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I actually think the media would report it since its "news" (at least in their eyes). the public needs to know that the leaders do not accept these tactics and they should speak openly and clearly against it. by being vague about it, they do very little to fight the "Islam=terrorists" image "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

first of all, I said i didnt support it. I don't think it was the brightest idea. but still, there is a slight difference between that child terrorists, don't you think? "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

the intent is the difference. just as the difference between murder 1 and cause of death by neglect. so are car accident victims. its the intention to kill those innocents that makes the difference "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

not that I support having children near ammo but you're comparing school kids who were visiting a military base to actually using kids as carriers or worse, as human bombs? "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

not enough in my opinion and for sure not around where I live. considering that the majority of victims (at least lately) are muslims, I would expect a bigger outcry. I have no problem with you not wanting to be jewish. my point was that I'd hate to be in a position where I need to defend my values and faith because of some assholes who use it in such a way. I never said there is anything wrong with muslims so please don't twist my words. and you know what? in the (luckily very few) incident where someone carried out an act of terror in the name of my religion (e.g the idiot Dr who killed worshipers in Hebron in 94), I was ashamed and outraged. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

exactly. and by that they taint the rest. what I would like to see from other muslim is a total rejection of those who "manipulate their followers into senseless wars and acts of violence". no religion is bad. people are bad. terrorists who justify their actions as the wish of Allah cause more damage to other muslims than to their intended victims. yeah well, I look at things from a western point of view. if some other culture sees these people as heros than it says more about them than about me... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

I'm pretty sure it is. if you want to "play" with the definition or look at ancient history, be my guest. it won't change anything. no, only that it is heavily tainted by those who claim blowing up school buses is Allah's wish. as always, in your mind if someone is arab/muslim/palestinian they must be right and you have to defend them. If i were you, I would have been the first to condemn this "branch" of Islam that puts a dark mark on a whole religion. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

I would add another parameter terrorist: this incident is done to show what we can do to you. you will have more of this so you should be afraid, very afraid. mass murderer: this incident is the highlight and finale of my actions. if I didnt get you, you are probably safe (assuming I'm dead of captured). why are most terrorists muslim? I don't know, the two things I can say about it are: - not all muslims are terrorists but I would have liked to see more muslims publicly speak against these people. - I'm happy I'm not Muslim. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

it will be discussed as part of a peace treaty. mostl likely some will be removed and some will be annexed to Israel in exchange to lands elsewhere (i.e land swaps)/ yeah, ok, and? the sinai was given back to egypt as part of a peace treaty (they didnt want Gaza...) and east jerusalem is in the west bank. I dont know what was your point... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

which shows how clueless you really are... 1967 borders is the west bank (used to be Jordanian) and Gaza (used to be Egyptian), leaving the Golan which is not related to the palestinian issue. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

did you even read what I wrote? i said yes to 1967 borders (this was pretty much agreed on in 2000 already) I said yes to Jerusalem, but not in the way of building a dividing wall in the city like it was pre 1967, but a more creative solution. and no, no refugees inside Israel, they'll need to settle in Palestine, like the jewish refugees found refuge in Israel. otherwise you will solve nothing. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

this is very simplistic, but... as far as land goes, yes, I would be ok with them getting the west bank and Gaza with some creative arrangement in Jerusalem (especially for the holy places). as far as refugees, they need to settle in the newly formed Palestinian state. just like I'm not going to get my family's house in Hebron that was taken by force in the 1937 riots, and like the almost million jews who were kicked out of the arab countries when Israel was formed. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

I sure hope so. it all depends on the definition of "fair". what Israel considers "giving up a lot" is considered as "not enough" by moderate Palestinians while Hamas in Gaza doesnt even recognizes Israel's right to exist. it's not going to be easy but I would say that most Israelis are willing to give up parts of their homeland if they feel there will be peace. sadly, whenever Israel pulled out, it didnt get any quiet in return... so yeah, I think so. otherwise we're all doomed. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

ok, here we go... maybe israel should do the same as Hamas and just fire random rockets targeting civilian towns? again, if Hamas was launching rockets or mortar shells from the compound, it is no longer civilian. are you suprised they use schools and UN buildings as cover? look up the elementry school they've rigged with explosives. that's their MO funny, I remember a report by a western docter (Italian, I think) who was in the hospital in Gaza and said he didnt see anything that would suggest that. you can look up the "jennin masacare" where the Palestinians initially reported hundreds of civilians dead. only later (after Israel got bashed, it turned out to be ~50, over 40 of which were armed terrorists. so yeah, the Palestinian PR is a good one... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

as defiened by the rules of engagement, when military operation (e.g rocket launching) is conducted in civilian areas. these areas become legitimate targets. Israel keeps providing Gaza with humanitarian supplies and power eventhough Gaza is ruled by a hostile government. show me any other instance in the history of war... "war crimes" is a big word often used here by people who don't understand the meaning of it nor they know what is actually going on. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

what about them? they have pretty good reasons (even if in a different, shorter scenario) to feel victimized as well. Israel had every right to operate in Gaza following the rockets and violation of the cease fire. if you want to say that this self defense instinct is stronger because of historic events, so be it. It still doens't make it wrong. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

in simple words, yes, I am sure. 2 things: - it's not suprising that some Jews would have such a complex. Jews were prosecuted like no other nation starting from the early church who wanted to deifferentiate the newly formed religion from Judaism and all the way to Nazi Germany. If such a complex exists, it would be justified. - there are articles and research about anything supporting any view you want to promote. Israel's attack on Gaza came after Hamas broke the cease fire repeatedly and after years of rockets flying out of Gaza. you want to call it a "victim complex"? go for it. you're just putting a spin on a very simple situation. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

and this is related how? I don't see myself as a victim and I don't think most Israelis do. and note that I say Israelis, not jews. religion has nothing to do with it (although some try to turn it into a religion war. is there a "victim complex" to some Jews? maybe. pretty understandable considering historic events. is is what defines Israel? I don't think so. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

oh ok, it must be true then. again, I don't mind controling the world and all of the money, shall I give you my bank details so you can transfer me your salary? this is absurd... "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

sure, and us jews control all of the media and the money in the world. where do I sign? give me a break. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

... and there goes your internal "it's time to start another anti-israel thread" time... how about we discuss the 5 rockets fired from Gaza today, making that over a hundred sicnce the "cease fire" started? O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

I admit i'm not well aware of how puerto ricans identify themselves. the one I've met said he was Puerto Rican. That's the goal of the peace process that has been taking place since the early 90's. the fact that it is stuck, makes the Paelstinian issue an unsolved problem, it doesnt make them Israelis until decided otherwise. besides, once the PA was formed, you can call them Palestinians even though its not a state yet. they have their own passports and everything. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

I'm sure you mean a fair trial? or picking people off the street, blindfolding them and throwing off a rooftop is the right way of doing things? "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

they want to be called Americans. Palestinians don't want to be called Israelis. they want to be called Palestinians. they have a different culture, faith and language than Israelis (excluding the Israeli Arab minority), I really don't understand why you are so eager to add them to Israel when neither side wants that. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

The British rulled the land before Israel was founded, so was I supposed to be British? so would you call Iraqis americans now? "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."