mountainman 0 #1 January 22, 2003 I finally got read some of the postings regarding the riser inserts that can help ease the pressure of a cutaway when the risers are twisted up. I am wondering which you think are best ? I hear they have plastic and metal inserts. Which are better ? Or... are there other types that I don't know of that may be even better ? Thanks for all your help. http://www.brandonandlaura.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 35 #2 January 22, 2003 I just had it done, and got the metal ones from RW for my Vector 3 rig. I don't have the experience to tell you why metal would be better, it just seems like it would be more durable to me. Plus, it was only $30 to buy them and get them installed, so it's not like the metal ones break the bank.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #3 January 22, 2003 The sunpath plastic ones are the best plastic ones on the market, but the metal are the best option in my opinion. I've heard of home made ones, but I would'nt come within 50 feet of jumping those since they are not as high quality as manufactored ones.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #4 January 22, 2003 Metal. Definitely. If you don't have them Brandon let me know and I'll send you two sets. (Laura should have 'em too!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #5 January 22, 2003 Quote. I don't have the experience to tell you why metal would be better,reply] There is a possibility the plastic ones can be crushed. It's not likely but possible. If you read My overly worded lengthy Post in talk back Poll: Reserve: repack or pencil? I believe that inserts MAY have helped. But given the conditions of the risers and the type of channel it's tough to say. I am finally inserting metal ones when I get home tonightMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rgoper 0 #6 January 22, 2003 in a severe line twist situation, or a hard cut-away situation (for what ever reason) the metal housings provide a rigid internal housing for the cut away lines, thus virtually eliminating the "hard cut away" by reducing the internal friction on the cut away lines on your handle.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigging65 0 #7 January 22, 2003 I once heard someone argue against metal inserts by saying something to the effect of "...if you were to slam them in your car door or something like that, they could crush..." I guess they could, but if you're such and idiot that you slam your risers in your car door AND don't check your gear afterwards, I think you have bigger problems. Metal is easy, they flex well and they fit 3/4 inch cable channels like a glove. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #8 January 22, 2003 ya, you guys didn't send any with my rig, and i have vx, even more prone to spining mals. but i won't bitch too much about not getting them since i made some myself when i copied some of my dads. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 61 #9 January 22, 2003 Quote I once heard someone argue against metal inserts by saying something to the effect of "...if you were to slam them in your car door or something like that, they could crush..." I guess they could, but if you're such and idiot that you slam your risers in your car door AND don't check your gear afterwards, I think you have bigger problems. That was SUNPATH saying that "New "anti-twist" technology main risers, incorporating plastic riser tube inserts, are featured on this container. The tubes are of a composition that meets, or exceeds, the test conditions required by the FAA TSO. The advantage of plastic tubes is that they can be "crushed" in a car door/trunk, and continue to function." Sounds like an advantage that will never be taken advantage of ... Bart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #10 January 22, 2003 I know someone who ran over their rig (left it leaning against the bumper when they pulled out), and jumped it anyway. You never know... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigging65 0 #11 January 22, 2003 ...is that Darwin I see over there...? "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkySlut 0 #12 January 22, 2003 stupidity is our only natural predator... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #13 January 22, 2003 If you do get the plastic ones, make SURE you have them installed by someone that knows what they are doing. The metal ones have a cap on the end which keeps it from sliding down, (But still it is recomended that you have them installed by someone that knows how to also). The plastic ones installed the way Javelin does keeps them in place just fine, but if you just put them in you can risk the insert sliding into your loop and you wont be able to cut away. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites garywainwright 0 #14 January 24, 2003 All i KNOW is this; 4 cutaways on a Xaos 21 loaded at 2.1:1 with javelin risers with plastic inserts. No problems at allhttp://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #15 January 25, 2003 QuoteAll i KNOW is this; 4 cutaways on a Xaos 21 loaded at 2.1:1 with javelin risers with plastic inserts. No problems at all How many of these were tightly spun - to the point that your risers were part of the twists...? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #16 January 25, 2003 Quote How many of these were tightly spun - to the point that your risers were part of the twists...? _Am There is an article, I think in parachutist, last year that Mike Turoff wrote about no inserts - vs. - plastic - vs. - metal. in every test the metal had the losest cutaway force. Plastic and Metal were very close, only a few lbs apart until it came to extreme then the pull force for plastic went up sharply. I'm to lazy to look for the article but it was last year sometime.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites garywainwright 0 #17 January 26, 2003 All of them. Precision have now replaced the canopyhttp://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #18 January 28, 2003 QuoteHow many of these were tightly spun - to the point that your risers were part of the twists...? I have had four cutaways total. Two spun up very hard. Second to last one on my 72sq ft Xaos 27 was sick. I have never seen something spin so fast. I was in line twists during the whole deployment, but once the canopy fully pressurized; it dove straight toward the ground and spun from the top all the way through the risers in what seemed like less than a second. Happened extremely fast. There was so much force involved that it shifted my harness to the point that I struggled for a second to find my reserve handle which was way down on my hip. I have a small rig that I crank the hell out of the leg straps as I fly with harness input. I thought it had flipped under my lift web and was fumbling for it there when I spotted it way down on my hip. Still can't believe it was down there! Opened with a few hundred feet to spare. No riser inserts on any of my cutaways. Josh That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #19 January 28, 2003 I have no idea what this thread is talking about. What are riser inserts? Does anyone have a pic? You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #20 January 28, 2003 Little bits of tubing that go inside the riser where the cutaway cable ends. This stops the cable being pinched if you end up in bad enough twists, and allows you a much easier cutaway. [edit] Won't affect cutaway pull required if twists aren't down to the risers etc.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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rgoper 0 #6 January 22, 2003 in a severe line twist situation, or a hard cut-away situation (for what ever reason) the metal housings provide a rigid internal housing for the cut away lines, thus virtually eliminating the "hard cut away" by reducing the internal friction on the cut away lines on your handle.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #7 January 22, 2003 I once heard someone argue against metal inserts by saying something to the effect of "...if you were to slam them in your car door or something like that, they could crush..." I guess they could, but if you're such and idiot that you slam your risers in your car door AND don't check your gear afterwards, I think you have bigger problems. Metal is easy, they flex well and they fit 3/4 inch cable channels like a glove. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #8 January 22, 2003 ya, you guys didn't send any with my rig, and i have vx, even more prone to spining mals. but i won't bitch too much about not getting them since i made some myself when i copied some of my dads. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 61 #9 January 22, 2003 Quote I once heard someone argue against metal inserts by saying something to the effect of "...if you were to slam them in your car door or something like that, they could crush..." I guess they could, but if you're such and idiot that you slam your risers in your car door AND don't check your gear afterwards, I think you have bigger problems. That was SUNPATH saying that "New "anti-twist" technology main risers, incorporating plastic riser tube inserts, are featured on this container. The tubes are of a composition that meets, or exceeds, the test conditions required by the FAA TSO. The advantage of plastic tubes is that they can be "crushed" in a car door/trunk, and continue to function." Sounds like an advantage that will never be taken advantage of ... Bart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 January 22, 2003 I know someone who ran over their rig (left it leaning against the bumper when they pulled out), and jumped it anyway. You never know... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #11 January 22, 2003 ...is that Darwin I see over there...? "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #12 January 22, 2003 stupidity is our only natural predator... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #13 January 22, 2003 If you do get the plastic ones, make SURE you have them installed by someone that knows what they are doing. The metal ones have a cap on the end which keeps it from sliding down, (But still it is recomended that you have them installed by someone that knows how to also). The plastic ones installed the way Javelin does keeps them in place just fine, but if you just put them in you can risk the insert sliding into your loop and you wont be able to cut away. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #14 January 24, 2003 All i KNOW is this; 4 cutaways on a Xaos 21 loaded at 2.1:1 with javelin risers with plastic inserts. No problems at allhttp://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #15 January 25, 2003 QuoteAll i KNOW is this; 4 cutaways on a Xaos 21 loaded at 2.1:1 with javelin risers with plastic inserts. No problems at all How many of these were tightly spun - to the point that your risers were part of the twists...? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #16 January 25, 2003 Quote How many of these were tightly spun - to the point that your risers were part of the twists...? _Am There is an article, I think in parachutist, last year that Mike Turoff wrote about no inserts - vs. - plastic - vs. - metal. in every test the metal had the losest cutaway force. Plastic and Metal were very close, only a few lbs apart until it came to extreme then the pull force for plastic went up sharply. I'm to lazy to look for the article but it was last year sometime.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garywainwright 0 #17 January 26, 2003 All of them. Precision have now replaced the canopyhttp://www.garywainwright.co.uk Instagram gary_wainwright_uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #18 January 28, 2003 QuoteHow many of these were tightly spun - to the point that your risers were part of the twists...? I have had four cutaways total. Two spun up very hard. Second to last one on my 72sq ft Xaos 27 was sick. I have never seen something spin so fast. I was in line twists during the whole deployment, but once the canopy fully pressurized; it dove straight toward the ground and spun from the top all the way through the risers in what seemed like less than a second. Happened extremely fast. There was so much force involved that it shifted my harness to the point that I struggled for a second to find my reserve handle which was way down on my hip. I have a small rig that I crank the hell out of the leg straps as I fly with harness input. I thought it had flipped under my lift web and was fumbling for it there when I spotted it way down on my hip. Still can't believe it was down there! Opened with a few hundred feet to spare. No riser inserts on any of my cutaways. Josh That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #19 January 28, 2003 I have no idea what this thread is talking about. What are riser inserts? Does anyone have a pic? You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #20 January 28, 2003 Little bits of tubing that go inside the riser where the cutaway cable ends. This stops the cable being pinched if you end up in bad enough twists, and allows you a much easier cutaway. [edit] Won't affect cutaway pull required if twists aren't down to the risers etc.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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