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I thinks it's a bigger subject than just what will you do...it's about your responsibilities to your fellow jumpers. So, you track off at 7K. How do you know that wasn't what somebody else did on another formation...and the 2 of you are tracking towards the same spot in the sky? As a rule I think you ought to stay close to your formation. I can assure you that your fellow jumpers are very concerned about where you are at breakoff, and the fact that they don't know only adds more stress. I've always felt that my biggest responsibility was not to save my own ass but to make sure I didn't kill anyone else in the process. And that means sometimes you have to sacrifice your jump. Not so sure people still think that way. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Good points. And at 1000 jumps and 14 years one would expect that you would have the situational awareness to do what you're suggesting. What about if you're at a DZ you've never visited before...would you still know where 90 degrees from the flightline is? I have jumped at small DZ's with grass airstrips that are difficult to spot from the air. There are situations where you can make the decisions you suggest to assure you are not a hazard if you go low. I'm talking about low time jumpers who might not understand their responsibilities in the situation. Some still think they're part of the group. I think not. One thing I forgot to add is that if you're going to track 90 degrees don't open high regardless of whether you think you're in the clear or not. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Exactly my thoughts. I was shocked at the lack of a consensus on what to do in this situation. It seems it just doesn't get talked about, and I fear it's only through pure luck we don't have more collisions. I haven't looked lately, is it discussed in the SIM? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

We have a saying in the carbiz...fall in love with the car and you'll marry the profit. Thank god for people just like you who still get excited about cars. You can get all excited about foreign jobs with whiny little 4 and 6's, but there's nothing quite like the feel of a rumbling V8 at your right foot's beck and call. I'm glad to see they kept the orginal's basic lines. It was a hot car then, and it's even hotter now. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I agree. 2 things I know are going to happen if I go low and can't get back up. 1. I get to take an air bath all by my lonesome 2. I'm going to begin my deployment at a lower altitude than I planned to so as to avoid being tagged from above. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

good. There has always seemed to be an attitude of "let's not talk about what to do if it all goes bad" becuse it'll jinx the plan. Of course we all know that every dive goes exactly the way it's planned, don't we. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

This idea comes from reading about the incident in February at Titusville. There doesn't seem to be any consensus in thought about what should be done in the event you go low and can't get back up to the formation. I think this is a very important subject people need to talk about. My last post read: Now that the dust has settled a bit I'd like to add my observations. 1. A camera most definitely adds extra hazards to a skydive, and its not just about snags. 2. If you go low and can't get back up (I'm a big man and have too much experience with this problem ) I feel you just gave away your "low man has the right of way" rights. Even if you have a camera on. You are no longer part of the skydive, you are an ostacle in the sky. A. Get out from under the formation! B. Keep your eye on the other jumpers until breakoff. Don't track away early, you might just become some other formation's obstacle. C. At breakoff track like hell D. When you get ready to dump take a look above you. You'll probably see other jumpers. Wait til you see them begin their deployment before you begin yours. E. Be ready with your EP's, you're probably low. 3. At breakoff it's your responsibility to make sure there is no one BELOW you. Barrel rolling isn't very useful since there isn't much you can do about someone above you except wait, AND THERE SHOULDN"T BE ANYONE ABOVE YOU. If there's some one below you alter your track so they are no longer below you. 4. I'm not sure I see people waving off anymore. Before you dump take a second to wave off. This is the international symbol for "your about to eat a parachute...get the F#&k off of me". This is basic stuff...it's like deciding what side of the road you're going to drive on. If everyone would do this there would be far fewer incidents like this one. Not to be too harsh I am sorry this happened. It's just that it happens again and again. And it's always the same set of circumstances...totally avoidable. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I watched the marathon this week and now I can't wait for Sunday night. This is so much better than the drivel you normailly get. It's dark and funny at times, but a very real concept. Shows like this one, Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me get my vote over the mindless sitcom crap. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Nah, she's just geting broken in Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Swooping. Do a single file run out and come out late. That's real 10-way speed. Exit, find the group, swoop, dock. Oh yes...some things just never get old. Ever gotten a facefull of feet? A good friend told me you know you're in tight if you get kicked in the face on exit. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I didn't know Lee, and I'm sorry I didn't. The Parachutist page was awsome. You can see the twinkle in his eyes, like he's just pulled off the best prank and only he knows who did it. Sorry for asking...but I've been wondering what's up with the investigation? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Front floated Mr. DOuglas quite a few years ago in Z-Hills. What an awsome site. SO many good and fun things about this plane... The tinted windows, jump seats, sound system, and Rickerby's mural. It would do my heart good to see it fulfilling it's purpose once again. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Scott Lutz anyone? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

last summer I had a Caravan bite my poptop. Very strange sensation to be stopped dead in the door by your reserve PC. Spent the first 5 or 10 seconds trying to figure out if my rig was alright Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Watching that video made we want to get chemical Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

hehe...not fallin' for it this time. Couldn't get that damned song outta my head Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I'd go with the Scrubs version...TCW...Tasty Coma Wife. Why wait for the funeral at all? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I thinnk one of the commentators speaking German said he was "fukt" Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I think he meant "O" face. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

OK...but Cincy is 4 hours South of here. I guess as long as people know that it's OK. Prolly wouldn't go over as well if it said Start Skydiving Cincinnati. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Start Skydiving Canton Canton Tandem Special Jump where Team USA jumps! But it's the DZ in Cincy. Isn't this kinda like what Skyride is doing? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

In all seriousness, I *do* think you were extremely lucky. I'm not a parent and never had an experience like that so I have no insight into what damage it could cause. What's the downside to that kind of experience? Walt Well..she was married and her husband showed up at my parents house one afternoon with a gun. Try this. You're now a 16yo with all the experience you are gonna get and are trying to date 16yo girls...very frustrating. There have been only 2 other women who could compare in bed...and I'm not imagining it was better than it actually wes. I dunno...I'm sure there are a bunch on pshrynks who could explain 2 failed marriages and numerous disaster relationships. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Age 14, my French teacher and I had an affair that lasted 2 years. Can you say Mary Kay Laturno? I can see now that it was child abuse. Back then I just thought I was extremely lucky. It is however the standard against which I measure a physical relationship. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfFzesHZCr0&feature=related 85mph yard sale Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I like the part where Michael Collins (I think it's him) is looking at it. You can almost read his mind. And the guy with the stick looks like he's ready to swat anyone who f**ks up. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne