Trae 1 #1 January 21, 2006 Are any military jumpers getting with the wingsuit program? Halo insertions could take on a whole new meaning. Strap some micro jets on and then ......??? (shhhhhh) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #2 January 21, 2006 Tactical wingsuit insertion is simply not efficient. You can't carry any load at all, and there is no possible way you are going to cover as much ground as you can on a HAHO stand-off jump. No, there is no branch of the US military testing wingsuits for any such purpose. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #3 January 21, 2006 1947 - the French Air Force let Leo Valentin test some of his wingsuits out of their airplanes. 2004 - a French Government wind tunnel did a bit of testing for the French Army and showed some snazzy concept sketches at the 2004 PIA Symposium. 2005 - the US Army Golden Knights strutted a few new wingsuits. The toughest challenge is getting Special Forces operators the 200 jumps - needed before they try wingsuits - along with keeping all their other Taliban-killing skills current. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #4 January 21, 2006 The Golden Knights bought a few suits and are going to be working on some "super diamond tracks" at Yuma this month (and next) to potentially add some spice to their shows. They are not doing any "tactical feasibility testing". Edited to add that any such "testing" in the US military would be conducted by the Airborne and Special Operations Test Board here on Fort Bragg. I can promise you there is simply no thought of any such testing over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #5 January 21, 2006 Quote Strap some micro jets on and then ......??? Get shot down? I dunno, seems like a wingsuit / jet would be an easy, if small, target... A flock of bird soldiers against a CIWS wouldn't stand a chance. Maybe that's what Birdman should be working on...Stealth...My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #6 January 21, 2006 chuck rememeber the SKYRAY... not a wingsuit BUT... I heard the German Military were testing 2 versions... The sports verison that goes about 10k, and a larger version that goes 100k in distance....Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris74 0 #7 January 21, 2006 Hi birds, No WS in the french army too , we just have experimented for tactical insertion a special paraglider from Nervures ( glide ratio 6 exit only 12000 ft ! those who have performed HAHO jumps will enjoy and understand the progress and comfort ! ) Blue skies Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #8 January 22, 2006 in reply to "Maybe that's what Birdman should be working on...Stealth... ................................................................ nice idea faceted wingsuit . Sort of more seriously ....flat stiffish panels on the undersurface would increase the wings efficiency and perhaps allow for extensions past the arms width. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #9 January 22, 2006 the V1 has stiffiners in it....Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #10 January 22, 2006 in reply to "the V1 has stiffiners in it.... " .................... Yeah and aint it hot.... love those hand control rods. I was thinking more like a stiffish panel covering the majority of the span(rather than the relatively narrow tabs in the V1) to provide a much more definite and less changeable lower wing surface . Awkward to fold perhaps but the advantages might be worth it. Similar to how going to a metal skinned wing increased efficiencies over fabric wings in aircraft. Making the the top surface stiff would be trickier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #11 January 22, 2006 in reply to " rememeber the SKYRAY... not a wingsuit BUT... I heard the German Military were testing 2 versions... The sports verison that goes about 10k, and a larger version that goes 100k in distance.... " .................................. Any more info on this or is it a bit hush hush.? 100km range would need a fair size fuel tank needing an increased wing-area meaning more weight needing a bigger wing etc. This thing must be a fair size. In-flight refueling?? Speaking about the Skyray does any-one have any flight experiences in it to share? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #12 January 22, 2006 Highly unlikely as Skymoney said limited payload, navigating at night from under canopy fine, on a wingsuit possible but tedious and insufficient glide path relative to the existing methods. And if they were would they be posting details on the web? I think not.Dont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #13 January 22, 2006 http://www.skyray.de/ no fuel tanks, no engine or motor, Gravity is the only engine....Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #14 January 22, 2006 So does the S3s, in fact, i beleive it has more.Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #15 January 22, 2006 100km in a modded Skyray with no motor and only using gravity would be some major achievment. Seeing what other info is available in the world of military aviation a bit of chatter here would be no big deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #16 January 22, 2006 not modded... moreover just biggerLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #17 January 22, 2006 Some shots of this SkyRay on roids would be Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #18 January 22, 2006 I heard it was supposed to have compartments for more gear... I doubt it would have built in wpns systems though. No air to air combat with other planes planned. how embarrassing would that be to get shot down by a silent skyray flyer?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trae 1 #19 January 22, 2006 in reply to "how embarrassing would that be to get shot down by a silent skyray flyer? " ................. It'd hurt just as much. years ago I saw some footage of a gadget as big as a 44gallon drum powered by jets that took off and flew at high speed over long distances ..carrying one person. Apparently gyro stabilised . After a couple of decades of developement that same gadget would probably look like a UFO to our eyes. talk about hush ..nothing to be found about this now. The HP Skyray would be like it's retarded little brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #20 January 23, 2006 We discussed this some time back but the Switchblade was the focus at the time. While it has far greater range than a skyray, some of the same shortcomings that I outlined to the designer of the Switchblade hold true for the Skyray as well."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trae 1 #21 January 23, 2006 That's one fun loooking gadget..... but it's very different from the take -off and fly across the tree tops item I saw (only on film ) It had the pilot standing up and leaning to direct it. + multi jet support ...no wings. So what hapened to the switch-blade? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #22 January 23, 2006 QuoteSo what hapened to the switch-blade? It found it's glory in a Hollywood movie and that pretty much it. The reasons I listed in the thread are just the beginning of why the military hasn't adopted it."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccordia 73 #23 January 23, 2006 I may have heard somewhere that a skyray landing is being worked on...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ernokaikkonen 0 #24 January 23, 2006 >I may have heard somewhere that a skyray landing is being worked on... People land gliders and airplanes all the time. What's the big deal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites needycrybaby 0 #25 January 23, 2006 how about air-to-air combat with other wingsuits? that would be hella cool endyEvery man needs his own cunt to be following.>>>already perfected the suck-Fucka-buck™©®<< BASE no-knowledge info file Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
leroydb 0 #18 January 22, 2006 I heard it was supposed to have compartments for more gear... I doubt it would have built in wpns systems though. No air to air combat with other planes planned. how embarrassing would that be to get shot down by a silent skyray flyer?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #19 January 22, 2006 in reply to "how embarrassing would that be to get shot down by a silent skyray flyer? " ................. It'd hurt just as much. years ago I saw some footage of a gadget as big as a 44gallon drum powered by jets that took off and flew at high speed over long distances ..carrying one person. Apparently gyro stabilised . After a couple of decades of developement that same gadget would probably look like a UFO to our eyes. talk about hush ..nothing to be found about this now. The HP Skyray would be like it's retarded little brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #20 January 23, 2006 We discussed this some time back but the Switchblade was the focus at the time. While it has far greater range than a skyray, some of the same shortcomings that I outlined to the designer of the Switchblade hold true for the Skyray as well."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #21 January 23, 2006 That's one fun loooking gadget..... but it's very different from the take -off and fly across the tree tops item I saw (only on film ) It had the pilot standing up and leaning to direct it. + multi jet support ...no wings. So what hapened to the switch-blade? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #22 January 23, 2006 QuoteSo what hapened to the switch-blade? It found it's glory in a Hollywood movie and that pretty much it. The reasons I listed in the thread are just the beginning of why the military hasn't adopted it."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #23 January 23, 2006 I may have heard somewhere that a skyray landing is being worked on...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #24 January 23, 2006 >I may have heard somewhere that a skyray landing is being worked on... People land gliders and airplanes all the time. What's the big deal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
needycrybaby 0 #25 January 23, 2006 how about air-to-air combat with other wingsuits? that would be hella cool endyEvery man needs his own cunt to be following.>>>already perfected the suck-Fucka-buck™©®<< BASE no-knowledge info file Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
