ScottGray

great vid !!!! Well done. I'll have to try that slide out on your ass exit. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I have had my PF tracking suit for a couple years now. Yes, if not tuned you will be pushed head low by the strong inflation of the legs. Agree with the other posts here. Wide legs for stability, point toes to the rear. Push hips up slightly. Try to curve your upper body slightly (de-arch). Try sucking your belly in a little, not too much unless you have a very strong core. Most importantly, create a cavity in the center of your chest by rolling your shoulders forward and in a little. You can also push your chin toward your chest to create more lift. If you are still going a head low, push down with your hands (cupped with knuckles up), this will increase some drag but will level your flight. Tune till comfortable. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Total Now at 40 - Need that second aircraft --- Mr. Bland.

Myself and my brother started on a Prodigy Suit and then moved to a Tony Aerobat. Transition was smooth and the Aerobat allowed us to develop the right skills before moving to higher performance suits. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Total Now 38 1. Scott B. (Notsane) 2. Mike M. (Gray Mike) 3. Sean H. (Monkycndo) 4. Scott Gray (The Brothers Gray) - Aerobat / SM1 - 5'6" 165lbs w/equip 5. Chris Gray (The Brothers Gray) - Aerobat / SM1 - 5'7" 155lbs w/equip 6. Justin Shorb (Flock U) 7. Ryan Desjardins (Soon to bee Canadian Flocker) 8. Bob Futrell (FlyinBob) 9. Mark M 10. Phil Peggs 11. Matt Hoover (111) 12. Mike Rinehart (Missingparts) 13. Frank Boluk 14. Scotty Burns (scottygofast) 15. Robert Kelley (ROK) 16. Jeff Nebelkopf (Heffro1) 17. Tony Uragallo (Tony Suits) 18. Chuck Blue (SkymonkeyONE) 19. Todd S (DaMan) 20. Michelle (EmLo) 21. "The" Le Roy (leroydb) 22. Dan M (arai) 23. BJ Alexander 24. Tyler (jumpinfly) 25. Mark (normiss) 26. Lurch (Flock U) 27. Crip (affalcon) 28. Kevin O (kevin922) 29. Travis J "Chunks" 30. MexTony 31. Katee (rkymtnhigh) 32. Katie (katiebear21) 33. Paul (Pilot Paul) 34. Nick Rugai 35. James Lovaas 36. Tony Dommer 37. Zach (Buried) 38. Cathy JEAN-ALBERT (fly your body - Soul Flyers) WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Distance Challenge List - 1) Scott Gray 2) Chris Gray 3) 4) 5) Wednesday Jumping Interest List - 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

1. Scott B. (Notsane) 2. Mike M. (Gray Mike) 3. Sean H. (Monkycndo) 4. Scott Gray (The Brothers Gray) - Aerobat / SM1 - 5'6" 165lbs w/equip 5. Chris Gray (The Brothers Gray) - Aerobat / SM1 - 5'7" 155lbs w/equip 6. Justin Shorb (Flock U) 7. Ryan Desjardins (Soon to bee Canadian Flocker) 8. Bob Futrell (FlyinBob) 9. Mark M 10. Phil Peggs 11. Matt Hoover (111) 12. Mike Rinehart (Missingparts) 13. Frank Boluk 14. Scotty Burns (scottygofast) 15. Robert Kelley (ROK) 16. Jeff Nebelkopf (Heffro1) 17. Tony Uragallo (Tony Suits) 18. Chuck Blue (SkymonkeyONE) 19. Todd S (DaMan) 20. Michelle (EmLo) 21. "The" Le Roy (leroydb) 22. Dan M (arai) 23. BJ Alexander 24. Tyler (jumpinfly) 25. Mark (normiss) 26. Lurch (Flock U) 27. Crip (affalcon) 28. Kevin O (kevin922) 29. Travis J "Chunks" 30. MexTony 31. Katee (rkymtnhigh) 32. Katie (katiebear21) 33. Paul (Pilot Paul) 34. Nick Rugai 35. James Lovaas 36. Tony Dommer WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Some video clips of first wing suit flights and a little flocking can be found at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2FzUIbyVk or http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=16703439 WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I have two rigs with mods: Dolphin with dynamic corners opening the pack tray completely, 30" PC, center stows on the D-bag, a D-bag stablizer sewn to the bridle, and a 9' bridle. The opennings are wonderful, steady, just the right amount of positive force, and have been 100% on heading. Mirage with cut down corners, 30" PC, center stows on the D-Bag, a D-bag stablizer sewn to the bridle, and a 9' bridle. Same great opennings. Mine are packed with the groment pointed up. I worked with a fellow rigger and several wing suit pilots I trust to arrive at this group of mods. Each container and parachute system is unique. I would suggest speaking with a rigger that has made such mods and also look at mods done for other wing suit pilots. I started with the longer bridle, this may be all you need. I went to the container mods after my PC failed to pull my D-bag positively out of my container and only after rocking hard in deployment position did it roll down my leg wing, hit my foot and spin up into 5 line twists. Again, get as much info as you can, start with a 9' bridle and go from there. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Yes ---- but I was not about to do the math (I hate math) or run back through the jumps on my neptune. Too lazy. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Agreed ---- It is not some much the exit atitude as it is the difference between exit and deployment altitudes. Sec 126 Exit 13.7K Deployment 2.4K 126 Exit 14.2K Deployment 2.9K 128 Exit 13.5K Deployment 2.0K 129 Exit 15.0K Deployment 2.2K 130 Exit 13.4K Deployment 3.3K 132 Exit 14.0K Deployment 2.6K 138 Exit 14.8K Deployment 2.3K 162 Exit 14.4K Deployment 3.1K (Neptune error)?? WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

The most free fall time I have gotten on the Tony Suits Aerobat have been 130, 132, and 138. I did see 162 on my neptune once, but I am sure that was not correct. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Thanks much Scott. Appreciate the comments. The SDM vids are a great resource. We use them during our formal classroom sessions of our first flight course. Your assessment of the actions of the pilots during the videos match mine. The one of the V2 barrel roll and low recovery is specifically on point here. The one of the girl exiting the skyvan demonstrates how doing nothing will intensify the problem, and only once cutting away the wings and forceing into a belly to earth orientation (with significant altitude loss) was she able to recover and go into a regular skydive. Common sense and lessons learned from aircraft flat spin recovery would suggest the sooner you can move to an orientation where the control surfaces of the suit can allow striaght and control flight the better. In other words, the pilot needs to generate forward wind speed (e.g. move into a dive, given there is enough altitude). Of course absolutely remembering that if unrecoverable, the pilot MUST orient themselves as much belly to earth as possible and deploy, then deal with the result. Would very much like to see what you have put together. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

One more added - Total now at 34 1. Scott B. (Notsane) 2. Mike M. (Gray Mike) 3. Sean H. (Monkycndo) 4. Scott Gray (The Brothers Gray) 5. Chris Gray (The Brothers Gray) 6. Justin Shorb (Flock U) 7. Ryan Desjardins (Soon to bee Canadian Flocker) 8. Bob Futrell (FlyinBob) 9. Mark M 10. Phil Peggs 11. Matt Hoover (111) 12. Mike Rinehart (Missingparts) 13. Frank Boluk 14. Scotty Burns (scottygofast) 15. Robert Kelley (ROK) 16. Jeff Nebelkopf (Heffro1) 17. Tony Uragallo (Tony Suits) 18. Chuck Blue (SkymonkeyONE) 19. Todd S (DaMan) 20. Michelle (EmLo) 21. "The" Le Roy (leroydb) 22. Dan M (arai) 23. BJ Alexander 24. Tyler (jumpinfly) 25. Mark (normiss) 26. Lurch (Flock U) 27. Crip (affalcon) 28. Kevin O (kevin922) 29. Travis J "Chunks" 30. MexTony 31. Katee (rkymtnhigh) 32. Katie (katiebear21) 33. Paul (Pilot Paul) 34. Nick Rugai WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Thanks VB - I have had two flat spins, one being more fun than anything. The second was induced by a barrel roll at very low horizontal speed and I was a little lazy with the wing position (NOT RECOMMENDED). I agree that in some spins, pulling arms and legs in can result in the spin rate increasing (much like a figure skater). Other pilots I have talked to agree. I do not claim to be an engineer and I will not go into the physics, in very simplistic terms, one wing is fly and the other is not. There is also the issue about where the center of gravity is. Aircraft with the center of gravity more toward the rear of the plane, with respect to the wing, are more prone to flat spins. The typically aircraft recovery process is to nose down attempting to create positive wind flow over BOTH wings restoring control. ALL YOU PILOTS & EXPERTS out there, please stay on topic here, no need to debate the physics here. First flight courses discuss creating opposite inputs to the spin, balling up, arching, and other such methods. To the extent we can alter our center of gravity and or orientation to the ground in a controled way, this may provide a more controlled method to recovery from a spin. IMHO - Closing the arm wings, keeping the leg wing completely open and pushing the head torward the ground ----->>> moving into a head down orientation would produce a dive and also reduce the spin rate across the yaw axis. This would create wind flow allowing the deployment of the arm wings and the ability to fly in a controlled fashion out of the spin. Jeff does a lot of test flights to include spin recovery on new suit designs, and I expect Omar has a fair amount of knowledge in head down wingsuit flight. Perhaps they can comment here. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

We all know the various methods for flat spin recovery taught during the first flight course(s). What methods have worked best for you and have you found that the recovery method might/should differ depending on the suit??? The ones I have been in I have luckily flown out of, once I created some wind speed and transitioned from my back to my belly. : ) The purpose of the question is to re-validate the methods being taught, specifically in light of evolving flight and equipment dynamics. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Any new adds to this list??? All you wing suit pilots, push your friends to join in the fun !!!! 1. Scott B. (Notsane) 2. Mike M. (Gray Mike) C. Sean H. (Monkycndo) 4. Scott Gray (The Brothers Gray) 5. Chris Gray (The Brothers Gray) 6. Justin Shorb (Flock U) 7. Ryan Desjardins (Soon to bee Canadian Flocker) 8. Bob Futrell (FlyinBob) 9. Mark M 10. Phil Peggs 11. Matt Hoover 12. Mike Rinehart (Missingparts) 13. Frank Boluk 14. Scotty Burns (scottygofast) 15. Robert Kelley (ROK) 16. Jeff Nebelkopf (Heffro1) 17. Tony Uragallo (Tony Suits) 18. Chuck Blue (SkymonkeyONE) 19. Todd S (DaMan) 20. Michelle (EmLo) 21. "The" Le Roy (leroydb) 22. Dan M (arai) 23. BJ Alexander 24. Tyler (jumpinfly) 25. Mark (normiss) 26. Lurch (Flock U) 27. Crip (affalcon) 28. Kevin O (kevin922) 29. Travis J "Chunks" 30. MexTony 31. Katee (rkymtnhigh)-will do my bestest 32. Katie (katiebear21) 33. Paul (Pilot Paul) WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I am 5'6" 150lbs (add 25lbs for equipment). I can do in the high 40s in my Aerobat, maxed out and not for the entire dive. Upper 50s on command, 60s for an entire flocking dive. Can not wait to see what times we get on our SM1s when they arrive. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Very nice !!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Can not wait to see what Chris and I can do once our SM1s arrive. Perhaps at F n D 3.5 we can do some GPS runs and compare times / distance / fall rates across the various SM1 pilots. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Soon we will be picking pine needles out of Robie's teeth. Fantastic flying !!!! WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

I have trained a number of students using the Prodigy suit and made a number of jumps on them as well. My brother started his wing suit flights using the Prodigy. - All of these full altitude skydives - I have yet to meet someone who uses one as their primary suit. I would think most would be BASE jumpers. While far from optimized flights, I would be hard pressed to see vertical speeds less than mid - upper sixties with a good pilot maxed out. I have seen some good forward speeds. BUT IMHO, there is no substitute for greater surface area in a well designed configuration. When I am training students on the prodigy I typically jump an aerobatic wing suit, which gives me much more range and speed relatively speaking. What I like about the platform is the ease of transition for students into doing a wing suit flight. My students average in the high 80s to low 90s vertical speed. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Good thing our parents gave us different names.

Scott - Anymore luck on a second plane or a tailgate ?? WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com

Alright everyone .... let's borg up ... "the flock shall move right ---- beep." : ) I'm in, assimulate me. WSI-5 / PFI-51 / EGI-112 / S-Fly The Brothers Gray Wing Suit Academy Contact us for first flight and basic flocking courses at your DZ or boogie. www.thebrothersgray.com