riddler 0 #26 January 27, 2003 I was envisioning more of a cube-type shape - I guess from the word "block". I guess that would be kinda hard to pack. It looks like there's only a small lump that sticks out, and you have to use thumb-pressure to keep your grip on it? How hard is this, relative to using a loop?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #27 January 27, 2003 Mine are cubes...you just rest two fingers over the top and when you are ready...pull!!! when you are done...just let them slide off. No fuss, no muss!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #28 January 27, 2003 QuoteI was envisioning more of a cube-type shape - I guess from the word "block". I guess that would be kinda hard to pack. It looks like there's only a small lump that sticks out, and you have to use thumb-pressure to keep your grip on it? How hard is this, relative to using a loop? My blocks might be aftermarket mods put on by a previous owner, I'm not really sure. It's definitely easier to use my blocks than it is to use just riser, and harder than loops (which I've only used twice). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #29 January 27, 2003 Thanks Indyz, I'm still having trouble seeing how this helps with the use of the risers. Just gives you something solid to hold onto I guess. Hmm, Interesting My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #30 January 27, 2003 I have mini risers on both rigs. On my Vector there are dive loops, and on the Javelin there are, um, well, I have no idea what to call them! It looks like someone took a bicycle innertube and sliced it down the middle, wrapped it around the riser, and stitched it in place. In comparing both, I prefer the "innertube". Easier to grab without looking up, and awsome grip power, not to mention when you let go of it, there is no chance of getting stuck!It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #31 January 27, 2003 I haven't made a jump in months due to cold weather, but I've been having trouble adjusting my toggles to work well with my dive loops. I've got them let out now as far as they will go and am still experiencing bucking problems when I use my front risers. I think the problem may be that my dive loops are too low. I presently have at least five inches of slack in my toggle lines. I was thinking maybe I should have some dive blocks sewn above where the dive loops are at now. And maybe having the dive loops removed. Does any of this make sense? I need to make some more jumps on this set up though, before I make any changes, such as looking up and see what's happening when I make a front riser turn. I'd sure appreciate any imput. Thanks, Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #32 January 27, 2003 well for me front riser turns DONT happen. The bus I drive(210) doesnt like those turns...it prefers to LIFT me out of my harness if I pull down on them. Yep. I can do psuedo pull-ups while In my harness! then If I wanna pull me legs in I can get a good stomach work out, too! its like a home workout center; only you cant use it at home...My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #33 January 27, 2003 That's one "other" use for the suspended harness at the dz ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #34 January 27, 2003 HAHAHA!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #35 January 27, 2003 Man, what a debate this has stirred up. First off, if you have problems getting your fingers or hand out of a dive loop maybe you should reconsider your need to use these devices. If you feel you are indeed quite competent at using these devices but don't like the idea that your hand/fingers might get caught or have gotten caught, I recommend this, just do like everyone did before someone thought up loops/blocks and just use the riser itself to do your riser turn. You have nothing to worry about getting caught on or being unable to release when you grab a handful of riser either thumb up or thumb down. As long as the muscles in your arm don't freeze up all you have to do is open your hand to release the riser and fly your canopy in with toggles to flair. If the idea of pulling on a riser without the aid of a loop/block sounds too hard then I suggest you hit the gym a bit more. There, now wasn't that an easy fix. "It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #36 January 27, 2003 Personally I'd check out a few things first. Like what is the actual riser length, too long? Could be that if you have a set-up that was taylored for another canopy; your risers could be suspect. Loop position after that. The next thing is maybe 5 inches isn't enough, (or at least thats what she told me...?) on the matter of steering lines on your canopy. Another thing, how deep on the front does this phenomenon begin to materialize. You could use a rough guesstimation from that point to explore a steering line/riser length equation for your canopy. As you seem well aware, the steering lines are ultimately the culprit of the bucking in the front riser displacement. Geez, just be grateful you don't have blocks! .-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #37 January 28, 2003 Get both! they're cheap to put on. Then decide which to keep after a lengthly personal performance evaluation. Glen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outlaw 0 #38 March 15, 2010 I recently (04/03/2010 Tempe, RSA) broke my pelvis in 4 places because I couldn't get my left hand out the front riser dive loop at flare time. I had experimented with straight front riser pulls above 1000', but forgotten to take my left hand out. I merely continued a long downwind leg, 180 hook with right toggle, all perfect - except forgot left hand was still in dive loop. I sincerely wish I'd read these articles earlier, as it was the first time I've read/heard of this being an issue :(Blue Skies! Outlaw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #39 March 15, 2010 Quoteget dive blocks!!! I hate dive loops. I wear gloves a lot doing aff & 4 way and I have had some mishaps with getting my hands in/out of dive loops...dive blocks, dive blocks, dive blocks!!! Try using toggles, I had small wooden toggles sown onto the risers and for me they worked much better than loops Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #40 March 15, 2010 I neverr have more than two fingers in my dive loops....easy to let go of the loops , and Never let go of the toggles!And I have filmed a Lot of Crew, where you can spend half the dive using the loops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
