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I think I may have mis-usderstood what you were saying. I completely agree that teaching someone "cause their gonna do it anyway" is not the right attitude. We have found that most of the guys that want to start to soon are freeflyers. With the equipment that is available today, (side mount cameras and so on) there is a false sense of security in the skydiving community that doesn't see the dangers involved with flying camera.
If you look in the thread "deployment techniques" you will see a post I put in there about how we start a lot of the new guys that want to shoot video for hire. Most of the low timers bail during the 2-way jumps with me (thats when they see its a little harder than they thought). That was what I meant when I said showing is better than telling.
Pendejo
He who swoops the ditch and does not get out buys the BEER!!
If you look in the thread "deployment techniques" you will see a post I put in there about how we start a lot of the new guys that want to shoot video for hire. Most of the low timers bail during the 2-way jumps with me (thats when they see its a little harder than they thought). That was what I meant when I said showing is better than telling.
Pendejo
He who swoops the ditch and does not get out buys the BEER!!
I completely understand the fact that "you have to lay in the bed you made for yourself," cover your own ass & act conservatively for your own well being as well as those around you. Sure some people take to video like a duck to water, but i'd be willing to bet that most people don't. There will be some period (hopefully their whole career) where they need to be willing to seek out advice & take constructive criticism. That takes good intentions.
Good intentions can't be acted on without skill...
Skill won't exist without experience...
Experience doesn't accumulate until you practice...
People that do practice are the ones that tend to be conservative, safe & spend the time
to prepare before the shit hits the fan.
What i'm trying to say is that it's all connected. Saying one part is more valuable is like saying the chain holding my neighbor's vicious dog to the tree will still hold him if it isn't connected to his collar. I don't want to be on the receiving end of that. Personally i've got the gear i need, but I may just sell my video camera so there isn't a temptation or pressure from others to put it on a helmet any time soon. Especially when people have already offered to have me borrow their camera helmet, or camera, or get my own & start jumping it. "Thanks for the offer." "I'll take it as a compliment." "It's too soon for me." That's what i've said and will continue to say.
thanks for the good discussion
matt
Good intentions can't be acted on without skill...
Skill won't exist without experience...
Experience doesn't accumulate until you practice...
People that do practice are the ones that tend to be conservative, safe & spend the time
to prepare before the shit hits the fan.
What i'm trying to say is that it's all connected. Saying one part is more valuable is like saying the chain holding my neighbor's vicious dog to the tree will still hold him if it isn't connected to his collar. I don't want to be on the receiving end of that. Personally i've got the gear i need, but I may just sell my video camera so there isn't a temptation or pressure from others to put it on a helmet any time soon. Especially when people have already offered to have me borrow their camera helmet, or camera, or get my own & start jumping it. "Thanks for the offer." "I'll take it as a compliment." "It's too soon for me." That's what i've said and will continue to say.
thanks for the good discussion
matt
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3 years in the sport, actually.
However, 3 years is still more then 2 years. The experienced gained over the years is really just as important, if not more important then just jumps. I've seen folks blast through jumps and get 700+ their first year of jumping. Were they good skydivers? Sure. Were they experienced skydivers? Hell no, they hadn't been around long enough to experience a lot of different aspects of the sport and what happens when shit happens.
just to piggy back on that reply...
i think the original reason for the numbers is because a decade ago it probably wasn't as easy to get 10 jumps in on any given day. In order to reach the 500 milestone you probably had some dedication and some time in the sport. nowaday we can quick burn to 500+ jumps in a year etc. I wonder when those numbers were decided and how the sport has sped up comparably?
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Thats one thing. Others were talking about instructing them beacuse they would do the jumps anyway, and they'd be better off with the help. This is what I disagree with.
I understand that at some point, all skydiving activites come down to the individual jumper (tandems aside). However, unlike swooping, birdman, or even freefly, shooting video involves jumping with others who are not paying attention to what you are doing, or are unable to do anything about it anyway (such as tandems, beacuse once the drouge is out, all those guys can do is pull a handle).
I'll take a newbie up to freefly with me anytime. I got my eye on him the whole time, and I'm in control of the situation. Having a newbie film a four way I'm on? Not gonna happen. I'm focused on the four way, and who knows what the noob is doing out there.
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