AMax 0 #1 September 2, 2006 Nice job! Go, professor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #2 September 3, 2006 QuoteNice job! Go, professor Cryptic, but I think I know to what you refer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #3 September 3, 2006 QuoteNice job! Go, professor Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,178 #4 September 3, 2006 Maybe they figured the SC folks were too busy reading Newsmax and NPR to read Parachutist Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 September 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteNice job! Go, professor Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator?maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folksYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 September 3, 2006 QuoteMaybe they figured the SC folks were too busy reading Newsmax and NPR to read Parachutist Wendy W. I wonder if some of us only subscribe to Skydiving[GASP] Like me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #7 September 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteNice job! Go, professor Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? Two possible explanations: 1) Because I did not elaborate that in the original post 2) Conspiracy (opponents of your theory are trying to hide the truth from the general public) By the way, I like your new name Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,683 #8 September 3, 2006 QuoteMaybe they figured the SC folks were too busy reading Newsmax and NPR to read Parachutist Wendy W. But it didn't start out in SC, it was in "Safety & Training".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #9 September 3, 2006 Quotekallend said: Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? I moved it because the first two posts gave no indication that it had anything at all to do with skydiving. Quotesqueak said: maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folks Correct! Even USPA folks like me may not have understood - I haven't read my Parachutist yet, and not everyone reads every single article. The moral of the story: the author should have made his subject clear so it was evident to all that it was an appropriate fit in S&T.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #10 September 3, 2006 On a serious note, I was surprised they published the letter stating that skydivers don't generate lift Perhaps they should pay more attention to the content. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,683 #11 September 3, 2006 QuoteQuotekallend said: Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? I moved it because the first two posts gave no indication that it had anything at all to do with skydiving. Quotesqueak said: maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folks Correct! Even USPA folks like me may not have understood - I haven't read my Parachutist yet, and not everyone reads every single article. The moral of the story: the author should have made his subject clear so it was evident to all that it was an appropriate fit in S&T. OK, I forgive you. So what do you think of the letter?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #12 September 4, 2006 Quote[replyOK, I forgive you. So what do you think of the letter? What letter, post it and we can make comment You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 0 #13 September 4, 2006 QuoteSo what do you think of the letter? Not a lot, since I can't read it. Fancy reproducing it here for the international community? Parachustist don't demand copyright on submitted letters, do they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #14 September 4, 2006 Since John wrote it, he automatically holds the copyright on the article so he can post it if he so chooses."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #15 September 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotekallend said: Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? I moved it because the first two posts gave no indication that it had anything at all to do with skydiving. Quotesqueak said: maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folks Correct! Even USPA folks like me may not have understood - I haven't read my Parachutist yet, and not everyone reads every single article. The moral of the story: the author should have made his subject clear so it was evident to all that it was an appropriate fit in S&T. OK, I forgive you. So what do you think of the letter? well, since I live in po-dunkville, Illinois now, I don't yet have my copy. but, being the physics guru you are, i'm sure it's quite informative. i look forward to reading it! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RippedCord 0 #16 September 4, 2006 Don't they use this phrase in the movie "Cutaway?" We kept saying it to eachother on my last speedstar team. AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #17 September 4, 2006 Quotewell, since I live in po-dunkville, Illinois now, I don't yet have my copy. i look forward to reading it! Attached are the two Letters to the Editor in question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #18 September 4, 2006 OK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwiseYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,683 #19 September 5, 2006 QuoteOK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwise 1:1 glide ratio (or more) does not involve gaining altitude. Please re-state your question.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #20 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuote 1:1 glide ratio (or more) does not involve gaining altitude. Please re-state your question.OK my bad not gaining alti. OK a ratio of 1:1 is 1 unit forward for 1 unit down, correct? So exceeding that ratio (possibly incorrectly) to me implies that you are going less than 1 unit down for every unit forward. Where a !;) ratio would be maintaining altitude. Can you direct me to documentation that supports someone tracking with a better than 1:1 glide ratio.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,412 #21 September 5, 2006 QuoteOK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwise How about this one? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=95687;search_string=tracking;#95687"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 September 5, 2006 not validated by any independant sourceYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,412 #23 September 5, 2006 Quotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020 According to the Glide Ratio graph he nver realy acheaved better than 1:1 the ratio range apears to be 1.1through to 1.8, for the timed distance. or am i reading it wrong?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,412 #25 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020 According to the Glide Ratio graph he nver realy acheaved better than 1:1 the ratio range apears to be 1.1through to 1.8, for the timed distance. or am i reading it wrong? 1:1 is the same as 1.0:1, and according to the Glide Ratio graph he peaked about 1.7:1. 1.7 is greater than 1.0."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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kallend 1,683 #8 September 3, 2006 QuoteMaybe they figured the SC folks were too busy reading Newsmax and NPR to read Parachutist Wendy W. But it didn't start out in SC, it was in "Safety & Training".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #9 September 3, 2006 Quotekallend said: Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? I moved it because the first two posts gave no indication that it had anything at all to do with skydiving. Quotesqueak said: maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folks Correct! Even USPA folks like me may not have understood - I haven't read my Parachutist yet, and not everyone reads every single article. The moral of the story: the author should have made his subject clear so it was evident to all that it was an appropriate fit in S&T.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #10 September 3, 2006 On a serious note, I was surprised they published the letter stating that skydivers don't generate lift Perhaps they should pay more attention to the content. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #11 September 3, 2006 QuoteQuotekallend said: Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? I moved it because the first two posts gave no indication that it had anything at all to do with skydiving. Quotesqueak said: maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folks Correct! Even USPA folks like me may not have understood - I haven't read my Parachutist yet, and not everyone reads every single article. The moral of the story: the author should have made his subject clear so it was evident to all that it was an appropriate fit in S&T. OK, I forgive you. So what do you think of the letter?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #12 September 4, 2006 Quote[replyOK, I forgive you. So what do you think of the letter? What letter, post it and we can make comment You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #13 September 4, 2006 QuoteSo what do you think of the letter? Not a lot, since I can't read it. Fancy reproducing it here for the international community? Parachustist don't demand copyright on submitted letters, do they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #14 September 4, 2006 Since John wrote it, he automatically holds the copyright on the article so he can post it if he so chooses."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #15 September 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotekallend said: Curious as to why this was moved to Bonfire - it's about a letter in Parachutist concerning skydiving. Moderator? I moved it because the first two posts gave no indication that it had anything at all to do with skydiving. Quotesqueak said: maybe because there's nothing in the 1st two post that remotely sugests that especially to the NON USA folks Correct! Even USPA folks like me may not have understood - I haven't read my Parachutist yet, and not everyone reads every single article. The moral of the story: the author should have made his subject clear so it was evident to all that it was an appropriate fit in S&T. OK, I forgive you. So what do you think of the letter? well, since I live in po-dunkville, Illinois now, I don't yet have my copy. but, being the physics guru you are, i'm sure it's quite informative. i look forward to reading it! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RippedCord 0 #16 September 4, 2006 Don't they use this phrase in the movie "Cutaway?" We kept saying it to eachother on my last speedstar team. AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 September 4, 2006 Quotewell, since I live in po-dunkville, Illinois now, I don't yet have my copy. i look forward to reading it! Attached are the two Letters to the Editor in question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 September 4, 2006 OK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwiseYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #19 September 5, 2006 QuoteOK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwise 1:1 glide ratio (or more) does not involve gaining altitude. Please re-state your question.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #20 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuote 1:1 glide ratio (or more) does not involve gaining altitude. Please re-state your question.OK my bad not gaining alti. OK a ratio of 1:1 is 1 unit forward for 1 unit down, correct? So exceeding that ratio (possibly incorrectly) to me implies that you are going less than 1 unit down for every unit forward. Where a !;) ratio would be maintaining altitude. Can you direct me to documentation that supports someone tracking with a better than 1:1 glide ratio.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,412 #21 September 5, 2006 QuoteOK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwise How about this one? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=95687;search_string=tracking;#95687"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #22 September 5, 2006 not validated by any independant sourceYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,412 #23 September 5, 2006 Quotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #24 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020 According to the Glide Ratio graph he nver realy acheaved better than 1:1 the ratio range apears to be 1.1through to 1.8, for the timed distance. or am i reading it wrong?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,412 #25 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020 According to the Glide Ratio graph he nver realy acheaved better than 1:1 the ratio range apears to be 1.1through to 1.8, for the timed distance. or am i reading it wrong? 1:1 is the same as 1.0:1, and according to the Glide Ratio graph he peaked about 1.7:1. 1.7 is greater than 1.0."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ryoder 1,412 #21 September 5, 2006 QuoteOK John, that was a non supported arguement, would you please indicate where these "documented" cases of glide ratios exceeding 1:1 are, I find it difficult to beleive that a person tracking can gain altitide, but I'm more tha willing to read anything documented that can prove otherwise How about this one? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=95687;search_string=tracking;#95687"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #22 September 5, 2006 not validated by any independant sourceYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,412 #23 September 5, 2006 Quotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #24 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020 According to the Glide Ratio graph he nver realy acheaved better than 1:1 the ratio range apears to be 1.1through to 1.8, for the timed distance. or am i reading it wrong?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,412 #25 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotenot validated by any independant source OK, just for you, Squeak; http://www.trackingderby.com/trace_view.php?trace_id=1020 According to the Glide Ratio graph he nver realy acheaved better than 1:1 the ratio range apears to be 1.1through to 1.8, for the timed distance. or am i reading it wrong? 1:1 is the same as 1.0:1, and according to the Glide Ratio graph he peaked about 1.7:1. 1.7 is greater than 1.0."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
