Salsa_John 0 #26 March 9, 2005 I had many off heading opens. I switched to a spectre and have better performance, softer opens on heading, and better accuracy on landing as well. my 2c "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #27 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuote I think it's body position or packing (they are encouraging me not to psycho pack anymore)... Everytime I hear that PD suggests that someone not psycho pack I want to SCREAM! Folks, that packing method does not cause deployment problems. Period. For years I've been hearing "PD says I shouldn't pack like that..." There is NO deployment problem created by psycho packing. I have too much research, experience, and data to the contrary. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, and go fix a damn drink to calm down! i have got quite a bit experience with psyco pack also. beezy i think it was you who tought it to me years ago when asc first opened. psycopacking isnt going to cause a dive off heading after a snivel. what IS going to cause it is an elliptical canopy. it is perfectly normal to have off heading openings on performance sport canopies. you want an on heading opening? get a spectre. less performance and nice soft on heading openings. if everyone wants to jump canopies that perform better, your going to have to deal with some issues like this.. now to help you fix this, make it open faster. that will help. pull the slider to the tail. dont roll the nose. if you do roll the nose roll 4 cells on each side inwards toward the center cell and leave the center cell open. this still could cause off heading openings though.. canopies that are new need to be broken in also. lines are much slicker and the slider comes down faster when they are new. im betting you after you put 100 jumps on the canopy, you will be very pleased with how it opens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #28 March 10, 2005 buy an Icarus, and be done with ti!-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #29 March 10, 2005 or you can stick with some of the best service in the industry Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #30 March 10, 2005 To sum things up: Spectre -- opens great, flies poorly, good resale value. Sabre2 -- opens poorly, flies great, good resale value. Crossfire -- opens great, flies great, poor resale value. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #31 March 10, 2005 Pilot: opens great, flies great, I dont want to sell it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #32 March 10, 2005 QuoteTo sum things up: Spectre -- opens great, flies poorly, good resale value. Sabre2 -- opens poorly, flies great, good resale value. Crossfire -- opens great, flies great, poor resale value. lol.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spoons 0 #33 March 10, 2005 sabre 2 opens poorly?! I've jumped a sabre2 and opened great, my brother has about 400 jumps on them and both his sabre2's have always opened great I guess poor body positioning on opening could cause it to have an off heading but that's true for any canopy Just what i've heard and experienced Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #34 March 10, 2005 QuoteCrossfire -- opens great, flies great, poor resale value. I've had absolutly no problem getting my money back when I've sold my crossfires in the past (albeit the were all "2s") Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #35 March 11, 2005 QuoteTo sum things up: Spectre -- opens great, flies poorly, good resale value. Sabre2 -- opens poorly, flies great, good resale value. Crossfire -- opens great, flies great, poor resale value. I have had no problems with either of my sabre 2s. I have owned a 190 and currenly own a 170 and mostly jump them with a wingsuit. The only time it opened kinda hard was when I dumped in a very steep track(no wingsuit)....but that is to be expected. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #36 March 11, 2005 QuoteI have had 2 extrememly hard openings on it that made me get physical therapy. The first one tore my pectoral muscle, the last one was a couple of weekends ago where I basically got whiplash. Hmmm...sounds like the original Sabre.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 26 #37 March 11, 2005 QuoteQuoteI have had 2 extrememly hard openings on it that made me get physical therapy. The first one tore my pectoral muscle, the last one was a couple of weekends ago where I basically got whiplash. Hmmm...sounds like the original Sabre. To answer in Andrea's place and stop the confusion, it was a Sabre 2 in her case.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #38 March 11, 2005 QuoteTo answer in Andrea's place and stop the confusion, it was a Sabre 2 in her case. Correct. It's also important to know that PD took the canopy back and are rectifiying the issue. Just another reason I'm such a staunch PD supporter. Even if they get it wrong, they'll do whatever it takes to make it right. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 35 #39 March 11, 2005 QuoteJust another reason I'm such a staunch PD supporter. Even if they get it wrong, they'll do whatever it takes to make it right. Absolutely! The people at PD and the customer service I'm getting continues to overwhelm me. They are in the process of making me a new canopy now. I'm thrilled! I also feel a little redeemed that it wasn't my body position or packing after all!She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #40 March 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteTo answer in Andrea's place and stop the confusion, it was a Sabre 2 in her case. Correct. It's also important to know that PD took the canopy back and are rectifiying the issue. Just another reason I'm such a staunch PD supporter. Even if they get it wrong, they'll do whatever it takes to make it right. Blues, Ian I had hard openings on my Stiletto for hundreds of jumps (including one that caused a minor chest injury). That prompted me to send it in to PD to be examined. They never admitted it had a problem, but it came back with a bigger slider! It's been fine ever since.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #41 March 13, 2005 QuoteQuote I think it's body position or packing (they are encouraging me not to psycho pack anymore)... Everytime I hear that PD suggests that someone not psycho pack I want to SCREAM! Folks, that packing method does not cause deployment problems. Period. For years I've been hearing "PD says I shouldn't pack like that..." There is NO deployment problem created by psycho packing. I have too much research, experience, and data to the contrary. OK, I'll get off my soapbox now, and go fix a damn drink to calm down! I just my Sabre 170 for the first time on Saturday, did 2 jumps, both of which I psychoed pack. They were the best openings I ever had. I was worried about getting spanked, but they were great. I guess PD are concerned with psycho packing because they haven't done much (if any) testing with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncrowe 0 #42 March 13, 2005 Sabre2 or Sabre.....people seem to enjoy confuzing the two... "Don't Mess Around With the Guy in Shades- Oh No!!! " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #44 March 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteTo sum things up: Spectre -- opens great, flies poorly, good resale value. Sabre2 -- opens poorly, flies great, good resale value. Crossfire -- opens great, flies great, poor resale value. I have had no problems with either of my sabre 2s. I have owned a 190 and currenly own a 170 and mostly jump them with a wingsuit. The only time it opened kinda hard was when I dumped in a very steep track(no wingsuit)....but that is to be expected. Kris. rmsmith: really? My new Sabre2 170 opens like BUTTAH! and not off heading at all..everything about it is awesome..but perhaps I just lucked out with one that was made differently than yours..I dunno *shrug* ..however my Sabre2 190 did have slight off heading openings (which I felt was my body position at deployment and a few other factors) and end cell closures..regardless Sabre2 canopys have given me great flight, controllability, and safe landings _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrenspooner 0 #45 March 14, 2005 Interesting that this thread goes on and on. Couple of people say to loosen the chest strap. I got a lovely new fully articulated odyssey, and an instructor told me to tighten the chest strap and let the stainless steel do its job. But I have also had the slider getting stuck about a 1/3 of the way up. How should I be wearing my harness? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #46 March 14, 2005 I know that I would wear my chest strap tight. I occationally have slider hangups on my sabre2 as well (as well as the occasional off heading opening...) but usually with a tap on the risers my slider works its way down to me (the canopy has just about 100 jumps on it... and I haven't had hang ups for the last 20 or so jumps.) I account my off heading openings to lack of experience in packing which hopefully will improve as I gain experience and packing knowledge... Scott ---------------------------------------------------------Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
