LittleDJ 0 #1 October 2, 2006 im just about to order my first rig but dont know whether to have a hackey or freefly pad put on it, i am an A licience jumper with low jump numbers, and am looking at going into freefly in the near future In your opinion which do you prefer and why?*********************************** LittleDJ!!- There is no such thing as a perfectly good aircraft!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tr027 0 #2 October 2, 2006 Quotedont know whether to have a hackey or freefly pad put on it, Just one question to clarify... is the 'freefly pad' those cool yellow notepads with the sitfly and HD silhouette emblems, used for drawing out the dive plan? If it is go with that for sure. Even if it isn't go with it cause it's named after your discipline of choice."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #3 October 2, 2006 Id say check with your instructor/ and rigger at your DZ is the best bet here.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klafollette 0 #4 October 3, 2006 I can only speak from personal experience. When I ordered my new Vector, I thought I would go with the freefly handle. Jumped with the freefly handle for better part of a season and then switched to a hackey handle. While I liked the securness of the freefly handle, I found it difficult to reach and grasp at pull time, resulting in many nerve racking throws where I couldn't reach it on the first try, slipped it, etc. Part of this could be that my rig isn't one of those tiny guys many freeflyers have, where the edge of the pilot chute pocket is a mere 1/2" from edge of the container, and the freefly handle sticks out a bit. I have a V350 with a 170 main, meaning that that the container was larger and the freefly handle was tucked under the container, not sticking out at all from the side. I also am a bit older, with some shoulder issues, so I don't have the flexibility you youngsters might have, to contort and reach around behind my back.. It may differ from rig/rig person/person, but it just didn't work for me. You can always try it, and get it swapped out for a few bucks if you don't like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #5 October 3, 2006 My rig came with it, well, kinda. I got a Mirage, and they all come with freefly hackies now. (It's a hackey with the freefly tuck tab on it). After talking to my rigger, I decided to cut it off... Why? It required me to un-do the tab, then pull as normal. So, it took longer to pitch. Also, a girl at the dropzone had a hard pull with one and had a terminal reserve ride....ouch. So, I basically came to the conclusion that if I reach fast enough speeds the will make my hackey pull my pilot chute of of the BOC pouch, then I'd look into getting a freefly handle, but I'm not even near the skill that would require to worry about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireMedicJumper 0 #6 October 3, 2006 You can get the freefly hackey as an option from Mirage. I have them on both my rigs and really like them. Keeps the pilot chute secure, and I have had no problems with extraction at pull time. Kinda like the best of both worlds, maybe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fueler 0 #7 October 3, 2006 if you check your gear regularly and dont let your BOC spandex get all F'ed up, a hackey is fine. **************************************** what!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sled14 0 #8 October 3, 2006 I wasn't exactly sure to get the pud or hackey when I ordered my wings but since I jumped with the hackey before thats what I got. I'm glad I got it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #9 October 3, 2006 Ive got around 700 jumps on my Mirage. I have the freefly pillow with the tuck tab. When I first started jumping it I was stuffing a 170 in to a container made for a 150. the only time I ever had any issues was when I was wearing gloves for the first time, and being able to feel everything was just a bit different. At pull time I just rotate the handle as I am depolying. As for what you should do: Talk to your instructors and fellow jumpers. Decide on the option that you believe will be safe and reliable. I choose the pillow because it was less vulnerable to snag and was more secure. The hacky w/ tuck tab was not an option at the time I ordered mine. I have since gotton used to it and wont change when I order my next rig.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #10 October 3, 2006 I was told the same: do not buy a container with Freefly pad in a country with cold weather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #11 October 3, 2006 I live where it gets cold and I have never had problems with my pad in a Mirage. I do not freefly, but I really like the security of it. It may take some getting used to, but I think they are the way to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffrey 0 #12 October 3, 2006 *** After talking to my rigger, I decided to cut it off... Quote Jeff, Did you call Mirage first? If not you should have. You could have just turned the tuck tab in to the pocket side rendering it redundant until you gained the experience to want the security it provides. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #13 October 3, 2006 QuoteYou could have just turned the tuck tab in to the pocket side rendering it redundant until you gained the experience to want the security it provides. No, I didn't call Mirage. The dealer who works at our DZ used to work for them though... ...However, I did turn the tab to the pocket side and it just felt awkward to me. When/if I ever need it, its only $40 for a freefly handle. Nice name btw... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #14 October 3, 2006 well, if your good and smart and fast and savvy, get the freefly thing. if your a retard just skydiving for social purposes (and trust me, they walk among us) and you can remember what way to "eat the carrot" then get the student rig with the main throwout option on the right or left side in case you forget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jheadley 0 #15 October 3, 2006 I like the freefly handle on my Javelin. It feels more secure than a hackey. Although I do admit it did take me some time to get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #16 October 3, 2006 I like the pud on my container rather than a hackey. Ever just watch people's hackeys when they are moving around in the airplane. It's scary. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brabzzz 0 #17 October 3, 2006 Occasionally you need to whip it out NOW (not a fraction of a second later...eg with a canopy below you or 1500ft coming up on the alti). Maybe there's some wingsuit nylon flapping too. A pad? No thanks. On my next rig I'm just gonna get the gas pipe. Light, distinctive and $30-40 cheaper. A no brainer. --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #18 October 4, 2006 umm. wtf is a hackey? ;P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 October 4, 2006 QuoteOccasionally you need to whip it out NOW (not a fraction of a second later...eg with a canopy below you or 1500ft coming up on the alti). sounds like some retraining is needed both on exit order and separation and altitude awareness..... (sometimes 'stuff' happens, but these shouldn't be on that list) personally, I've never had any trouble with finding the low profile pud. If someone else does, they definitely should consider whatever it takes to avoid issues (training, packing method, or a hackey or something more easier grasped) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yardhippie 0 #20 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P its a round, made of a durable material abut the size of a tangerine. Often looks much like a hackey sack (thus hacky) its used as the item you grab from your B.O.C. to pull your depolyment system (pilot chute, pull-out, etc)Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #21 October 4, 2006 [url "http://www.skydivewings.com/products.html" ] Check 3 picture in the middle [url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #22 October 4, 2006 I read this thread, cause like klafollette, I also have shoulder/reach issues... Interesting subject, and appropriate in an effort to be freefly friendly and Safe.... especially with glove season ( cold weather ) approaching in some places so your post caught my attention, please see below _________________________________________________ Quote well, if your good and smart and fast and savvy, get the freefly thing. if your a retard just skydiving for social purposes (and trust me, they walk among us) ________________________________________________ well i have always been good , try to be smart ,,, likely had savvy in this sport, before you were born, ,,,, and I no longer place such a high emphasis on "fast". I "get " the freefly thing, and love the discipline and those who embrace it, but It's not for me...I have not yet lost the thrill of freefall relative work, and videography, have not been 'burned out' and been looking for a change, have not come into the sport when freefly was already an immediate option, and so, often the choice of the "mountain dew generation" and those more recent to this sport / hobby..which we share. .... I DO skydive for social purposes... and I certainly "walk among us".. but don't you DARE call me a retard......or anyone by that word, for that matter... I hope your post is in jest, and meant to be tongue - in -cheek... but it does little to add to this thread,, except to get Me riled. hahahaha.. anyway if not for 'social purposes' tell us why YOU skydive...Calvin19????? Quote and you can remember what way to "eat the carrot" then get the student rig with the main throwout option on the right or left side in case you forget. what the heck does canopy piloting, understanding of landing patterns and wind speed/direction recognition??? ( windsock reference) have to do with deployment options??? which side to mount the deployment handle is not the issue, but rather what style and shape Handle is best..... .. Your smarmy reply indicates that You're...better than most of us....maybe yes.... maybe No..... p. s. see above sentence for correct use of " your & you're " ... ....geeze that bugs me when people mess that up.... good luck... skydive safely. jmy a 3914 d12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #23 October 4, 2006 ok, that little ball thingie. ;P Im quite new to the sport, seems like mastering all de new words is more of a challenge than the actual skydiving part ;P bag lock, line dump, hackey sack, D bag, horseshoe, hard pull, pilot chute in tow... hehehe. Most I could find or discover myself but that annoying hackey word had not come to me yet ;P thx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cHoDaBoY 0 #24 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P That what you americans call it, HACKEY. In canada we call it hockey, its a sport on ice with sticks and a puck. You silly americans will never be able to say it properly! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CygnusX-1 42 #25 October 4, 2006 Shouldn't you be speaking in French, not English? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Guest #13 October 3, 2006 QuoteYou could have just turned the tuck tab in to the pocket side rendering it redundant until you gained the experience to want the security it provides. No, I didn't call Mirage. The dealer who works at our DZ used to work for them though... ...However, I did turn the tab to the pocket side and it just felt awkward to me. When/if I ever need it, its only $40 for a freefly handle. Nice name btw... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #14 October 3, 2006 well, if your good and smart and fast and savvy, get the freefly thing. if your a retard just skydiving for social purposes (and trust me, they walk among us) and you can remember what way to "eat the carrot" then get the student rig with the main throwout option on the right or left side in case you forget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jheadley 0 #15 October 3, 2006 I like the freefly handle on my Javelin. It feels more secure than a hackey. Although I do admit it did take me some time to get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #16 October 3, 2006 I like the pud on my container rather than a hackey. Ever just watch people's hackeys when they are moving around in the airplane. It's scary. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brabzzz 0 #17 October 3, 2006 Occasionally you need to whip it out NOW (not a fraction of a second later...eg with a canopy below you or 1500ft coming up on the alti). Maybe there's some wingsuit nylon flapping too. A pad? No thanks. On my next rig I'm just gonna get the gas pipe. Light, distinctive and $30-40 cheaper. A no brainer. --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #18 October 4, 2006 umm. wtf is a hackey? ;P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 October 4, 2006 QuoteOccasionally you need to whip it out NOW (not a fraction of a second later...eg with a canopy below you or 1500ft coming up on the alti). sounds like some retraining is needed both on exit order and separation and altitude awareness..... (sometimes 'stuff' happens, but these shouldn't be on that list) personally, I've never had any trouble with finding the low profile pud. If someone else does, they definitely should consider whatever it takes to avoid issues (training, packing method, or a hackey or something more easier grasped) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yardhippie 0 #20 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P its a round, made of a durable material abut the size of a tangerine. Often looks much like a hackey sack (thus hacky) its used as the item you grab from your B.O.C. to pull your depolyment system (pilot chute, pull-out, etc)Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #21 October 4, 2006 [url "http://www.skydivewings.com/products.html" ] Check 3 picture in the middle [url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #22 October 4, 2006 I read this thread, cause like klafollette, I also have shoulder/reach issues... Interesting subject, and appropriate in an effort to be freefly friendly and Safe.... especially with glove season ( cold weather ) approaching in some places so your post caught my attention, please see below _________________________________________________ Quote well, if your good and smart and fast and savvy, get the freefly thing. if your a retard just skydiving for social purposes (and trust me, they walk among us) ________________________________________________ well i have always been good , try to be smart ,,, likely had savvy in this sport, before you were born, ,,,, and I no longer place such a high emphasis on "fast". I "get " the freefly thing, and love the discipline and those who embrace it, but It's not for me...I have not yet lost the thrill of freefall relative work, and videography, have not been 'burned out' and been looking for a change, have not come into the sport when freefly was already an immediate option, and so, often the choice of the "mountain dew generation" and those more recent to this sport / hobby..which we share. .... I DO skydive for social purposes... and I certainly "walk among us".. but don't you DARE call me a retard......or anyone by that word, for that matter... I hope your post is in jest, and meant to be tongue - in -cheek... but it does little to add to this thread,, except to get Me riled. hahahaha.. anyway if not for 'social purposes' tell us why YOU skydive...Calvin19????? Quote and you can remember what way to "eat the carrot" then get the student rig with the main throwout option on the right or left side in case you forget. what the heck does canopy piloting, understanding of landing patterns and wind speed/direction recognition??? ( windsock reference) have to do with deployment options??? which side to mount the deployment handle is not the issue, but rather what style and shape Handle is best..... .. Your smarmy reply indicates that You're...better than most of us....maybe yes.... maybe No..... p. s. see above sentence for correct use of " your & you're " ... ....geeze that bugs me when people mess that up.... good luck... skydive safely. jmy a 3914 d12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #23 October 4, 2006 ok, that little ball thingie. ;P Im quite new to the sport, seems like mastering all de new words is more of a challenge than the actual skydiving part ;P bag lock, line dump, hackey sack, D bag, horseshoe, hard pull, pilot chute in tow... hehehe. Most I could find or discover myself but that annoying hackey word had not come to me yet ;P thx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cHoDaBoY 0 #24 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P That what you americans call it, HACKEY. In canada we call it hockey, its a sport on ice with sticks and a puck. You silly americans will never be able to say it properly! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CygnusX-1 42 #25 October 4, 2006 Shouldn't you be speaking in French, not English? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Calvin19 0 #14 October 3, 2006 well, if your good and smart and fast and savvy, get the freefly thing. if your a retard just skydiving for social purposes (and trust me, they walk among us) and you can remember what way to "eat the carrot" then get the student rig with the main throwout option on the right or left side in case you forget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jheadley 0 #15 October 3, 2006 I like the freefly handle on my Javelin. It feels more secure than a hackey. Although I do admit it did take me some time to get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 October 3, 2006 I like the pud on my container rather than a hackey. Ever just watch people's hackeys when they are moving around in the airplane. It's scary. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabzzz 0 #17 October 3, 2006 Occasionally you need to whip it out NOW (not a fraction of a second later...eg with a canopy below you or 1500ft coming up on the alti). Maybe there's some wingsuit nylon flapping too. A pad? No thanks. On my next rig I'm just gonna get the gas pipe. Light, distinctive and $30-40 cheaper. A no brainer. --------------------------------------- Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club www.skydivebristoluni.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #18 October 4, 2006 umm. wtf is a hackey? ;P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 October 4, 2006 QuoteOccasionally you need to whip it out NOW (not a fraction of a second later...eg with a canopy below you or 1500ft coming up on the alti). sounds like some retraining is needed both on exit order and separation and altitude awareness..... (sometimes 'stuff' happens, but these shouldn't be on that list) personally, I've never had any trouble with finding the low profile pud. If someone else does, they definitely should consider whatever it takes to avoid issues (training, packing method, or a hackey or something more easier grasped) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #20 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P its a round, made of a durable material abut the size of a tangerine. Often looks much like a hackey sack (thus hacky) its used as the item you grab from your B.O.C. to pull your depolyment system (pilot chute, pull-out, etc)Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #21 October 4, 2006 [url "http://www.skydivewings.com/products.html" ] Check 3 picture in the middle [url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #22 October 4, 2006 I read this thread, cause like klafollette, I also have shoulder/reach issues... Interesting subject, and appropriate in an effort to be freefly friendly and Safe.... especially with glove season ( cold weather ) approaching in some places so your post caught my attention, please see below _________________________________________________ Quote well, if your good and smart and fast and savvy, get the freefly thing. if your a retard just skydiving for social purposes (and trust me, they walk among us) ________________________________________________ well i have always been good , try to be smart ,,, likely had savvy in this sport, before you were born, ,,,, and I no longer place such a high emphasis on "fast". I "get " the freefly thing, and love the discipline and those who embrace it, but It's not for me...I have not yet lost the thrill of freefall relative work, and videography, have not been 'burned out' and been looking for a change, have not come into the sport when freefly was already an immediate option, and so, often the choice of the "mountain dew generation" and those more recent to this sport / hobby..which we share. .... I DO skydive for social purposes... and I certainly "walk among us".. but don't you DARE call me a retard......or anyone by that word, for that matter... I hope your post is in jest, and meant to be tongue - in -cheek... but it does little to add to this thread,, except to get Me riled. hahahaha.. anyway if not for 'social purposes' tell us why YOU skydive...Calvin19????? Quote and you can remember what way to "eat the carrot" then get the student rig with the main throwout option on the right or left side in case you forget. what the heck does canopy piloting, understanding of landing patterns and wind speed/direction recognition??? ( windsock reference) have to do with deployment options??? which side to mount the deployment handle is not the issue, but rather what style and shape Handle is best..... .. Your smarmy reply indicates that You're...better than most of us....maybe yes.... maybe No..... p. s. see above sentence for correct use of " your & you're " ... ....geeze that bugs me when people mess that up.... good luck... skydive safely. jmy a 3914 d12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #23 October 4, 2006 ok, that little ball thingie. ;P Im quite new to the sport, seems like mastering all de new words is more of a challenge than the actual skydiving part ;P bag lock, line dump, hackey sack, D bag, horseshoe, hard pull, pilot chute in tow... hehehe. Most I could find or discover myself but that annoying hackey word had not come to me yet ;P thx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cHoDaBoY 0 #24 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P That what you americans call it, HACKEY. In canada we call it hockey, its a sport on ice with sticks and a puck. You silly americans will never be able to say it properly! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CygnusX-1 42 #25 October 4, 2006 Shouldn't you be speaking in French, not English? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
sparkie 0 #23 October 4, 2006 ok, that little ball thingie. ;P Im quite new to the sport, seems like mastering all de new words is more of a challenge than the actual skydiving part ;P bag lock, line dump, hackey sack, D bag, horseshoe, hard pull, pilot chute in tow... hehehe. Most I could find or discover myself but that annoying hackey word had not come to me yet ;P thx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cHoDaBoY 0 #24 October 4, 2006 Quoteumm. wtf is a hackey? ;P That what you americans call it, HACKEY. In canada we call it hockey, its a sport on ice with sticks and a puck. You silly americans will never be able to say it properly! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CygnusX-1 42 #25 October 4, 2006 Shouldn't you be speaking in French, not English? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
