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I'll guess it has to do with the extra reinforcement necessary for the outer rings for which there are no specifications for the Spectre. That's in addition to non-cascaded lines, nose reinforcement, line lengths & trim, slider size & construction, etc. 'skies, Bob

1232:8 Bob

Updated list (PM relyon to be added): 1) Bill Mershon 2) Pat Ryan 3) Kevin Ingley 4) Dave Basinger 5) Chas Bunch 6) Roger McClelland 7) Doug Scofield 8) LJ Keogh 9) Raistlin Majere 10) Russ Pinney 11) Michael Fedak 12) Jeni Gordon 13) Ken Oka 14) Shahin Mahmoudzadeh 15) Brett Clark 16) Vic Johnson 17) Jim Straight (maybe) 18) Bob Lyon Bob

Main: Lightning 143 @ 1.33 Reserve: Tempo 170 @ 1.12 Bob

But it will leave the formerly higher jumper with a ball of shit in the lines above their head, most likely out of reach. The downplane potential of the mess means there is a gauranteed second chop. I've been in this scenario more times than I'd prefer and my experience is the higher jumper cuts away first. Many times the released higher canopy will clear the lower resulting in only one reserve ride. Of course, avoiding canopy collisions in the first place is good plan too. Bob

The general rule is the top person cuts away first in an entanglement and the lower person first in a wrap. I've been in one situation where the top half of my canopy was wrapped on one jumper and the bottom half entangled with another. Chink! As soon as I chopped they both came clear (then followed my gear down). Bob

Here's the list: 1) Bill Mershon 2) Pat Ryan 3) Kevin Ingley 4) Dave Basinger 5) Chas Bunch 6) Roger McClelland 7) Doug Scofield 8) LJ Keogh 9) Raistlin Majere 10) Russ Pinney 11) Michael Fedak 12) Jeni Gordon 13) Ken Oka 14) Bob Lyon Bob

Here's an update about the Northwest Diamond Jamboree CRW boogie to be held August 15, 16, and 17, 2003 at Kapowsin Air Sports in Kapowsin, WA. The event will be open to licensed jumpers of all CRW experience levels, with loads and dives chosen to keep everyone challenged. Several have expressed interest in 8-way sequential (including some biplane moves), so that will most likely be the format. There will also be individual coaching available and probably a big-way or two. Here's some relevant information: Dropzone: Kapowsin Air Sports, Ltd. 27611 146th Avenue E Kapowsin, WA 98338 (360) 893-3483 -or- (800) 268-6778 [email protected] http://www.skydivenet.com/kapowsin/ Directions: directions and maps are available on the Kapowsin web site: http://www.skydivenet.com/kapowsin/directions.htm. Registration: none - spend it jumps instead Jump prices: sliding scale by altitude ($11/7500' & $18/12500' as of 6/03) Video: paid for by the load; looking for 2-3 videographers Lighting demos: available from PD for $30 + shipping. Fill out a PD demo canopy request form at http://www.performancedesigns.com/demorequest.asp and/or contact Kolla at PD ([email protected]) for more details. Some attendees may also have canopies available that are available by individual arrangement. Airport: Seattle-Tacoma International (SEA) Transportation: major rentals & shuttles available at the airport Lodging: Best Western Park Plaza (13.4 mi from DZ) 620 South Hill Park Drive Puyallup, WA 98373 (253) 848-1500 -or- (800) 359-4827 Holiday Inn Express Hotel (13.5 mi from DZ) 812 South Hill Park Drive Puyallup, WA 98373 (253) 848-4900 -or- (800) HOLIDAY Northwest Motor Inn (14.3 mi from DZ) 1409 South Meridian Puyallup, WA 98371 (253) 841-2600 -or- (800) 845-9490 Puyallup Motel (14.3 mi from DZ) 1412 South Meridian Puyallup, WA 98371 (253) 845-8825 Food: Aside from soda and snack vending machines, occasional party leftovers, and outright handouts, there is little food available at or near the dropzone. The plan is to make a food run (sandwiches/subs/etc.) around lunch Fri and Sat as necessary. It's also a good idea to keep some snacks handy during the day. Lobster Feed: Fri evening (8/15) at Clear Lake (7 mi south of the DZ) Don't miss this great annual Kapowsin tradition. The cost is $25 per person prepaid to KAS at least a week in advance (ie. no later than a 8/8) and includes fresh Lobster flown in from the east coast with all the trimmings. Contact the DZ (360-893-3483 -or- 800-268-6778, [email protected]) for more details. CRW Barbeque: Sat Evening (8/16) at (most likely the DZ). Burgers, dogs, and fixin's will be provided. A minimal donation (~$5 or a potluck dish) will be requested to cover costs. Bob (edited to correct e-mail address)

I've competed at the world level in CReW. I have no intention of doing a high performance landing for any reason. Landing a Lightning is more than enough thrills for me as it is. Bob Lyon NCCS-224 1224 jumps / Lightning 143 @ 1.33 / education not regulation

This was by far the coolest night dive I've been on - here's the pic. We also broke the Perris record (28-way set last year) by building a 37-way Saturday afternoon - check it out. Bob

It also shows how stupid the policy is. Shifting stuff between bags doesn't change how much you and your belongings add to the gross takeoff weight. Now if everything (passenger and baggage) is weighed together at check-in and is subject to a per-pound surcharge for everything over a certain amount, it might actually make sense. But noooooooo, that would be "mass" descrimination and we can't have that or it's lawsuit time! Between this and TSA goons, the government and the airlines have IMO turned commercial air travel from an enjoyable experience to a dreadful one. Maybe if a few major carriers go under they'll get a clue; then again, probably not. Bob

A harness grip is the most common way of doing a side-by-side and works well. Pay very close attention to handles. I prefer the top person transition to the left and the bottom to the right so that if a handle gets pulled it's the cutaway and not the reserve. The tension can get quite high with moderate to highly loaded (~1.3+) ZP canopies. The other method is the parabatic grip. Once in the plane the top jumper turns around (facing backward) and puts their feet under the armpits of the bottom. The top jumper then flips upside down and the bottom jumper places their feet over the tops shoulders. The canopies are fanned at the same time the grip is formed (mostly by the top jumper because they are doing less at the time). While it sounds complicated it's not and it can be dirt dove easily. You do want to get coaching the first few times you do it. The harness grip is easier to build, harder to hold, and can't be used to downplane (have to lock legs first). The parabatic grip is harder to build, much easier to hold, and can be directly transitioned into a downplane with no change in the grip. In either case the canopies have a strong tendency to push apart, so simply dropping grips will force separation if things start getting squirrelly. Bob

I go for my pullout deployed tailpocketed Lightning main every time from any altitude, no exceptions. Bob

The distance from the handle to the pin is roughly 18". It can't be much longer because the pin has to be pulled before full arm extension. Putting the handle at the apex forces the pin to be very close (a couple of inches) to the bridle/PC attachment point. That isn't possible, however, because the distance from the spandex pocket to the closing loop is greater. Bob

I've been using one of these since mid-2000 and love it. Works like a pullout, packs like a BOC. I've not heard it called a Russian-style - I got mine from Scott Chew of the Wild Humans rotation team. Here's a pic. Note that the handle is sewn inside the PC and "floats" once deployed. Also note the location of the pin relative to the pilot chute end of the bridle. It is important that only the fabric (purple) contact the spandex pocket (mesh inside) to prevent a hard pull. Bob

I'll assume your reply wasn't directed at me. I do nothing but CRW and most jumps are 5-10 minutes of non-stop pullups. I wear out the palms on a pair of Neumann tackified gloves in 75-100 jumps. Grip strength has never been an issue for me. Bob

I didn't give it much thought until few jumps after one particularly nasty wrap. As I was taking off my rig, I glanced at the left riser and noticed the closing loop had been burnt about half way though. Ever since then I've made a practice of doing a thorough main check a couple times a year and every time I'm in a wrap, entanglement, or cutaway. Bob

Try blocks wrapped with Vetrap. Very easy to grab and put anywhere you want with nothing to get snagged on. Bob

Wouldn't you know it, my wife and I will be vacationing in the Netherlands just three weeks (7/28 - 8/4) after this event. What a bummer - I'd love to jump with some euro CRWdogs! I'm planning to make my way to Teuge on Sat 8/2 if anyone is up for a few (I'd be more than happy to do some coach dives with you Saskia). Question for the locals: which train should I take and what stop do I get off at to get to Teuge from Amsterdam Centraal? Bob

I'd tell them the instructor made a critical mistake, paid the ultimate price for it, and that they should learn something from it: PULL! Bob

It´s not for freefall, I want to be able to do CRW more easily with heavy guys, even if I have the same size of canopy as they have (like if I borrow one of their canopies). I´m a rookie at crw and don´t want to make things more complicated than they already are. Get a CRW rig with a weight pocket on the backpad. That way under canopy the weight is on the rig, not you. Bob

I know rotation competitors that land shortlined (8') heavily loaded (1.8+) sequential trimmed Lightnings at 5000+ AGL. They've done it on rear risers a number of times as well (I have closer to sea level). It does take some skill but it's not that big a deal. Bob

Troll. Bob

If it's competion you can bet I'd continue to rotate! Rear riser over the back and front riser in. Save the throwaway for the cutaway after the wrap on the over-amp round. I know some rotation competitors who've rear-riserd short-lined Lightnings in these conditions. I'd do it myself provided I had some experience with normal landings at that altitude. Bob

My guess is a stowed slider and/or not fully up against the stops. Like several other posters, I think line dump is largely a myth. I jump a freepacked (no bag), tailpocked CRW canopy with a mesh slider. I can snake the lines in the pack tray and it won't slam me, but if I leave the slider down 4 inches - BAM! Bob