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90% of the jumps I do are with handcam so the arch is compromised. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

QuoteThanks for the reply. Yes it is a Saber 2 190. I was hoping to get $4,000 but $3,500 for the quick sale may have to do. I wouldn't be telling anyone that I needed the dosh. That's a recipe to get screwed if the buyer knows it's a forced sale. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

After 40 repacks or 25 deployments have been reached, the reserve must have its permeability tested. (In most countries, 40 repacks are usually performed over a 10 to 20 year period.) The testing is performed to insure that the fabric permeability has not reached a point where the openings and landing performance would be unacceptable. Subsequent to passing this testing, an additional label is affixed and the canopy is then returned into service. The label will contain additional boxes, the specific number being chosen according to the results of the test. From PD. Checks required after time. Any containernmanufacturers? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

1.9 Service Life Strong Enterprises and other members of the Parachute Industry Association (PIA) are currently discussing guidelines for a recommended service life. FAR 65.129 requires that “No certificated parachute rigger may pack a parachute that is not safe for emergency use,” so until guidelines are established, the continued airworthiness of an assembly is established by the licensed parachute rigger who inspects it as part of his repacking procedure. While proper care can no doubt extend its usefulness, an older parachute should be examined more closely for signs of deterioration. Your parachute should be treated as the sensitive piece of life saving equipment that it is, but it should not be expected to last forever, even when proper care is taken. From the Strong website - gear is not lifed at this stage. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

From National Parachutes manual "Until the PIA specifies or recommends otherwise, it is the opinion of current management that the maximum service life is 20 years from the date of manufacture". The intent is there but this in my mind doesn't constitute a mandate. So back to the original question. Is there any manufacturer,other than PA, currently lifing their gear? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

PA have 'lifed' one of their reserve canopies. The rest operate 'on condition'. It's all their containers that have a 20 year life, whether they've been used or not. They make Talons and Vodoos as well under licence. Why don't Rigging Innovations have the same issue? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

I agree. I saw a 1993 PA Talon container recently that had been in storage since 97 with less than a hundred jumps on it and its got 5 years left. The velcro was like new but ... 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

I couldn't agree more. The reason I'm asking is that PA containers are common in gliders in NZ and I would think Australia. It's not fun telling the owners that there containers are grounded because it's been mandated by the manufacturer. Any recommendations for relacement containers? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

So why did PA have to do it? Something different with their gear or people that use it? They make Talons. Are Rigging Innovation Talons any different? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Are there any other container manufacturers that mandate a 20 year life on its containers other than Parachutes Australia and if not why? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

I still have the option to deploy my reserve with my right hand whether my RSL is connected or not. And yes people are dead from RSLs. A few years ago there was a tandem fatality in the US when the right risor snapped allowing the RSL to deploy the reserve, leading to a main / reserve entanglement. The 'answer' was another lanyard designed to release the left riser in this situation. Just another component to an already complicated system. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

A spin off from a thread in the incident forum re horseshoe malfunctions. Theres comment that the RSL needs to be disconnected before cutting away the main and activating the reserve in a horseshoe situation. That to me just adds another step during what can be a very stressful and fluid situation. I personally refuse to jump with an RSL connected for the complications that they can cause. I've got 2 hands and as a last resort an AAD to deal with any situations that arise. Are RSLs mandatory in the States? Any comments? Well done on saving your arse Steve. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

I'd wait for my Vigil to fire!! 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Had the same problem with a remote years ago on a Canon. Worked fine on the ground but would fail in freefall. Had to replace the camera. Built a deflector / support and never had the problem again. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Quite frankly, who cares? Why are people so hung up with numbers? It's all ego driven! Thats why I don't keep a log book anymore. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

That's a shocker. IMO alot of what contributed to that was the exit technique. I jump mostly out of a 172 which is as small as a 182. It has substantial handles running across the cabin and along the top of the door that are a huge aid when it comes to exiting. It looks to me that the TI was trying to 'lever' himself out the door without having good handles to help him. I also think that he needs to adopt a right leg out left leg in exit position. This is easily done with a handle above the door which allows you to 'lift' yourself as you arrange your legs. That being said, if there is any issue with the drogue before exit, land with the plane!!! It's only gas. And operators, if your plane is being used for jumping, set it up properly for jumping!! 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

A mate who had a climbing accident 20 years ago and 'died' 5 times in the 2 days after his accident. For his 40th I took him for a tandem. He had his challenges - similar and different - to what you discribed. It was a most rewarding experience 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

What a moronic poll!! 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Time for another 'my Cypres is better than your Vigil' debate? 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Another reason to convert to BOC. I did a couple of hundred jumps using a pullout in the 80s. Changed to BOC and will never go back. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Cool. Reminds of a Starlite / Cloud combination I saw about 25 years ago in NZ 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

Wear Nikes - and 'Just do it' 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

And the music sucked on both. The editing team should have their ratings pulled as well. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

10 at a time out of a Herc for kids with cancer downunder in NZ. 5 loads during the day. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.

There was a story going around early 80s of a group going in in Aussie doing a night dive after getting on the turps. May have been a DC3 involved but it was a long time ago and could well be bullshit....... 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do.