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Who is to blame for all these murders? Then… SAB, Brick Testament Number Killed Cumulative Total Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 1 Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, 1 Chr.2:3, BT 1 2 Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 3 Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) Ex.14:8-26 601+ 604+ For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 3604+ Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 3606+ A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 3607+ A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 3608+ Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 3620+ Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 3870+ For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 18,570+ For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 42,570+ Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 132,570+ God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 132,575+ God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 144,575+ Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 144,580+ God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 154,580+ Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 154,581+ God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 164,581+ God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 284,581+ The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 284,611+ The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 285,611+ Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 288,611+ "The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 313,711+ More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 338,711+ For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19 50,070 388,781+ God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12 20 388,801+ Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33 1 388,802+ "The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 388,803+ Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 388,804+ David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Sam.12:14-18 1 388,805+ Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 388,812+ From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 458,812+ A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 458,813+ Religious leaders killed in prayer contest 1 Kg.18:22-40 450 459,263+ God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 559,263+ God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 586,263+ God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 586,264+ Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 586,265+ Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 586,367+ God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 586,409+ Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 586,410+ Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 586,411+ God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 586,414+ Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 771,414+ Saul 1 Chr.10:14 1 771,415+ God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chr.13:15-17 500,000 1,271,415+ Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 1,271,416+ "The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 2,271,416+ God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 2,271,417+ Judean soldiers 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 2,391,417+ Ezekiel's wife Ezek.24:15-18 1 2,391,418+ Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 2,391,420+ Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 2,391,421+ Your God is a killer, and a killer of women and children.... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

So why is he so busy killing us and letting millions of us starve and suffer. Why did your god brutally massacre over 2,391,421 people in the bible, including women and children? If we are his "greatest" creation why are we so flawed, why are we so fragile and susceptible to 1000's of illnesses many fatal. Why did he create Cancer, AID’s and the most brutal and horrific SIDs (Sudden infant Death). May be he was bored one day and decided to randomly and without any reason kill babies in their sleep. Why do we as a human race not have a single belief in one god, there are some 22 main stream religions, all with as much evidence and validity as yours. Why is there not a burning cross in the sky to remind us? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Now, I know I couldnt have said that better. Im still having trouble finding my soul, can you tell me where it is located? once i've located it then how do i determin if its condition is "desperate". So is there evidence to support the "soul" theory? (please no bible quotes *yawn*)... real evidence, peer reviewed and all... The closest I can get to describing the soul is your own personal, unique, and sacred perception of how the world is exposed to you. How you see everything, both with your own eyes and with your own heart. Some see a plant, others see a rose, both will dissapear in time. No evidence whatsoever...but if you find yours, you will get closer to your real connection with the universe. Try to picture your whole being as a drop of water existing as one in a beautiful lake. So what you have said in a roundabout way is that your soul is just part of your imagination? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Now, I know I couldnt have said that better. Im still having trouble finding my soul, can you tell me where it is located? once i've located it then how do i determin if its condition is "desperate". So is there evidence to support the "soul" theory? (please no bible quotes *yawn*)... real evidence, peer reviewed and all... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

The real one or the mythological one? There is a "Real" one?? cool, as so far I have only read about the mythological one, the one with NO EVIDENCE OF HIS EXISTENCE WHAT SO EVER.... so please who is this "Real" one?? Now just so we are on the same page, my definition of real is "existing or occurring as fact; actual rather than imaginary", and for it to be fact there needs to be evidence, do you have it? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

No you cant...you are a liar...or dilusional. otherwise prove us all wrong...i dare you.... *yawn* No you cant No i wont, and neither will you.. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Tell me the truth ... Did your God, according to your Bible, drown almost every man, woman, and child on earth? Let not also forget that the all loving god of teh bible did kill a few other people.. paste So far I come up with a total of 2,391,421 (not including, at least in some cases, women and children). SAB, Brick Testament Number Killed Cumulative Total Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 1 Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, BT 1 2 Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 3 Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) Ex.14:8-26 601+ 604+ For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 3604+ Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 3606+ A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 3607+ A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 3608+ Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 3620+ Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 3870+ For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 18,570+ For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 42,570+ Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 132,570+ God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 132,575+ God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 144,575+ Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 144,580+ God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 154,580+ Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 154,581+ God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 164,581+ God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 284,581+ The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 284,611+ The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 285,611+ Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 288,611+ "The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 313,711+ More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 338,711+ For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19 50,070 388,781+ God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12 20 388,801+ Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33 1 388,802+ "The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 388,803+ Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 388,804+ David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Sam.12:14-18 1 388,805+ Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 388,812+ From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 458,812+ A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 458,813+ Religious leaders killed in prayer contest 1 Kg.18:22-40 450 459,263+ God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 559,263+ God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 586,263+ God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 586,264+ Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 586,265+ Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 586,367+ God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 586,409+ Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 586,410+ Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 586,411+ God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 586,414+ Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 771,414+ Saul 1 Chr.10:14 1 771,415+ God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chr.13:15-17 500,000 1,271,415+ Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 1,271,416+ "The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 2,271,416+ God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 2,271,417+ Judean soldiers 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 2,391,417+ Ezekiel's wife Ezek.24:15-18 1 2,391,418+ Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 2,391,420+ Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 2,391,421+ ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

well i doubt it will, but you have to say it does look very similar. Even the pattern choices are straight of the UPT site... Anyway Mark, I am about to purchase a new container, and i did speak with your company about a nice new V3 Micron which is my preference, however i was told to expect at least a 6 month + lead time!!!!! Now the SKyhook is great, but come on 6 months to make a container!!! if that is the case do you not think that you need to employ more staff? Also my mate just received his new micron, which is very nice but he ordered it in September 2007!! Can you explain why your lead times are so enormous?? half a year to stitch together a container, my sister had a 4 bedroom house built in less time then that... im not having a go at you, im just in disbelief... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Does anyone have any experience with this company Velocity Components ?? They make a container called the "Real X" which to me looks almost if not identical to a V3 Micron!! is it the same container? has anyone used one? any reviews anywhere?? The price there asking is considerably cheaper then UPT, approx $2100AU compared to $3000+ for a V3, (which also comes with a 6 month wait) -Oli ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

This is a good point, why not something as simple a shining cross in the sky, just to let us know hes out there... [sic]If Jesus had really been a new messenger from God, had he really been the Son of God, some writings of his would have been left behind. He left nothing at all. There are no writings attributed to Jesus. There are no archaeological artefacts. It is impossible to believe that God would have done nothing to make sure that some direct evidence to Jesus existed. All we have is hearsay. Hearsay isn’t always wrong but it is not very convincing. God didn’t ensure that any direct evidence for Jesus survived therefore God doesn’t care if we doubt or even disbelieve the existence of Jesus ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

This is incorrect. The accounts presented in the Bible are generally considered to have been written several decades after the fact. In some cases, hundreds of years after the fact so there is no way the author could have witnessed the event. But since no original examples of the text exist, we must assume that they are faithful reproductions of the original. Further than that, all extant copies are translations of the originals, so we have to assume that they are faithful translations. So we have: 1) not written at the time 2) not written by an eye witness 3) no original copies exist 4) all extant copies are translations This is not evidence, it's hearsay and conjecture. Neither of those things would get you convicted of so much as a parking ticket. Another inportant point here is that we actually do not know who wrote the original gospels. Also why is there no other litriture wirtten by authors of the time that mentions anything about the life of Christ???? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

How does it damage science if scientist discount the theory of a creator, because thus so far no evidence exist to support a creator theory?? and dare I ask how is your god/creator theory the "most obvious possibility"?? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

i have read your post a few times now and still not quite sure what your trying to say.. Anyway lets make this simple, im afraid you can believe in whatever but the plain and simple fact is that at the end of the day there is still to this day not 1 piece of evidence to show that the historical figure of Jesus existed, not one... the bible is written by authors unknown many years after his claimed life. No other historical text from authors of the time mention him.. We know adam and eve never existed so that makes a mockery of the concept of original sin, which is the basis for jesus death on the cross, so in turn makes a mockery of Christianity.. I appreciate there are many marvels of the universe that you/we dont understand but attributing them to some creator or sky god doesnt make them real.. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

... said the blind leading the blind. "without a shred of supporting evidence"? That's hyperbole. Some of the best evidence is in logic. If the universe suddenly came into being with NOTHING having existed, matter-wise, what would you say caused its existence? If we bring logic into the equation then you can kiss your silly skygod good bye... but to entertain you for a moment, we dont know that the universe "suddenly" came into being with NOTHING having existed before. The Universe might have always been there. In the same way when believers are asked who created the creator, the common belief is that the creator was always there, so using the same LOGIC then we can say that the universe might have always been there.... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

I can see how you are confused.... So who created the creator??? maybe the creator was always there?? if that can be said then maybe the universe has always been there ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

There are “Serious” negative moral consequences for societies and people that insist on continuing this unfounded, unproven belief in God, just ask Madeline Kara Neumann , oh you can’t she’s dead… ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

only if you cant freefly ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

I have probably packed / re-attached the slider about 30 - 40 times now and at a guess would say it takes me about 30 secs per grommet.. once attached it is very quick and east to see if you have attached it incorrectly... but to start with it took me a lot longer... ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Ok here you go, some pics of my Deepseed RDS.. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

care to elaborate on what you found annonying? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

Ill post in SC and not the Bonfire as im sure it will end up here anyway... For those of you who havent heard of Tim Michin he is an Australian comedian, Anyway I think this has some relavence here in SC Tim Michin ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

First then dont you think a digi alti would be good start. If i had any advice it would be take some canopy control courses, take your time to develop your skills, and build experience. There is no quick way to learn to swoop, you need to put in the hard yards, and by this I mean 100s of jumps.. I wouldn't really be reccomending that you start attempt to swoop just yet, this will come but not yet.. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

ill take some pics over the weekend and post them monday.. hows that? ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+

ermm i think it was $250NZ which is approx $200US.. ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+