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That will be tomorrow morning. O'Mara will be giving it. Then the prosecution will give a sort of rebuttal closing argument. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

After watching this whole thing, I don't think cleaning up witnesses would do the job. There's an extreme lack of evidence against Zimmerman whether the witnesses were better or not. Taken from the comments section, the prosecution closing statement should have been: "We the prosecution assume that we can convict without providing any actual evidence." Half an hour into the closing argument, it still pure speculation. Possible speculation, but speculation all the same. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Isn't surprising the defense with new lesser charges at 7am on summation day, charges the prosecution has no doubt been preparing for a while now, grounds for a mistrial? How in the world could that be allowed? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

It's unbelievable. During the last week, the prosecution's most common statement has been "isn't it possible that....". Talk about role reversal. The defense is supposed to be punching "possible" holes in the prosecution's case, not the other way around. They are grasping for anything they can. I liked Root's response during cross, "Sure anything is possible, but not everything is plausible." And what's this judge's deal? She's a grade A bitch. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Where do you find this animation? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Do you realize there is live streaming unbiased coverage of this trial on the internet. It is literally gavel to gavel with zero commercials and only has commentators during recesses. So yeah, you can basically be in the courtroom and there's nothing the jury has heard that I haven't. Saying that, I would be so amazingly baffled if the jury even has a difficult time coming up with a not guilty verdict. This case has been so one-sided dispite an obviously biased judge. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

I have an actual job too. Which for the next couple weeks includes more computer work and less flying. So while I may not watch the entire thing, I have it up in the background and listen to it. There are many ways you could research and learn what's going on in that courtroom. The point is, try looking at the evidence before arguing that your dated opinion is automatically the truth. You might be surprised that it is very suggesting. My remark about Rachel Jeantel was mostly sarcastic. He might have gone to his dad's house then returned, but if you watch her testimony, it's basically impossible to believe anything she says. She's a joke. That's why I used the words "strong feeling". No one knows what would have happened had one of these two guys done something different. But that's not the point of this case. It's to find out if he is absolutely guilty of 2nd degree murder, and by the looks of it so far, there's no chance in hell. Now manslaughter might have been a different story. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

I remember when they brought this up, but did they ever actually tie it to TM? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Funny thing about that is, they are allowed to bring up Zimmerman's criminal past which you mentioned. But none of TM's criminal history can be mentioned. Something about relevance to state of mind and not character. Of course the defense did inform the jury of these events. The battery on a LEO was after a bar scuffle in which Zimmerman was trying to help his underage friend, and charges were dropped. As for violently beating women, the restraining orders were mutual, meaning she got one for him and he got one for her. Both were mutually dropped as well. I would say there's just a little exaggeration there. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

No, it is based on evidence admitted into court and discussed in trial. Are you saying George Zimmerman's story is a lie? If so, what gives you the authority to decide that? Shouldn't that be up to the jury based on evidence? I'm sorry to inform you that the evidence is very supportive of his story. Which has also remained consistent from the beginning as well. I am unbiased on the outcome of this case. I just want to see the judicial system work. Have you been watching this trial? If not, it is streaming live. I have watched the whole thing and the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the defense. Do you not agree? Or have you not been watching it and still running on pre-trial information? So you are saying "walking and looking around" absolutely cannot include "walking between houses and looking in windows"? Other than your biased opinion, how do you justify that? They have been routinely discussing the neighborhood during the trial. The sidewalk goes between buildings. It is a known fact that he was walking in between the buildings. TM could have walked back to his dad's house via the road. The fight happened on the sidewalk in between buildings. Why take the long way home in between the buildings in the rain when you can simply walk on the road? Sure it's not illegal to take the sidewalk, but something came across as suspicious to Zimmerman so he decided to check it out. Smart move? Probably not. But illegal and starting the confrontation? I don't think so. When would have GZ had a chance to ask TM "can I help you?" From my understanding of the evidence in trial and testimony, Zimmerman was in his car until martin turned and headed in between the buildings. At that point martin was out of sight until the fight. While walking back to his car, the kid appears and says "you got a problem?" in which zimmerman replies "no i dont got a problem." Is that not an ok response? Does that response provoke getting punched in the face? According to witnesses, the conversation was very brief and the fight began immediately afterwards. I have a strong feeling that asking TM if he needs help would have made zero difference. According to Rachel Jeantel's testimony, Martin mentions being near his dad's house. That would suggest that he did walk home and then returned to confront Zimmerman. I know your personal bias doesn't want to hear it, but so far the evidence so far almost completely reinforces zimmerman's story from day one. Hey, maybe he was actually telling the truth!? The prosecution is about to rest it's case, and they really do not have a case at all. There is simply no evidence supporting the claim that Zimmerman was a vigilante wannabe cop wanting to kill a suspicious black boy. I really don't think the defense needs to present their case honestly, most of the prosecution witnesses did that for them. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Agreed. And sadly there is only one testimony of what happened at that period. According to testimony though, GZ lost Martin pretty quickly, and while walking back towards the street, heard someone talk. He said the conversation was: "You got a problem with me?" - TM as he approaches GZ "No I don't got a problem with you" - GZ as he reaches for his phone "Well now you do" followed by a punch to the face and the ensuing fight Which seems to coincide with witness testimony that they heard 3 sentences between 2 men, followed immediately by a scuffle and then cries for help. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

I'm not sure what his intent was. According to GZ, he was following him to keep an eye on him until non-emergency personnel arrived. GZ lost him right away, and walked down the sidewalk to get an address off the house to give to non-emergency. As he was walking back on the sidewalk, martin approached him and started the fight. So far there's no evidence to show otherwise. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Do you have kids? A spouse? What if your neighbors' homes were being broken into, several times with people in the house, and your wife even saw one of them run by your house. They frequently run off before cops show up, probably to return later. Tension is high in your neighborhood and your wife is obviously worried. She's home alone and as you drive by you spot a person who is walking in between houses, looking in windows, in the dark, in the rain. Would you say "fuck it, my wife and neighbors will be fine. I'll just keep driving to the store." or are you going to approach and get him out of your neighborhood? Any good husband or neighbor, let alone a neighborhood watch captain, would do the latter. If you don't want people following you and wondering what you're up to, don't go walking inbetween houses in a crime-ridden neighborhood in the dark rain. Common sense. According to testimony, he wasn't even following him when TM approached, asked if he had a problem, then socked him in the face. Hopefully you are watching the trial live and not the biased media's portrayal. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

A day in my life. Try playing on a softball team made up entirely of engineers. A few of us are athletic, but the majority couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I moved from Advanced Design to Flight Test last year, and am happy to report that there are more "normal" engineers here. Being in a hands-on, real world position limits the amount of technical design jargon you can spout off just to seem intelligent. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

I know Normiss is, but is anyone else watching this thing live? If so, has anyone watched the news channels also? I've watched live streaming video all week on foxnews.com (best video stream i can find), and the amount of spin is absolutely incredible on the media channels. Inserting clips of non-courtroom press releases from last year, talking about how TM was "running home for his life" which so far has not even been hinted at in the courtroom, and completely dismissing John Good's huge testimony earlier. I knew mainstream media was bad, but never knew to this level. Apalling. Atleast there is streaming video (on several sites) so people can watch the truth. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

The Sabre 1 is one of the most docile parachutes available. You've had several people suggest trying out a sabre2. What's wrong with that? It's a great step up and I think you'll be very pleased with it. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

You sound like a real winner. Keep living the life bro. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

No it's not true, and that's because you aren't the only one here. While someone feels like finding their personal limits, going way beyond them because they don't know any better, and killing someone in the process, the rest of us have to deal with the reprocussions and tighter rules. If it was just you and the rest of us wouldn't be negatively impacted by your decisions, then we wouldn't give two shits about what you do. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Camera is a great learning tool yes...but someone has to be videoing you in order to see yourself. You can't mount a camera on your body that will allow you to review your own technique. Where would you put that? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

A misrouted chest strap???? Oh man, call in the fire department! What do you think the chest strap is there for? To look pretty? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Do you know how bad a reserve deployment on exit can be? Do you know how close to death someone is when their cypres saves their life? Do you know how ugly a misrouted chest strap can be? Oh who am I kidding, of course you don't. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Here we go with the personal attacks! What's the problem, can't have a rational debate based on the argument? Asking if you know what the hell you are talking about is a personal attack? Boy, you must have had a rough childhood I think it's funny that the only two people on this thread with "common sense" are the two guys who have basically zero experience, and all the "asinine idiots" are anybody with actual experience. That logic is brilliant! I don't necessarily agree with a strict 200 jump limit requirement either, but I think something should be in place. Maybe a training course and instructor endorsement, like you suggested, or 200 jumps. Whichever comes first. At some point you gotta realize that some people will do what they want regardless of warnings presented to them. So Joey and skycatcher, just try to remember that the camera isn't priority 1. If everything is going well, aiming and shooting is fine sure, but if shit hits the fan, forget it's there and focus on fixing your problem. Those who are victims of incidents relating to cameras tend to forget this. Time is already short up there, no need to waste it on something else like a camera. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Not the same thing, aircraft radios are mainly a safety mechanism. If you actually think a student pilot talking on a radio is more dangerous than having no radio then you are very misinformed. A camera doesn't add safety to a skydive. Quite the opposite actually. Can we get an idea of your skydiving experience so we know if you have actual merit to your opinions that cameras are harmless, or are you just another Joey? "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

I don't think you will find a large number of new jumper incidents related to cameras, but for different reasons than you think. Every dropzone I've been to has been vigilant in stopping new jumpers from wearing cameras, jumping canopies outside their ability, participating in freeflying before becoming proficient in belly skills, etc. These are things a dropzone can directly enforce, and most do. You cant stop a guy from making a low turn and plowing in. You can't stop a guy from incorrectly handling a malfunction. You can't make sure everyone packs perfectly all the time. The number of incidents of things like cameras on new jumpers or new jumpers under sub 100 crossbraced canopies will never amount to the number of incidents of experienced jumpers with proper gear because it is regulated most everywhere in the country. What do you think would happen if any dz let any new jumper jump any canopy they wanted? Of course incidents would start popping up. What do you think would happen if every dz let every student and new jumper jump with any and all extra equipment they wanted? I can guarantee incidents would show up then too. I could ask you to show me the huge number of incidents from new jumpers flying canopies beyond their ability. But you couldnt give me one. Sure there are anecdotal examples here and there, but largely it isnt a problem. And neither is new jumper camera-related incidents. Because preventative measures have been taken to ensure it doesnt happen. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52

Did you miss Billvon's ridiculously long list of camera-related incidents? I started jumping 5 years ago at 19 yrs old, and understand your point of view. I had it too. Eventually I had some close calls, learned some things, and watched two friends die in front of me. That will change your viewpoint. Come on man you're making the rest of us 20-somethings look bad. "Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52