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huh! Look we are all atheists, some of us just go one god further then everyone else, When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours... (now who said that) ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Lets be specific here, you have a “feeling” that prayer works, you don’t know for sure you cant. However the power of prayer can be tested, and has been a number of times, all with the same result. The world's largest study into the effects of prayer on patients undergoing heart surgery has found it appears to make no difference. The MANTRA study, run from Duke University Medical Center in North Carolina, involved 750 patients. link Similar study here with the same results I’ve lost track of the number of times I heard people pray for world peace, and it almost seems that we are moving opposite direction… Now a much simpler test that we can all do is, and hopefully this will put an end to this undignified topic of praying, is this.... lets begin, or should I say Lets Pray.. [I]"Dear Jesus, please appear to us, as you did to Paul and the 500 brethren, so that we can see the evidence of your resurrection. In your name we pray, amen."[/I] Ok so JC might be busy so lets give him a week, now after that week if he hasn’t appeared then there are only 3 logical reasons (1) God does not exist, (2) God does not want to or (3) God can't. Alternative (2) and (3) are not worth your worship and thus they equal alternative (1). So if noone has seen JC appear before then after a week then prayer does not work, and most likely there is NO GOD/s ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

no they're not. OH MY GOD (accuse the pun) Yes they are, they Catholic church is denying the use of condoms, which prevent the spread of disease, some which are deadly. How is that not putting the body at risk????? Speedracer you know you fighting a loosing battle with this topic, so just stop be annoying and making us all have to constantly explain this to you.. Or are you actually having problems understanding this????? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Quote The big deal is the Catholic church contributing to the spread of AIDS. How could you possibly have been following the thread and not understanding that? This is complete rubbish, most of these African people do not belong to your catholic club and its caveman dogma, most cant read so will have never read the bible, so it is unlikely they have any idea what the Catholic teachings are, or let alone give a crap, So therefore your point is moot… What if your Catholic club was to prevent the use of seat belts in cars because it says so in your dogma… would the catholic church be contributing to the number of people killed or seriously injured in car crashes?? Yes it would.. I find it hard, no in fact impossible to believe that any educated person cannot understand this simple fact… ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Do you have a number for him? maybe an email address??? or what do you suggest?? prayer has been proven countless times not to work, so perhaps a mailing address, ICQ number, or is god on facebook? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

ok, good example set.. now lets get back to the question... why is the catholic church lying??? isnt that contracdictory to the "commandments" ?? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

I don't condone lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, or sexual seduction or coercion by the clergy. Based on the fact that you do not believe that man has the ability to forego sexual promiscuity, and that they only have the ability to obey those edicts that are easy or convienient, what makes you think that, if the Pope proclaimed today that all Catholics would have to wear condoms unless they were intentionally trying to conceive, all men would immediately obey? After all, isn't it human nature to disobey rules? Especially if they cause inconvenience or result in less sexual pleasure. Royd, is this really that hard for you to grasp... or are you dodging the subject because you know that you are fighting a losing battle... The issues here has nothing to do sexual promiscuity, or sexual pleasure, its to do with the FACT that the Catholic church is openly and knowingly LYING about the effectiveness of condoms.. DO.......YOU......UNDER..STAND??????? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Well done, however the so called “condemnation” of artificial birth control is based on the caveman beliefs of the Catholic Church, and unfortunately innocent people are suffering as a result of these beliefs. Also the Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk. The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV. So care to comment on this??? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Most of the people in Africa that are suffering are not members of the “Catholic church club” so that makes your first point moot. Now let me ask you why the Catholic Church feels the need, or thinks it has the right to lie about the fact that condoms help prevent aids in an attempt to prevent there use, to help support the ancient beliefs about fidelity. The Catholic Church is a dinosaur, and hopefully one day like the dinosaurs it will be extinct. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

and "The Timelords" if I remeber correctly, although I think they only ever released one single under this name "Doctorin" the Tardis... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Its not, so why is it condemning these people by imposing its unfounded beliefs by not allowing the use of condoms as it claims this will promote promiscuity. Also by using that good religious method of ignoring evidence to fit its agenda by claiming that condoms do not protect against aids, even thought the WHO has proven to them that condoms are at least 90% effective… and that this claim is an outright lie… ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

______________________________________________ Hi DropDgorgeous, your display of grace under fire is commendable. I know the atheistic peanut gallery disagrees but I believe we, Homosapien sapien, are an example of Gods creative genius & generosity . He created us with an eternally conscience soul, & He created us to share eternity with Him. If the details were important on how He did it , He would have been more specific. Since He wasn't, then I guess it is not the most important issue we have to deal with. Stay strong, and good luck in school. He created us, so who created him....*yawn* As for his "generosity" can you give some examples?? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

I don't think the origin/spread of AIDs is quite as "simple" as we like to make it but I think you could be misapplying your theology. Perhaps an alternative look is God encouraging monogomous fidelity to prevent the spread of disease, rather than using the disease as a curse for those who are not monogomous If your god wanted to “encourage” monogamous fidelity why not simply create us that way, instead of failing to do that, and then scare us into monogamy by creating some heinous disease, you have to admit that is pretty damn cruel… In your world of belief your God is the creator, he created Man and therefore he created Aid’s it is that simple…. Not a very “loving” god is he… ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. How silly of me God is punishing people with AIDs for not following his word, I mean after all your god created aids along with everything else 6000 years ago.... Duh..... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Religion doesn't spread sexual disease, people spread disease. Maybe you should be hatin' on people. explain then how through religious belief that preventing africans using condoms helps the fight against aids....... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

So you're blaming the AIDS epidemic of the 90's on religion, instead of lust and licentiousness. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? According to the UN agency UNAIDS sub-Saharan Africa is hardest hit by AIDS, being home to more than two-thirds of those infected with HIV worldwide - 29.4 million out of 42 million. Congo's Kinshasa Archbishop Dominique Bulamatari said: "Using condoms as a means of preventing AIDS can only lead to sexual promiscuity." Catholic leaders in Africa have pledged to step up their involvement in the fight against the AIDS pandemic, but continue to reject the use of condoms to fight the disease. So Royd tell me how religion is not responsible for the spread of AIDS and how is not responsible for the pandemic... ???? case closed,..... any other questions? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

believe me it is not me that needs the “GOOD LUCK”, [sic]Despite all its fine words, religion has brought in its wake little more than violence, prejudice and sexual disease. True morality is found elsewhere. It just so happens that recently a study of religious belief and social well being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society. Drawing on a wide range of studies to cross-match faith – measured by belief in God and acceptance of evolution – with homicide and sexual behavior, Paul found that secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God. Top of the class, in both atheism and good behavior, come the Japanese. Over eighty percent accept evolution and fewer than ten percent are certain that God exists. Despite its size – over a hundred million people – Japan is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation. At the other end of the scale comes America. Over 50 percent of Americans believe in God, and only 40 percent accept some form of evolution (many believe it had a helping hand from the Deity). The U.S. has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy and homicide rates are at least five times greater than in Europe and ten times higher than in Japan. At first glance that is a preposterous suggestion, given that religions preach non-violence and sexual restraint. However, close inspection reveals a different story. Faith tends to weaken rather than strengthen people’s ability to participate in society. That makes it less likely they will respect social customs and laws. All this information points to a strong correlation between faith and antisocial behavior -- a correlation so strong that there is good reason to suppose that religious belief does more harm than good. So Corey, it is good luck to you, you poor disalusioned young man…. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

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These kind of crazy gun firing antics happen all time over in the UK.... oh actually no they dont, arent guns illegal in the uk..... JR???? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

News: HONEYMOON COUPLE ATTACKED BY GOLDFISH! [I]BOSTON, Mass. — Last month, following a lovely dinner at Japaneteria, David and Jane Bennett were celebrating their honeymoon in the middle of Weller Lagoon when David's amorous advances became a little more than the boat could handle. "It was a moonlit night and I was feeling very 'in the moment,'" said David. "I grabbed Jane and moved in to kiss her. She became startled and recoiled, tipping the boat and sending us both into the water." If Weller Lagoon had been an ordinary pond, the couple's unscheduled swim might have been amusing. "But it was a goldfish pond," said David with a shudder. "There were thousands of them, which is why we chose it." It took five minutes for the Bennetts to extricate themselves from the water. “During that time we were enveloped in goldfish," said David. "They got in my shirt, my shoes and my pants. In the light of the full moon, I glimpsed their soulless, little eyes rushing past me, felt their puckered lips sucking on my skin. On top of that, Jane was screaming something about drowning. It was horrible for me." David later found out that it was worse for his wife. "I had my eyes tightly shut but I felt their slimy, fast-moving bodies squirming all around me," said Jane. "While I was shrieking one goldfish swam into my mouth. I swallowed it. I think I’ll always feel it wriggling down my throat like — well, like a goldfish." After pulling themselves from the pond, David and Jane stumbled to the boathouse where they collapsed from fatigue and shock. "We’ve been in intense therapy since the incident,” said David. “We'll obviously be avoiding ponds, boats, parks, pools and even baths. “And, of course, it’ll be a while before we have sushi again.”[/I] Source: Weekly World News ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

The point is that people still fear the law and the end result of breaking it. They are still submitting to a higher power. erm ok then, how about i prove cops are real and speeding fines exist, and you.... say... prove your god is real and eternal damnation exists.... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Again all this is your belief, not mine. You have no evidence what so ever to suggest anything you believe about sin is correct, therefore I reject it.. Simple.. I haven’t written your god or any god out of the picture because they have neve been in it… No you cant promise me anything, because you do not have the answers…. So are you ignorant enough to assume that without belief in your god then I am on the road to “self destructive thoughts and behaviour”!!!! So do you have an overwhelming urge to rape and pillage, but because your god is watching you and threatens you with eternal damnation you choose not to??? what a load of old crap….. do you honestly look to the bible for a guide to morality? Have you even read it??? [sic] Many Christians have never read the whole Bible, and are not aware of the moral teachings that are found in it. Let's look at some. Exodus 23:19 tells us we cannot cook a baby goat in it's mother's milk. Do you worry about keeping this commandment? Gen. 17:14 tells us a child is to be punished when his parents neglect to have him circumcised. Is that fair? Ex. 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 34:21, and 35:1-3 tell us that no work may be done on the Sabbath (Saturday) not even the lighting of a fire. The penalty is death. Do you recommend that we kill people who light a fire in their fireplace on Saturday? [1] Lev. 3:17 tells us that we may never eat fat. So how is it that we eat hamburgers without guilt? Lev. 27:1-7 tells us that males are more valuable than females. Do you agree? If you are female, do you think males are more valuable than you are? No? Than these verses are mistaken, aren't they? Num. 5:12-31, tells us that if we suspect our wife has committed adultery, she is to be tested by making her drink water mixed with dirt. If she gets sick, she is guilty. Do you recommend that we implement this test procedure? I don't. Interestingly, there is no such test given for men. Is this fair? Deut. 22:5 tells us we may not wear clothing of the opposite sex. Do you think it is a sin for a woman to wear her husband's shirt? No? Then you disagree with Deuteronomy. Deut. 23:1 tells us that a man whose testicles are crushed may not enter the assembly of the Lord. Should we set up an inspection station at the church doors, asking every man to kindly drop his drawers for inspection, so we can keep injured people out? Or should we just pretend this verse isn't there? Deut. 25:11-12 tells us that a wife who grabs her husband's attacker by his private parts must have her hand cut off and is to be shown no pity. It does not matter that she was only trying to rescue her husband. Do you agree? I could give many more examples ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

These so called chains that you “free” yourself from are merely self imposed by your faith in the first place!!!!!!!!! The term “Sin” when used in a religious context describes any lack of conformity to the will of God, now for some one who does not believe in god/god (because there isn’t single shred of evidence) this concept is rather meaningless, and we believe human behaviour is not regulated by "commandments" given from above, but by moral standards derived from natural sources. Also the concept of sin originated in St Paul’s sadomasochistic doctrine of original sin. Adam the proposed perpetrator of the “original sin” never existed in the first place, a rather awkward fact don’t you think…. But the story of Adam is symbolic I hear you say, so Jesus was tortured and executed for a symbolic sin by a non-existent individual!!!! If god wanted to forgive our sins why not just forgive them… *** Free to commune with God I suspect that this is a rather “one way” commune, funny that isn’t it….. Yes. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

No, I think religion has turned people toward the viewpoint you embrace, with good reason I might add. Believing the Truth of God HAS SET THEM FREE!!! Free from what exactly? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

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