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radical is now defined as opposing discrimination. Interesting world of your's. actually, it is the radicals who were calling for discrimination against Phil Robertson for stating his opinion. And there was nothing in his opinion about discriminating against anyone. been covered for the last 100 posts here. some of you people have no understanding of what freedom of speech means. It does not mean that you can save whatever you want, without consequences. no one said you should say somthing without consequences. but A&E also will have to live with the consequences of their actions, and it won't be pretty. Crackerbarrell already backed down and basically apologized. A&E would have been smarter to state they don't agree with what Phil said, and then let the viewers decide whether they would continue to watch or not. As it is they will lose. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

read again what I wrote. That's nothing like what I said. that is indeed a quote from what you said. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

radical is now defined as opposing discrimination. Interesting world of your's. actually, it is the radicals who were calling for discrimination against Phil Robertson for stating his opinion. And there was nothing in his opinion about discriminating against anyone. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

The obvious flaw in this argument is that we exist in the real world, and we do in fact have judges in it, so we can observe the "actual" judgement. In fact, we participate in juries that render that judgement. The judge's role is to ensure that we stick to proper guidelines in the process, and then has some level of discretion in the actual sentencing if we return a guilty verdict. But any God and its judgement doesn't happen in our plane of existence. If it exists (and to me, that's a no), it happens in a different realm that we do not observe. Pretty convenient - you can't disprove anything that occurs in the afterlife. But that hasn't preclude religion (of all folds) from claiming to know it does, and that these other people, who either look different than us, or act different than us, or merely believe different than us, are FUCKING INFIDELS THAT WILL BE SQUASHED BY GOD. And btw, if you want to help God out and start the beating/killings now, God be with you. You're doing its work. So, sorry, I have a time time putting it on for size. Christians still fail at "love thy neighbor." Maybe not as badly as Muslims in the other side of the world do, but that's hardly a tall bar. If Christians behaved more like American Muslims or other minority religions, rather than pushing legislation like DMA and other shit to impose their will on the rest of us, no one would have an issue with them. except that Phil said absolutely nothing about "are FUCKING INFIDELS THAT WILL BE SQUASHED BY GOD. And btw, if you want to help God out and start the beating/killings now, God be with you. You're doing its work." Read what he said again. That is nothing like what he said. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Guess even A&E doesn't really believe in its own principles. Phil will be on air in January, and , A&E will air a "Duck Dynasty" marathon on Sunday, Dec. 22 If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rifle-designer-mikhail-kalashnikov-dead-94-21310543 from the story Kalashnikov, born into a peasant family in Siberia, began his working life as a railroad clerk. After he joined the Red Army in 1938, he began to show mechanical flair by inventing several modifications for Soviet tanks. The moment that firmly set his course was in the 1941 battle of Bryansk against Nazi forces, when a shell hit his tank. Recovering from wounds in the hospital, Kalashnikov brooded about the superior automatic rifles he'd seen the Nazis deploy; his rough ideas and revisions bore fruit five years later. "Blame the Nazi Germans for making me become a gun designer," said Kalashnikov. "I always wanted to construct agricultural machinery." In 2007, President Vladimir Putin praised him, saying "The Kalashnikov rifle is a symbol of the creative genius of our people." Over his career, he was decorated with numerous honors, including the Hero of Socialist Labor and Order of Lenin and Stalin Prize. But because his invention was never patented, he didn't get rich off royalties. "At that time in our country patenting inventions wasn't an issue. We worked for Socialist society, for the good of the people, which I never regret," he once said. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

between this and, (pretty much every one of) Jakee's posts in this forum I'm out of here How hard is it to have a dialogue with Jerry without being assholes to him? The irony is this is a facet of pretty much what he's trying to get across. Disagree, or even give the appearance to possibly have something that may or may not give an illusion of disagreement and the self proclaimed "tolerant" crap all over discussion and trying to clarify what the meaning is, instead they start to dehumanize the other immediately. (that's pretty much the 'anti' of tolerance) this, yup. look it up. the treatment of white sharecroppers in the south is pretty much not that far different from the treatment of black sharecroppers. You (sorry, that's quade, not rehma) really do need to attend some classes in being reasonable. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Customer complaints are fairly good indicators of harm in most cases. There was an article to the effect that Cracker Barrel had pulled their sponsorship (I just spotted the headline). Since advertising pays the bills, losing an account is a pretty compelling basis for canning an actor. In the marketplace 'fairness' does not hold sway. You could, for instance, be the best newscaster in the world, but if Toys R Us is the primary sponsor they can insist that a pair of cute 6 year old twins replace you, and that is their prerogative. If you can find someone who will pay more than Toys R Us to keep you, you will likely stay. You could have the most dismal ratings in your time slot, but a sponsor can pay an inordinate amount to have things their way, so even ratings are incidental to economics. If the advertising dollars are there, the show will stay on the air. Whether Mr. Robertson's Bronze Age take on things is good, bad or indifferent is immaterial from the standpoint of staying in business. He had every right to say what he did, and he did so. A&E had every right to send him packing, and they did so. Anyone who wants to hire him and get great ratings is free to do so, and I suppose he will get better offers than from A&E. It seems from my standpoint that things are working out for the best for everyone. BSBD, Winsor I see on the news today that cracker barrel has not only put duck dynasty merchandise back on their shelves, but actually made a statement that THEY WERE WRONG TO REMOVE IT, THEY MADE A MISTAKE and they support a person's right to state his opinion. So far, that is the only information I have on it. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

So a person for whom tolerance is a value must be tolerant of those who are intolerant? Your argument has some logical force, I concede. But how, then, does a tolerant person express disapproval of a racist or a homophobe? On your logic, the truly tolerant person can never do this, but instead must stay silent even when faced with viewpoints directly opposed to their values. How can change ever happen on your logic, where no one can ever stand up to the bigot and say, no, your attitude is wrong and hurtful, and we will not tolerate it? that's not what he said at all. We've been talking about the differences between voicing opinions and taking actions. While A & E has the right to fire Phil, the better choice, IMO would have been to let him go on and see what America thinks. If they don't have a problem with Phil voicing his opinion, the show would continue. If they do, the audience will drop off, ad revenue would go down, the show would get cut. As it is, A & E is going to lose out big time. And they should, because while they have the right to cut Phil loose, the audience has the right to punish them for it by unsuscribing. We'll know in a couple of years. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I thought we elected politicians to make laws so we had some sort of controls on them - like they campaign on them, then once they're in the house they debate them before voting on them. But it seems here in canada some want bureaucrats to pass laws. I guess that makes it safer for politicians - they can say it wasn't their idea.... http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/12/20131221-160152.html If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Out of print and banned are two different things. Further, an author withdrawing his work from the public is part of what is known as his "moral rights." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights_(copyright_law) from what I understand this author doesn't own the rights. He sold it lock stock and barrel. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

I caught wind of this today. I think these stories rarely show up on people's radar. What it will not solve is the noise and the flicker that is making people sick won't help the bats or birds killed either. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Reports now are saying "Multiple Weapons" reported by Law Enforcement Officials in Fort Bend County. ***By M. Alex Johnson, Staff Writer, NBC News A quick-thinking teacher may have saved other lives Friday by trying to lure a gunman away from teenagers at a Colorado high school, where the young man wounded a fellow student before killing himself, authorities said. The injured student, a 15-year-old girl, was critically wounded and was in surgery after the gunman shot her at Arapahoe High School in Centennial. Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said initial reports that the student confronted the gunman turned out not to be true. A second student initially believed to have been wounded turned out only to have been splattered with some of the girl's blood, Robinson said at a news briefing late Friday. The shooter, identified as Karl Halverson Pierson, 18, a student at the school, appeared to be seeking revenge against a specific teacher after an earlier confrontation, Robinson said. He said Pierson said he was looking for the teacher by name when the incident began about 12:33 p.m. (2:33 p.m. ET) "The teacher exited the school immediately, which was, in my opinion, the most important tactical decision that could have been made," Robinson said. "That was a very wise tactical decision to try to take the student with him." An army of officers responded, having dramatically changed their standing orders after the deaths of 12 students and a teacher 14 years ago at Columbine High School — just about 10 miles away. Instead of waiting for backup, they rushed in immediately. They found Pierson in a classroom about 20 minutes after they began their search, Robinson said. He said investigators knew his identity and were talking to his family, even as his body remained inside the school Friday night. Robinson said two devices similar to Molotov cocktails were also found in the building, one of which created a cloud of smoke and the other of which was disarmed. As darkness fell, SWAT officers with dogs were still at the school. Police, sheriff's deputies and agents of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives obtained a search warrant and barreled into a home about 4 miles from the school, looking for any other possible weapons or clues. No one appeared to be home, a neighbor said. "An ATF agent said we should stay in the house," she told NBC station KUSA of Denver. "I didn't ask any questions." 'I was just freaking out' A janitor first spotted the gunman and alerted authorities. The man, who said he wanted to be identified only as Fabian, said the gunman was running side to side, kind of military style." "I looked to see if there was a gun," Fabian told KUSA. "It was a shotgun.""When he went into the library, he said, 'Where is Murphy?'" Fabian said. Robinson confirmed that the gunman was armed with a shotgun. Students described a scene of terror when the shooting started. "I heard three shots, and then the school went into lockdown," Camden Flinders, 14, a freshman, told NBC News. "I saw the blood in the study center and in the gym. We could see blood on the floor. ... "We went on lockdown for about 20 to 30 minutes. There was big line of police and blood splatters by the gym and the study center," he said. Madison Berry, a senior at the school, said she had taken classes with the gunman. "He was very outspoken — always involved with class discussion," she said. "So it was kind of odd to see that he was the one who did this." "You would never expect this to happen at such a great school as Arapahoe," she added. Parents were being asked to gather at nearby schools and churches, the sheriff's office said. They dropped whatever they were doing to rush to the scene — one was seen in full medical scrubs, as though he had just raced out of a doctor's office, KUSA reported. Camden Flinders' father, Marcus Flinders, was working at an area Latter-day Saints temple when he got the news from a fellow congregant. "I broke down. I thought my son was one of the ones who was injured," he said. "I was pretty much crying. It was really traumatic." 'A traumatic situation' Authorities said that while they had no indication of a second shooter, they proceeded as though there might have been one as a matter of caution. Students were led out of the building with their arms in the air, some of them being patted down by police. "The kids have been through a traumatic situation," Robinson said. "We need to ensure that anyone we evacuate isn't part of our problem. We're doing the evacuation slowly and deliberately." President Barack Obama was briefed about the shooting, White House officials said. Arapahoe High School, with 2,000 students, is an affluent suburb of Denver in the same county where James Eagan Holmes is accused of having killed 12 people in a movie theater in the town of Aurora last year. Asked whether the shooting might have some connection to Saturday's anniversary of the deadly shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., Robinson replied simply, "No." Tom Costello, Pete Williams, Azhar Fateh, Simon Moya-Smith and Geoff Tofield contributed to this report. Best- Richard so by multiple weapons, they meant a shotgun and 2 molotov cocktails>? Better make molotov cocktails illegal If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

on a broken-down runway a week ago Sunday just as we climbed in our plane there by a car bumper there stood a strange jumper he seemed to be almost insane. He said with a shout can I follow you out but he sure had a strange=lookin rig it was a front mounted pretzel an eddie grimm 'special' while the rest on the load wore a pig.... well after the jump when it came time to dump and the ten man had finally split after cutting away from his first mal today this new guy was starting to shit his reserve wasn't working after lots of hard jerking and just when we thought he was dead in a voice that was splitting' from the bricks he was shitting he looked at his poptop and said you picked a fine time to fail me reserve 400 feet and I'm losin my nerve I've had some sad ones lived thru some bad ones but this one I just don't deserve You picked a fine time to fail me reserve If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/a-breach-of-civil-rights/2924691378001#2923814901001 pretty long, but some interesting stuff. still no answers. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

It shouldn't have been a policy to begin with. Day 1 it should have been challenged by a parent walking up and saying I'm taking my kid home. That is a school policy of which I am familiar that are the result of automotive chaos at the end of the school day, probably more than one child either being hurt or close to becoming hurt by a vehicle, parents getting out of their cars and threatening each other, neighborhood safety, blocking the neighborhood because everyone wants to grab johnny and take off, so there is no sense of order. I live a block from the school and everyone's thought of they're more entitled to be first without being in line is ridiculous. Two final points; this type of policy is usually a reaction to a series of situations and in "most cases" not without a parents being invited to discussion at the school board meetings to discuss the matter.... in which 99% of the time; the parents don't show. I've also seen school policies where balls are banned from the schoolyard because of a series of situations, usually involving someone getting hit by a ball when they weren't watching. I don't agree with that, either. And I believe from the coverage I saw that that was a play by the principal without input from anyone else (the ball situation, not the walking/driving situation, which I only know of through the media coverage). If it's not a board policy, I doubt it would be covered at a board meeting, unless people raised objections after they found out about it. It 'might' be brought up with the school council beforehand, but again, principals do seem to have dictatorial powers in their own schools - coming up with their own solutions that are sometimes totally opposite to what school board policies might be. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

You obviously aren't very familiar with schools, busing and/or dismissal procedures in the current day and age. Maybe you should hang around a school at dismissal time for a week before you comment. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

After being burned several times at different restaurants in a relatively short period of time, I stopped putting a tip on the credit card whenever possible. I leave cash for a tip, and put a -0- in the tip line and the total on both receipts. If I get caught without cash for a tip, I'll write the tip on both receipts so I know for sure what I gave as the tip when I get my monthly cc statement. I don't like it when someone 'assumes' what tip I'm going to give for a meal. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Lincoln was a healer? That's why he gave Sherman the green light to commit war crimes and atrocities across the southern states, in the full knowledge of what he was doing against civilians? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

So what? Bill Booth's instructor had 6 jumps. yeah, but back then 6 jumps was a lot. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Why do you hate bundles of sticks? They're talking about cigarettes, man, you know smoking's fallen out of favor, now. I mean, they don't want it in movies or tv anymore, even. That's a crime, man. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

You have a point. i can see the difference in this example. It would be more then vandalism. Hmmm time to rethink this one. I don't - graffiti is graffiti regardless of the topic - it's defacing another's property. (If the "content" incites other crimes - like assault, etc, then those are separate crimes that stand on their own and need to be addressed as they stand). How do you trial one case where the guy painted that swastika and the other case where an ignorant vandal spray painted something that 'kinda looks' like a swastika? at that point, you aren't working the crime, you are working on society by committing further injustice on the individual (first you punish them correctly for the act of defacing another's property, then you take out societal frustration upon the guy because you have no other target - one is justice, the other is a witch hunt - a lazy, political and childish witch hunt). How do you justify an increased punishment on one person for "potential" that he might incite a total stranger to commit a crime? Isn't the next crime the responsibility of the next criminal? It's so incredibly rife with unequal punishment under the law I'm amazed the concept every got any traction - but that's politics and ignorance in action. I'm for punishing someone based on their actions, NOT on their thoughts, NOT on the actions of others. It's that simple. Highly liberal laws punish people based on (what they, in a biased way think is) their thoughts. Highly conservative societies punish people based on (what they, in a biased way think is) their thoughts. Highly religious societies punish people based on (what they, in a biased way think is) their thoughts. If you look at it clearly - hate crime is a clear symptom of very extremist, very intolerant, societies. "Hate crime" is just another way to try to enforce and control thought and morals beyond just responding to the actions of a person. Assault is assault and should be punished equally. Why does it matter what's in the mind of the person that commits it? Why does it matter if the victim is one race or religion over another? The crime is the attack, not the (perceived) thought process. Anything else is pure bias and more "ism" preferencing. Down that road is a pretty crappy place that just reinforces what we want to evolve past in the first place. The only logical responses to my position are "social engineering" type arguments. (I know, someone will note that punishing murder = 'social engineering' - that tangent is obtuse and redirecting and boring). So it come down to a person's opinion on individualism vs otherwise. bravo. good post. Although I can see that some people are with you over it. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

Displaying a confederate flag is a hate crime? What about the confederate kepi I wear all summer long? If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

The whole rest of your post negated by this. Shame.Do yourself a favor and research Frank Marshall Davis and his relationship with Barack Hussein Obama. Do yourself a favour, stop parroting right wing talking points and learn to think critically. HTH Do yourself a favor and stop believing that just because you see something one way, anyone who's sees it another way is wrong. Sheesh. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

According to a former student of mine who is now an EMT, it is not uncommon for patients to be transported to the hospital without their wallet/purse/proof of insurance or bank account. When a patient is having a heart attack or has been in a serious wreck, seconds count (ever hear of the "golden hour"?). EMTs don't waste time looking for the purse or wallet that flew out the car window in the wreck, or searching the house for proof of insurance before transporting the patient. When that patient gets to the hospital, medical staff evaluate the patient and begin treatment as soon as is necessary to have a shot at saving their life. Police or family will bring in the ID/insurance info when they can. Do you really want a system where people are left to die because their purse flew out the window in the wreck, or because the EMTs don't know where to look for an unconscious heart attack victims wallet? Where people who have paid for insurance are denied care just when they most need it because of a circumstance beyond their control. Lawrocket, I've asked you this before when you brought up the "get rid of EMTALA" line, and you never answer. Perhaps you are thinking solely of the person who walks into the emergency clinic and demands care they have no intention or ability to pay for, but there are lots of ways for an unresponsive patient to arrive at the hospital without ID. If you advocate getting rid of EMTALA, how do you think hospitals should deal with such patients? Don Maybe the answer would be to implant a chip with insurance info into a person's body. Put it in their torso so if they lose an arm in the accident, or a leg, the chip doesn't get left behind at the scene. If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone