery are just being nasty and biased. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #17 October 22, 2003 Your comments are thoughtful and well written. I think that my cringe reactions to overt displays at pride (pogo man) are caused by the knowledge that HE will be noticed and not the thousands who show up trying to be counted. That is unrelated to the original question, I'll admit.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #18 October 23, 2003 I cringe when I see something rare that's in astoundly bad taste. I cringed when I saw Divine eat poodle poop in Pink Flamingos. Ugh. If you saw gay imagery about as often as you see straight imagery, I think it would become commonplace quickly. Some people can't stand the idea of that of course. Symmetry always bothers those who are well-placed. The well fed feel cheated when the hungry finally get a good dinner. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airann 1 #19 October 23, 2003 Classification of human beings irritates me. In addition, asking to clarify a 'classification' is about a waste of good time. Another waste of time is me in this thread. ~AirAnn~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #20 October 23, 2003 I think homosexuality, is a born condition as is heterosexuality. But you can choose to identify as one or other.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #21 October 23, 2003 You can choose to identify yourself to others either way. Is that what you meant? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkostas 0 #22 October 23, 2003 Great discussion so far. So, what do you think is fostering what seems to be a broader "social" acceptance of alternative (i.e., gay, bi, trans) lifestyles in the US? It seems that parades (or street fairs like Halsted Days in Chicago) put sour lifestyles out there, but we've been doing that for 2 decades. My thought?:: untapped expendable incomes > media attention > advertisers endorsements, etc..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #23 October 23, 2003 QuoteQuote most straight people dont flaunt it in parades.... What a pile of horseshit! (Sorry, but that's so absolutely ridiculous I can't restrain myself.) Straight people flaunt their sexuality EVERYWHERE. Billboards with straight couples drinking beer in skimpy clothes, sexualized clothing ads with naked couples, het couples holding hands on the street, assumptions of hetersexuality is everywhere. Couples kissing goodbye at the train, dancing in clubs. EVERYTHING is het. Jeez.... did you really mean what you said or was that just to look dumb? You totally responded with out reading the post you quoted...I said PDA between HET and GAY couples DO NOT bother me, but the flaunting of SEXUAL VICES ie..leather bondage seems to be more prevalent in gay parades, and do NOT have a place on the streets of NYC or disney land. I would feel the same way if I saw a HET woman riding a big 6' penis through the Macy's parade... BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #24 October 23, 2003 http://www.pflagphoenix.org/education/kinsey_scale.html Kinsey Scale... interesting... lots of good info on this site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #25 October 23, 2003 QuoteSo, what do you think is fostering what seems to be a broader "social" acceptance of alternative (i.e., gay, bi, trans) lifestyles in the US? HBO . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
