BillyVance 34 #1 April 18, 2013 WOW! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ROrpKx3aIjA That's one for a future "Destroyed In Seconds" episode!"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #2 April 18, 2013 If we banned fertilizer then everyone would have to grow organic which would be healthier and better for the environment but that's pinko so never mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #3 April 18, 2013 I'm afraid we'd starve trying to match current food production levels with organic methods, wouldn't we? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #4 April 18, 2013 We'd probably just reduce endemic American obesity. Win-win. Besides, this isn't about eliminating fertilizer, it's about banning it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #5 April 18, 2013 Quote We'd probably just reduce endemic American obesity. Win-win. And cure much of the 3rd world of its rampant over population. Back on thread, terrible accident. Not unheard of in the fertilizer business. A ship of fertilizer blew up in Galveston in 1947, killing well over 500 people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 177 #6 April 18, 2013 Reminded me of this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #7 April 18, 2013 Most non-rural people probably don't realize that the (broad) agriculture industry is one of the most hazardous environments to work in. Tragedies like this bring that home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #8 April 18, 2013 Quote WOW! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ROrpKx3aIjA That's one for a future "Destroyed In Seconds" episode! That was a pretty shitty thing to say.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #9 April 18, 2013 Quote Reminded me of this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster holy shit "killed at least 581 people, including all but one member of the Texas City fire department" never heard of this beforeYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #10 April 18, 2013 Quote Quote Reminded me of this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster holy shit "killed at least 581 people, including all but one member of the Texas City fire department" never heard of this before Maybe because you weren't born yet? 2300 tons of ammonium nitrate? Sounds about right. That explosion makes this recent one look like a firecracker in comparison. In this case, 25 tons of anhydrous ammonia was involved. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #11 April 18, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Reminded me of this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster holy shit "killed at least 581 people, including all but one member of the Texas City fire department" never heard of this before Maybe because you weren't born yet? 2300 tons of ammonium nitrate? Sounds about right. That explosion makes this recent one look like a firecracker in comparison. In this case, 25 tons of anhydrous ammonia was involved. Something doesn't smell just right about this.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #12 April 18, 2013 QuoteSomething doesn't smell just right about this. No "Smoking Gun" here. No terrorism, I can guarantee you in the upcoming investigation there will be a conclusion of poor facilities and management. That is a very old facility. They should never have placed it where they did, in the middle of neighborhoods and nursing homes. Keep Boston & West, Texas in your prayers.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #13 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteSomething doesn't smell just right about this. No "Smoking Gun" here. No terrorism, I can guarantee you in the upcoming investigation there will be a conclusion of poor facilities and management. That is a very old facility. They should never have placed it where they did, in the middle of neighborhoods and nursing homes. Keep Boston & West, Texas in your prayers. I looked at google maps, and couldn't figure out where it was. I did notice the football stadium that was used as a triage location... gotta look something up...."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #14 April 18, 2013 West, Texas is approx 20-25 miles north of Waco. Off of Hwy 35 I believe. I found it I'll look it up again and post the URL, I'll be back.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #15 April 18, 2013 QuoteWest, Texas is approx 20-25 miles north of Waco. Off of Hwy 35 I believe. I found it I'll look it up again and post the URL, I'll be back. No worries... I found it. Was looking in the wrong place in town. right next to West Middle School. At the northeast edge of town."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,394 #16 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteWest, Texas is approx 20-25 miles north of Waco. Off of Hwy 35 I believe. I found it I'll look it up again and post the URL, I'll be back. No worries... I found it. Was looking in the wrong place in town. right next to West Middle School. At the northeast edge of town. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=west+,+tx&hl=en&ll=31.815962,-97.088011&spn=0.004463,0.00486&sll=38.997934,-105.550567&sspn=8.355368,9.953613&t=h&hnear=West,+McLennan,+Texas&z=18"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 177 #17 April 18, 2013 Early reports said the FD was there for a small fire before the explosion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #18 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteWest, Texas is approx 20-25 miles north of Waco. Off of Hwy 35 I believe. I found it I'll look it up again and post the URL, I'll be back. No worries... I found it. Was looking in the wrong place in town. right next to West Middle School. At the northeast edge of town. The middle school is destroyed, as is the nursing home, apartment complex and most of the homes near the plant. It isn't that the plant shouldn't have been built there, it is that the surrounding town shouldn't have built up around the plant. Last unconfirmed numbers I saw said 6 firefighters, 2 EMS and 1 police officer killed in the blast. It was a working fire before the explosion. Honestly I'm surprised it was a working fire and not an immediate evacuation drill for the town once it caught on fire, there just may not have been enough time. For first responders there are premise notes for stuff like this. Many times for critical incidents, like a large structure fire at a dangerous goods manufacturing/storage facility, those premise notes will say "set a perimeter X number of feet away and evacuate surrounding buildings." That X is sometimes in the thousands of feet, sometimes that X is in miles.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #19 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteSomething doesn't smell just right about this. No "Smoking Gun" here. No terrorism, I can guarantee you in the upcoming investigation there will be a conclusion of poor facilities and management. That is a very old facility. They should never have placed it where they did, in the middle of neighborhoods and nursing homes. Keep Boston & West, Texas in your prayers. I bet Jack Schitz entire family was living there.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #20 April 18, 2013 "West Fertilizer" has a bad safety history. They were fined, and shut down in 2006 for a "Lingering Amonia Smell" This is the same substance Timothy McVeigh used to blow up the Murry building in Oklahoma way back when. Sad deal is there's Looting going on, hmph..."Every dog has his day" I'm on my way to help those guys out, I'll try to keep ya'll updated with .jpegs and posts if I can, I'm gone.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #21 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteWest, Texas is approx 20-25 miles north of Waco. Off of Hwy 35 I believe. I found it I'll look it up again and post the URL, I'll be back. No worries... I found it. Was looking in the wrong place in town. right next to West Middle School. At the northeast edge of town. The middle school is destroyed, as is the nursing home, apartment complex and most of the homes near the plant. It isn't that the plant shouldn't have been built there, it is that the surrounding town shouldn't have built up around the plant. Last unconfirmed numbers I saw said 6 firefighters, 2 EMS and 1 police officer killed in the blast. It was a working fire before the explosion. Honestly I'm surprised it was a working fire and not an immediate evacuation drill for the town once it caught on fire, there just may not have been enough time. For first responders there are premise notes for stuff like this. Many times for critical incidents, like a large structure fire at a dangerous goods manufacturing/storage facility, those premise notes will say "set a perimeter X number of feet away and evacuate surrounding buildings." That X is sometimes in the thousands of feet, sometimes that X is in miles. No doubt here that there are going to be some hard questions needing answers on why this happened."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #22 April 18, 2013 QuoteThis is the same substance Timothy McVeigh used to blow up the Murry building in Oklahoma way back when. No, it's not. Anhydrous ammonia is not the same as Ammonium Nitrate.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,394 #23 April 18, 2013 Quote Quote This is the same substance Timothy McVeigh used to blow up the Murry building in Oklahoma way back when. No, it's not. Anhydrous ammonia is not the same as Ammonium Nitrate. Now I'm confused; Which should I use in my laundry?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 April 18, 2013 Quote Quote Quote This is the same substance Timothy McVeigh used to blow up the Murry building in Oklahoma way back when. No, it's not. Anhydrous ammonia is not the same as Ammonium Nitrate. Now I'm confused; Which should I use in my laundry? Ammonium and Nitrous Oxide? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chedlin 0 #25 April 18, 2013 Quote No, it's not. Anhydrous ammonia is not the same as Ammonium Nitrate. I've read they had both anhydrous ammonia and nitric acid for the purposes of producing ammonium nitrate. We'll just have to wait for the investigation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
