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Since the recent Mr Bill trick, there has been an increase in the buzz about Mr Bill type skydives around here, and in the real world. I'm not uber-experienced, but I've done a successful and an unsuccessful Mr Bill. This is the story of the unsuccessful one, as well as some other observations. Names and places changed to protect the guilty. First, some glossary. Alice and Bob - just names, Mr Bill - the type of skydive, as well as the person whose parachute is deployed first, Sluggo - the person hanging on to Mr Bill. So, it's a cold winter day, just enough to go up to maybe 6,000' in a C206 with a cargo door. Bob has been doing Mr Bills for the last couple of days, so I decide "heck, why not?" and go up with him for my pre-second Mr Bill. We ask Alice to static-line us when we leave by holding on to Bob's pilot chute until our deploying canopy rips the pilot chute out of Alice's hands, and not a second earlier. This is because Bob figures that it's very difficult to launch a stable Mr Bill out the door, and that's when we need to pull, so he wants Alice to treat us like an unstable IAD student. So, 6,000' rolls around, I wrap myself tight around Bob, we give Bob's PC to Alice and roll out the door, trying to stay as stable as we can without any real control. Guess what Alice does? That's right folks, Alice tosses the PC right after us! As this is my pre-second Mr Bill, I wasn't sure what was supposed to happen. A couple of seconds after exit, I figure something is wrong and pull away in my death grip to look at Bob's face. The look of terror that I saw confirms my suspicion. I push away, separate, lose one of my gloves, almost lose my shoe, and immediately go into a hard track. As I'm tracking away, I can see Bob shaking the PC off his hand and his canopy beginning to deploy. I flip on my back to see that my friend is not about to die. By 4,000' on my altimeter, I saw his canopy properly deploy, flip over, stop my track and pull. To top it all off, we land off the DZ. What happened? We rolled on exit and the PC wrapped around my foot. As I let go and pushed away, the PC cleared me and wrapped around Bob instead. This could have easily turned ugly. Being skydivers, we shook off the shivers, kicked the very apologetic Alice around a bit and went up to try again. This time we got an experienced IAD instructor with over 2,000 jumps to static-line us and the Mr Bill went smoothly. The lessons to learn here are: a) Aim for stability, plan for instability. Don't give anything a chance to wrap around anyone. b) Sluggo should grip Mr Bill in such a way as to make it easy to let go. Putting hands under harnesses is a bad idea. c) Don't try Mr Bills unless you are comfortable in freefall. If everything goes right, no problem. If something goes wrong, you have to be able to deal with it, and it's not so hard to get things to go wrong on a Mr Bill. d) 5,000' - 6,000' is a minimum. Anything below that and things would have gotten hairy. e) If you're Sluggo, hold on! You'll get yanked around pretty hard. Watch for handles, try not to hold on to Mr Bill's harness. Don't try this at terminal. At best Sluggo will just let go. At worst, broken bones and dislocated joints. After watching someone land a 66 VX with a dislocated shoulder, let me tell you, it's not something I would plan on trying. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

No offense, but at 59 jumps I think you're being a little too forceful. First of all, the poster may only have 21 jumps, but he probably got the advice from his instructor, or at least ran it by them. Chutem's profile says he's from Eloy, so his instructor probably has something like 100 times your skydives. I wouldn't be so quick at dismissing this advice. Second, the post you replied to had three sentences, one of which was dedicated to stating that the poster is inexperienced, and none of which told anyone what to do. He was only relaying his own personal experience. There's no need to yell. It would be a great shame if this type of response prevented chutem, or anyone else, from posting further advice on this forum, especially advice they got from instructors with thousands of jumps. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

AFAIK, this is a terrible idea, and is probably what caused your sinus problem. I'm not a doctor and I don't really understand the reason for it, but a doctor told me never to do this. It's better not to jump with a cold, but if you're gonna do it, suck it up and deal with the sniffles. Again, this is just what a doctor told me, I don't know much more than this. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

www.skydiveburnaby.com The best dropzone around, hands down The only full time Twin Otter in Canada, and overall a great place. We are right next to Skydive Niagara. Burnaby is where the Canadian bigway records are happening every year. We have a growing birdman population with several instructors. Lots of freefliers and some excellent flat fliers, including the Canadian national 4 way team, Stratosfear. Come on out, if you don't like it you can always head down to Niagara, they're only 20 minutes away. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Hey Zenister, this misty wetness we both feel? That's us pissing in the wind Crude but true -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Are you a skydiver or a tunnel rat? We all went through this. Heck, I'm going through this all over again now that I'm learning to sitfly relative to others. This is a difficult sport, and it only gets harder as you progress. You will be frustrated much worse than you are now. You have to learn to deal with frustration and with not learning at the pace you would like to learn. We all wish we could be Rook Nelson, right this very moment, but we are not, and probably never will be. What you need right now is jumps jumps jumps. What good is the tunnel camp going to be if you can't jump for half a year afterwards, get all rusty and forget everything? Get a rig, do some jumps, learn your canopy, get some thorough coaching, and that backslide will go away in no time. You're most likely backsliding because you're too tense and can't relax, anyway. How is the tunnel going to help you with that? Only thing that helps with this is more skydiving! RIG! Anyway, that's my non-coach, 200 jump wonder opinion, take it for what it's worth. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

True, you use both body positions extensively in some dives. I do not see how you can argue though that sitflying and backflying are the same thing, differing by only a few details. There's a whole lot more difference than detail there. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

This form of argument does not work. By the same reasoning, sitflying and backflying are the same thing, since the only difference is in the pitch of the skydiver. It may look similar to an observer, but the flight mode for your body may be completely different. If someone who expects flocking will not be able to stay in the dive and someone who expects tracking will not be able to stay in the dive, it is neither flocking nor tracking. Yes, atmonauti sounds a bit cheesy. When you invent your own form of skydiving, you can call it whatever you want -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

It's a point of argument whether I'm experienced or not, but I wouldn't do it. That close to the stall point your canopy is very susceptible to turbulence, which means spins and collapses, which is the last thing you want on final. Coincidentally, the cold "edges" of a thermal are quite turbulent and this type of turbulence applies pressure downwards on the canopy, the worst possible scenario in any flight mode, not just near the stall point. In fact, even airlocks are useless in this scenario. I suppose that if you're using this technique, you're already very long on your pattern, and could very well be flying out of the thermal. I think it's a much better idea to learn the accuracy trick, to fly the pattern properly and have well fitting harnesses so that flying in a thermal is not such a big deal. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

That's very strange. I've had a great experience with them. My altimaster 3 had its lens fall out. I'm really attached to that altimeter, I've had it since student status, so I wanted to fix it. The alti is not a galaxy, it's one of the original alti3's, so I figured the lens is not replacable. I did not have a warranty since I didn't send in the card, and I lost the receipt. So, I email them on Friday about the cost, and I include the serial number in the email. Come back on Monday from the usual weekend skydiving, and there's an email from them. They checked the serial number and the casing was made with lens treads in it, so I should be able to put in a new lens. Then, to top it all off, their dealer at our DZ just gave me a lens for free. With no charge, in less than a week, I had my alti working again, and it's working to this day. Sorry to hear your experience didn't go so well. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

I agree. One of the ingredients is to have something in common. If you live, breathe, eat and sleep skydiving, then that is the only thing you can have in common with someone and so you can only have relationships with skydivers. At 50 jumps, I say definitely give it a shot. You can't be that far down the hole yet -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

We do the same thing, and I think it's because it's Mexican or something. Some of the controls in the cockpit are labelled in Spanish. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Hey, that's N228! That's the plane we jump from here at Burnaby! Awesome, I love that plane Carry on -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

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How about a jump story? A newer skydiver was doing a rodeo with a birdman in the morning yesterday. Me and a buddy were doing a 2 way, so we asked them if we could make it a 4 way and chase them in a track. Picture the first load of the day, a birdman with his wings inflated with a grinning cute girl on his back, towering cumuli everywhere on the horizon, cool but not cold air, a dropzone near a crystal clear beach, and 11,000' of tracking through layers of small puffies. If that doesn't make you smile, I don't know what will. Unfortunately, I lost them on exit and never really caught up, though I came close a couple of times, but watching that even from far away made my day. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Sweet. Gonna add that one to my bag of tricks. Thanks for the learning experience, and good job on surviving -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

I see, thank you for the explanation. In this case, perhaps it would have worked to pull your finger down maybe 4 inches below the ring, grab the line right at the ring so that tension around your finger is released, quickly yank your finger out and go back to level flight? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Would simply letting go of the toggle have fixed the knot? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

It almost sounds like there was a batch of Neptunes made with a defective temperature sensor. The temperature and pressure sensors are probably one unit, too. Won't stop me from getting one as soon as I have the money for it. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

It's probably using DirectShow to stream the video. If you have a newer videocard, the rendering of the video will be taken over by the videocard. PrintScreen is Windows level and can't handle that. You need one of them utilities for taking DirectX-rendered screenshots. They're typically used for games. Edited to add: First shot at searching download.com returned this: http://www.download.com/Screenshot-Magic/3000-2192-10286096.html?tag=lst-0-1 -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

And, of course, how can we forget: Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Cause you need lots of disposable income Kidding Out here the geeks are in the minority, but we're getting stronger. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Long you live and high you fly, The smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry, All you touch and all you see Is all your life will ever be. I've got a little black book with my poems in... Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn? Remember how she said that we will meet again Some sunny day... Hey you, can you help me carry the stone? Open your heart, I'm coming home. The lunatic is on the grass. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

The handles are more expensive than the freebag and pilot chute?! Why? Pardon me if I had my head stuck up my ass for two years, that just really surprises me. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

Dude, there's no way in hell this stuff costs that much. $600 for handles?! Those handles had better pull themselves and land right in front of manifest for that much money! Maybe they made a mistake when sending it through customs, and customs charged you some ridiculous amount? I got my used Jav with the reserve already in it for $750 USD... -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.