headoverheels 329 #26 November 30, 2005 Get an experienced packer to let you know what they think of the fit. It will only get easier with time, as the canopy gets less slick and the container stretches a bit. Wings has had a reputation, at least at my DZ, of making the container pretty tight for the stated size. In the case of my Wings, new this year, that was absolutely not the case. I gave them a two-size range I wanted to hit (two canopies I use). It accommodates the larger with a bit of room to spare, and I don't pack that well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky-pimp 0 #27 November 30, 2005 hay buddy , i did'nt read all the replys but i have a 170 sabre2 in a mirage G4 , with a pd 143 reserve . .... you should speak to phil curtis at langer , he will know the answer . i was under the impreshion that most containers will take a couple of size main canopys (of course the reserve playes a part) my G4 is sized so i can go to 150 next when i am ready and keep the same reserve ..YeHaaaaaaaaaaa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #28 November 30, 2005 QuoteWhat is it that made your decision to "upsize" artist? As someone else also "points out" in here, I'm surprised you did not consider your reserve relative to whatever that thought process, need/requirement, or decision factor was too. If it is wing loading/safety considerations, why would you be any more comfortable on a smaller reserve (and "last chance") than your main? Just something else to think about/consider is all. He started asking questions on here, decided that the 170 his instructors recommended to him was too aggressive for his comfort, and amended his order so he got a larger main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #29 November 30, 2005 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1879250;search_string=%20170%20;#1879250________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tso-d_chris 0 #30 December 1, 2005 Quotehay buddy , i did'nt read all the replys but i have a 170 sabre2 in a mirage G4 , with a pd 143 reserve . .... you should speak to phil curtis at langer , he will know the answer . i was under the impreshion that most containers will take a couple of size main canopys (of course the reserve playes a part) my G4 is sized so i can go to 150 next when i am ready and keep the same reserve .. Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to use a 143 reserve if you don't feel you are ready for a 150 main? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palejo 0 #31 December 1, 2005 QuoteI ordered a wings container and a Pilot 170, then i changed the order to the Pilot 190 but didn't change the container, will the 190 be fine in the wings? I did the opposite. I ordered my Wings when I had my Sabre 190 then downsized to my Safire2 159 and shorten then closing loop. So I wonder since you can go about 2 sizes down if you can also do like 1 size up by making your closing loop longer. My sabre 190 didn't pack to big May be a stupid suggestion but my 0.02¢. Consult your rigger or the manufacturer for better info Blue onesAlejandro B27585 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #32 December 2, 2005 yeah i know it is smaller, i thought everybody knew they were now! My 149 was more like a 140, but it still packed up the same size or smaller than my sabre2 135 is what i meant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites krazykate 0 #33 December 3, 2005 Did you order from a dealer? Would the person you ordered your equipment from not be able to advise you on this? What did your dealer advise when you said you wanted to change your order slightly? (I guess if you ordered direct from the manufacturers then this question doesn't apply) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #34 December 4, 2005 My 170 Hornet fits fine in my Javelin which is supposed to max out with a 150. The hardest part was trying to get the 170 canopy in the 150 bag (when it was a new canopy). That's one reason I started psycho packing. It was just easier for me, to get the slippery thing in there....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #35 December 4, 2005 leave the dead kitten out of the pack tray and you'll be fine... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites artistcalledian 0 #36 December 4, 2005 Quoteleave the dead kitten out of the pack tray and you'll be fine... oh yeah, i forgot about him ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #37 December 5, 2005 QuoteQuotehay buddy , i did'nt read all the replys but i have a 170 sabre2 in a mirage G4 , with a pd 143 reserve . .... you should speak to phil curtis at langer , he will know the answer . i was under the impreshion that most containers will take a couple of size main canopys (of course the reserve playes a part) my G4 is sized so i can go to 150 next when i am ready and keep the same reserve .. Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to use a 143 reserve if you don't feel you are ready for a 150 main? I'd be interested in hearing the rationale too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites exnavykds 0 #38 December 7, 2005 QuoteI packed a Sabre 2 210 in a mirage made for a 190 In my case its a Sabre2 230 in a Mirage G-4. Looks like a pregnant elephant but works just fine! I look at it this way, I have plenty of room to downsize. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #39 December 7, 2005 Ok, now that this thread has gone on for a while, was a call to Ankie ever made? What did the manufacture say?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kowens1424 0 #40 May 28, 2009 Hey I Don't know how to check for your response but I have a question about you having a spectre 150 in the wings W-8...What size reserve do you have in there? I was hoping a PDR 143 would fit and not be over over tight? Also is the spectre in there "pushing" it? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DARK 0 #41 May 28, 2009 i have ordered a wings and plan on putting a 190 on it at first my dealer advised me to buy it fit for a 170 and i shouldnt have any problem putting a 190 in it for a while(im a packer if that makes any difference). however i do think he mentioned the fact that pilots pack bigger than other similar canopies and i think he was implying that a pilot 190 would be alot harder to fit in that a sbare2 190 or similar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koppel 4 #42 May 30, 2009 Pilots do pack larger and Wings have relatively small bags compared to some other rigs. If you want a 190, get the rig for a 190. You will save your self $$$ on packers and stress in yourself ;)I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #43 June 1, 2009 yea... I'm going to go with not likely. I got my container custom for a Triathlon 135. I specifically told them, while in the factory, that its a Tri and it packs bulky, and they assured me they were aware of the problem and will take care of it. Well.... lets just say I have a hard ass time getting my canopy in the bag, and the container, but mostly the bag. Edited to add-- PS, my container is a wings vision W-8, and seriously, that Tri is a tight squeeze in that and unfortunately I am not downsizing anytime soon. Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piratemike 0 #44 June 1, 2009 QuoteI ordered a wings container and a Pilot 170, then i changed the order to the Pilot 190 but didn't change the container, will the 190 be fine in the wings? It looks like this thread jot bumped from 2005. Kind of weird to see that happen, but for what it's worth I have a wings sized for a spectre 170, and I put a spectre 190 into for a while after a injury. It wasn't much of a problem. The larger canopy did seem to deform the plastic bits inside of the closing flaps more than I'd like, but the seem no worse for the wear now. As for your packers, if there is a concern about the well being of your packer, tip a extra $1/pack job, or pack it yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #45 June 1, 2009 Quote Edited to add-- PS, my container is a wings vision W-8, and seriously, that Tri is a tight squeeze in that and unfortunately I am not downsizing anytime soon. The lighter fabrics that all the makers are rolling out now is a possible solution if you want a different canopy at the same size. I'm doing that to make a lateral move from a tri 210 to a pilot 210 without overfilling the d bag. 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krazykate 0 #33 December 3, 2005 Did you order from a dealer? Would the person you ordered your equipment from not be able to advise you on this? What did your dealer advise when you said you wanted to change your order slightly? (I guess if you ordered direct from the manufacturers then this question doesn't apply) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #34 December 4, 2005 My 170 Hornet fits fine in my Javelin which is supposed to max out with a 150. The hardest part was trying to get the 170 canopy in the 150 bag (when it was a new canopy). That's one reason I started psycho packing. It was just easier for me, to get the slippery thing in there....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #35 December 4, 2005 leave the dead kitten out of the pack tray and you'll be fine... -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #36 December 4, 2005 Quoteleave the dead kitten out of the pack tray and you'll be fine... oh yeah, i forgot about him ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 December 5, 2005 QuoteQuotehay buddy , i did'nt read all the replys but i have a 170 sabre2 in a mirage G4 , with a pd 143 reserve . .... you should speak to phil curtis at langer , he will know the answer . i was under the impreshion that most containers will take a couple of size main canopys (of course the reserve playes a part) my G4 is sized so i can go to 150 next when i am ready and keep the same reserve .. Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to use a 143 reserve if you don't feel you are ready for a 150 main? I'd be interested in hearing the rationale too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
exnavykds 0 #38 December 7, 2005 QuoteI packed a Sabre 2 210 in a mirage made for a 190 In my case its a Sabre2 230 in a Mirage G-4. Looks like a pregnant elephant but works just fine! I look at it this way, I have plenty of room to downsize. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #39 December 7, 2005 Ok, now that this thread has gone on for a while, was a call to Ankie ever made? What did the manufacture say?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kowens1424 0 #40 May 28, 2009 Hey I Don't know how to check for your response but I have a question about you having a spectre 150 in the wings W-8...What size reserve do you have in there? I was hoping a PDR 143 would fit and not be over over tight? Also is the spectre in there "pushing" it? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #41 May 28, 2009 i have ordered a wings and plan on putting a 190 on it at first my dealer advised me to buy it fit for a 170 and i shouldnt have any problem putting a 190 in it for a while(im a packer if that makes any difference). however i do think he mentioned the fact that pilots pack bigger than other similar canopies and i think he was implying that a pilot 190 would be alot harder to fit in that a sbare2 190 or similar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 4 #42 May 30, 2009 Pilots do pack larger and Wings have relatively small bags compared to some other rigs. If you want a 190, get the rig for a 190. You will save your self $$$ on packers and stress in yourself ;)I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #43 June 1, 2009 yea... I'm going to go with not likely. I got my container custom for a Triathlon 135. I specifically told them, while in the factory, that its a Tri and it packs bulky, and they assured me they were aware of the problem and will take care of it. Well.... lets just say I have a hard ass time getting my canopy in the bag, and the container, but mostly the bag. Edited to add-- PS, my container is a wings vision W-8, and seriously, that Tri is a tight squeeze in that and unfortunately I am not downsizing anytime soon. Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piratemike 0 #44 June 1, 2009 QuoteI ordered a wings container and a Pilot 170, then i changed the order to the Pilot 190 but didn't change the container, will the 190 be fine in the wings? It looks like this thread jot bumped from 2005. Kind of weird to see that happen, but for what it's worth I have a wings sized for a spectre 170, and I put a spectre 190 into for a while after a injury. It wasn't much of a problem. The larger canopy did seem to deform the plastic bits inside of the closing flaps more than I'd like, but the seem no worse for the wear now. As for your packers, if there is a concern about the well being of your packer, tip a extra $1/pack job, or pack it yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #45 June 1, 2009 Quote Edited to add-- PS, my container is a wings vision W-8, and seriously, that Tri is a tight squeeze in that and unfortunately I am not downsizing anytime soon. The lighter fabrics that all the makers are rolling out now is a possible solution if you want a different canopy at the same size. I'm doing that to make a lateral move from a tri 210 to a pilot 210 without overfilling the d bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites