format 0 #1 February 4, 2013 So... the other day, this guy called me asking for input on how safely to disconnect his RSL. As a matter of fact, his private issues aren't so private anymore, therefore I tend to believe he's in for a suicide (no AAD also). Inglorious bastard as I am, a plan is to wait for a DZ meet, disclose his intentions (in my opinion) and then watch what happens. Any subtle suggestion? think about it for twelve minutes If there's anything unsettling to the stomach, it's watching actors on television talk about their personal lives. - Marlon Brando Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #2 February 4, 2013 Just because the guy asked how to disconnect his RSL? There are legitimate reasons for not having an RSL connected just as there are times when it might be in your best interest to switch off your AAD. Have a better reason to confront him on the concept of suicide? Fine. Confront him. If not, find out what his reasoning is for wanting to disconnect it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 0 #3 February 4, 2013 For the sake of sharing ideas, try to believe it is true concern of mine. Of coarse I've informed the right folks about it but I am sharing this as it may happen to anybody, anywhere and I'm not deaf to alternative suggestion. Yes, internet forum should be the last place for seeking especially this kind of advice. Nevertheless I'm still doing it.What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Polite 0 #4 February 4, 2013 If you really believe this maybe you should talk to him before instead of just waiting at the dz for him. What if he goes to a different dz? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 0 #5 February 4, 2013 QuoteWhat if he goes to a different dz? When I confront him to all of us around, I guess he won't be allowed to jump without AAD and the word will spread. I never said he's a friend of mine. Going in accidentally - it's O.K. but intentionally - exactly the opposite, I hate those people. That's sacrilege.What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Polite 0 #6 February 4, 2013 Ah yes because an AAD will save his life Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #7 February 4, 2013 QuoteQuoteWhat if he goes to a different dz? When I confront him to all of us around, I guess he won't be allowed to jump without AAD and the word will spread. I never said he's a friend of mine. Going in accidentally - it's O.K. but intentionally - exactly the opposite, I hate those people. That's sacrilege. Hate's a pretty strong word when a little bit of compassion could go a long way here for someone who is (apparently) troubled/sick enough to be considering taking his own life. So the DZ (or DZs) say "you can't jump without an AAD." Fine, he leaves it in and turns it off. They say "you need an RSL." Fine, he disconnects it on jump run. If, as you seem to believe, this guy wants to commit suicide by skydiving, you'd probably have much better results getting him some help than trying to "attack" the methods you suspect he'll use."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 February 4, 2013 QuoteFor the sake of sharing ideas, try to believe it is true concern of mine. Of coarse I've informed the right folks about it but I am sharing this as it may happen to anybody, anywhere and I'm not deaf to alternative suggestion. If someone is in crisis they will find a way. I've had to deal with the before, during and aftermath of similar (although not skydiving) situations, more than a few times. It sucks for everyone. In Texas I would tell you to call the crisis hotline and explain the situation to them for direction and advice to help this person. In your state I can only assume something similar exists.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 0 #9 February 5, 2013 Thank You all, for your comments. This way or that way, he won't be allowed to mess with our groovy DZ times. No compassion on my side (in this case). What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #10 February 5, 2013 Quote No compassion on my side (in this case). That much is obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonym3505 0 #11 February 5, 2013 If you are concerned for him I suggest you either talk to him or talk with a good friend or family member of his. I don't recommend going straight to asking about suicide, just ask him how he's doing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chemfx 0 #12 February 5, 2013 sound to me like what u care bout is that he don't go and mess up a weekend of jumping for ya? u might want to change your sig line. Don't look like u have even offered any help if he is thinking of suicide, as u claim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo 11 #13 February 5, 2013 RSL and an AAD are not guaranteed to save his life. He could dump the reserve at 6K and get busy with a hook knife. I like the idea of getting him to work with a crisis unit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 0 #14 February 5, 2013 No, no, I won't bother you all, with what I did and how much time we all spent trying to help. (approx. a lot of) But using DZ? No way with me around. edit: and my sig line is, as always, exactly appropriateWhat goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #15 February 5, 2013 I don't have an AAD or use an RSL, doesn't mean I'm trying to kill myself. What's got ME scratchin' my head is how exactly having an operational RSL precludes one from committing suicide? Lose the AAD & no-pull...or just take the rig OFF in freefall - it's been done before. Hopefully it's nothing...IF you have real concerns why wait? On the off chance this guy really wants to make his mark on the world by bringing negative attention to 'our thing'... do everybody a favor and road block THAT bullshit. Unfortunately, if somebody is motivated enough to see it through - they can probably find a way to 'go in' no matter what you try to do. If you find yourself in that situation where you did what you could, but they got what they wanted...always remember ~ First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jono 0 #16 February 5, 2013 Do you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. With no AAD, all you would have to do is not pull! Maybe he was interested in a bit of CReW work on the next jump with a mate. People like you with no compassion for fellow human being that is struggling with depression only add to their feelings of being alone in the world with nobody to care. Instead of being worried about whether your dropzone may come under investigation from a suicide jumper, how about you worry that a fellow jumper MAY be feeling so low that he COULD end it all and do something by TALKING to him. Who knows, you MAY just save a life AND prevent your precious DZ from an investigation at the same time. Remember you don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop laughing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #17 February 5, 2013 I'm confused. How did he get through ground school without learning how to disconnect the RSL, and why does it matter? If the AAD is not on (or not present) just don't throw the pilot and you burn in. RSL is immaterial.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #18 February 5, 2013 QuoteI guess he won't be allowed to jump without AAD Which can easily be turned off (RIP Harley). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #19 February 5, 2013 Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. ROne Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #20 February 5, 2013 QuoteDo you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. Quote It happens quite often that suicides give clues that are not recognized as such. Format, knowing the guys private side, may have just picked up on a real clue. You guys can offer limitless suggestions on "what I would do" but you are not there...format is. Regardless of your "Take" on the situation format IS concerned...about both him and the sport.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #21 February 5, 2013 Quote Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. R Think ~ wallet, watch, car keys...gold fillings... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #22 February 5, 2013 Quote Quote Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. R Think ~ wallet, watch, car keys...gold fillings... You forgot rings and earlobe studs. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites topdocker 0 #23 February 5, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. R Think ~ wallet, watch, car keys...gold fillings... You forgot rings and earlobe studs. I think all the good stuff is back in the gear bag, and waaayyy easier to get! topJump more, post less! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NewGuy2005 51 #24 February 6, 2013 QuoteQuoteDo you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. Quote It happens quite often that suicides give clues that are not recognized as such. Format, knowing the guys private side, may have just picked up on a real clue. You guys can offer limitless suggestions on "what I would do" but you are not there...format is. Regardless of your "Take" on the situation format IS concerned...about both him and the sport. Which all begs the question: What is the purpose of all this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mr_Polite 0 #25 February 6, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. Quote It happens quite often that suicides give clues that are not recognized as such. Format, knowing the guys private side, may have just picked up on a real clue. You guys can offer limitless suggestions on "what I would do" but you are not there...format is. Regardless of your "Take" on the situation format IS concerned...about both him and the sport. Which all begs the question: What is the purpose of all this? Purpose? Man, you're on Dizzy dot com! There IS no purpose here! The main purpose of dz.com is to prevent people with less than 200 jumps from using go-pros. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing × Sign In Sign Up Forums Dropzones Classifieds Gear Indoor Articles Photos Videos Calendar Stolen Fatalities Leaderboard Activity Back Activity All Activity My Activity Streams Unread Content Content I Started
airtwardo 6 #21 February 5, 2013 Quote Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. R Think ~ wallet, watch, car keys...gold fillings... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #22 February 5, 2013 Quote Quote Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. R Think ~ wallet, watch, car keys...gold fillings... You forgot rings and earlobe studs. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topdocker 0 #23 February 5, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Hi Mr T Quote First one to the crater gets all the good stuff. Second time I heard that oneRather than go crater divng for gear I would prefer the gear bag thats left in packing area or the last car in the parking lot at the end of the day. R Think ~ wallet, watch, car keys...gold fillings... You forgot rings and earlobe studs. I think all the good stuff is back in the gear bag, and waaayyy easier to get! topJump more, post less! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 51 #24 February 6, 2013 QuoteQuoteDo you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. Quote It happens quite often that suicides give clues that are not recognized as such. Format, knowing the guys private side, may have just picked up on a real clue. You guys can offer limitless suggestions on "what I would do" but you are not there...format is. Regardless of your "Take" on the situation format IS concerned...about both him and the sport. Which all begs the question: What is the purpose of all this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mr_Polite 0 #25 February 6, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. Quote It happens quite often that suicides give clues that are not recognized as such. Format, knowing the guys private side, may have just picked up on a real clue. You guys can offer limitless suggestions on "what I would do" but you are not there...format is. Regardless of your "Take" on the situation format IS concerned...about both him and the sport. Which all begs the question: What is the purpose of all this? Purpose? Man, you're on Dizzy dot com! There IS no purpose here! The main purpose of dz.com is to prevent people with less than 200 jumps from using go-pros. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Mr_Polite 0 #25 February 6, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you really think that a person looking to suicide would ask for a safe way to disconnect their RSL. Quote It happens quite often that suicides give clues that are not recognized as such. Format, knowing the guys private side, may have just picked up on a real clue. You guys can offer limitless suggestions on "what I would do" but you are not there...format is. Regardless of your "Take" on the situation format IS concerned...about both him and the sport. Which all begs the question: What is the purpose of all this? Purpose? Man, you're on Dizzy dot com! There IS no purpose here! The main purpose of dz.com is to prevent people with less than 200 jumps from using go-pros. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
