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QuoteYou are responsible for your own decisions! But I feel it is a little arrogant to believe you are in control of your life.
Well put! Our decisions are usualy based on incomplete and unreliable information. At best we are managing risks, at worst we are rolling the dice. It is a lot of fun, but having crooked dice really helps in the end
bsbd!
Yuri.
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However, I have noticed that the best BASE jumpers have something physiologically superior to the average BASE jumper. And that may either be the luck of the draw, a tolerance for adrenaline, or the mental ability to harness fear into something useful.
If you have time to panic ,you have to to do something more productive!
Word!
~J
-Edited because I thought I was reading one of Fabers' posts
"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
"There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act"
"There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act"
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Quote-Edited because I thought I was reading one of Fabers' posts
which often let you think over things as you´ll need to guess half of what i write
he he
Stay safe
Stefan Faber
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...It is the decisions that a BASE jumper makes that tends to make their perception of the sport and participation within it "relatively unsafe"....
>>That is so true. It's almost like as you grow in the sport, and things are go well time and time again, it seems to erode your judgement to the point where you think you can get away with anything.
>>Your confidence (or hubris) grows till you're trying things that you look back on after reality has smashed you apart and go "What the hell was I thinking?". It seems to me that in BASE, the biggest threat to your life you face is you.
QuoteIs it just a statistical blip when someone survives 1000 BASE jumps or does it tell you something about that person?
Most problems can be avoided - being prudent about winds, choosing objects more tolerant of opening heading, picking objects with landing areas within your comfort zone, having good body position, packing carefully and consistently, choosing the right gear, maintaining your gear, staying current so you maximize the chances of actually doing all that.
Sometimes things happen - you open off heading, you loose a toggle, winds at altitude don't match those on the ground or exit point. You can often deal with it. Having a plan beforehand makes that more likely.
People make mistakes so sometimes we do the wrong thing.
Sometimes random things happen that you can't deal with.
Most of it's the person, some of it's luck.
read ratiocination
-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --
-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --
gus 1
I started this thread over a year ago (check the date of the first post), before I started jumping, so it's quite interesting to read it back now that I have a couple of jumps.
I started jumping on the premise that I could have a direct and significant influence on my odds of survival in this sport. 61 jumps on and largely I still believe that's the case. What I think I realise better now than I did a year ago is that being a safe jumper may not be enough to save you. I had a friend who I considered a real role model in the considered and thoughtful way he approached and performed his jumps - and it didn't save him
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Gus
I started jumping on the premise that I could have a direct and significant influence on my odds of survival in this sport. 61 jumps on and largely I still believe that's the case. What I think I realise better now than I did a year ago is that being a safe jumper may not be enough to save you. I had a friend who I considered a real role model in the considered and thoughtful way he approached and performed his jumps - and it didn't save him
. Gus
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Hi Yuri
Perhaps my comment was arrogant.
That happens when the list of the dearly departed increases too quickly and you want it to slow down.
"Our decisions are usualy based on incomplete and unreliable information"
Your comment above sums it up. The point I was trying to make is that a lot of the information is available (not all of course) and that many of us choose not to find that information and assimilate it into our risk management strategies.
I agree, there are many factors that affect our lives that we can't control. But there are heaps that people don't try to control too. I would like to see jumpers control as many factors as possible whilst at the same time having fun, acheiving goals, etc.
p.s. and yes, you are correct, we all love rolling the dice occassionally.
CYA up there somewhere.
Perhaps my comment was arrogant.
That happens when the list of the dearly departed increases too quickly and you want it to slow down.
"Our decisions are usualy based on incomplete and unreliable information"
Your comment above sums it up. The point I was trying to make is that a lot of the information is available (not all of course) and that many of us choose not to find that information and assimilate it into our risk management strategies.
I agree, there are many factors that affect our lives that we can't control. But there are heaps that people don't try to control too. I would like to see jumpers control as many factors as possible whilst at the same time having fun, acheiving goals, etc.
p.s. and yes, you are correct, we all love rolling the dice occassionally.
CYA up there somewhere.
Stay Safe - Have Fun - Good Luck
The above could be crap, thought provoking, useful, or . . But not personal. You decide.
The above could be crap, thought provoking, useful, or . . But not personal. You decide.
TomAiello 25
In my opinion, the way to best deal with approximating this risk is to stand down when you can see enough variables that the situation has an outcome variability outside your personal risk envelope.
In other words, there comes a time when the "I don't know" is big enough that I'm just going to walk away. That's my last, best and only way to have 100% control of the outcome.
In other words, there comes a time when the "I don't know" is big enough that I'm just going to walk away. That's my last, best and only way to have 100% control of the outcome.
To be safe, you wouldn't BASE jump. By definition, you must BASE jump to be a BASE jumper.
The rule for accidents is the rule of threes. Bad conditions multiply. Let's say you go to a jump and something's not right and you say "no biggie, it probably won't matter." Well, by the time you do this three times in a row, you've set yourself up for an accident.
Also, sometimes when things are going really bad, frequently the best thing to do is to accept it and go with it. People get killed or badly hurt trying to avoid the inevitable. For example, flipping your car trying to avoid a moderate crash.
Our skills come through when things go the crap. This is where mental preparation is essential. Think of all the worst cases and come up with as simple a plan as possible for dealing with these situations.
However, I have noticed that the best BASE jumpers have something physiologically superior to the average BASE jumper. And that may either be the luck of the draw, a tolerance for adrenaline, or the mental ability to harness fear into something useful.
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