GrumpySmurf 0 #1 April 14, 2002 Cutaway Pud: $30Reserve Pud: $30Freebag and new poptop: $140Getting reserve repacked, main inspected and untangled: $65Finding out how many people are willing to tromp through the woods in muck and through thistle bushes to help you find your main.... Priceless.Jump #115...My Safire (loaded at about 1.3 ~ 1.4) decided it didn't want to land with me yesterday. Lines twisted up in a CW direction with a hard spiral in a CCW direction. Tried to clear it once, that made the spin harder, tried it again, that put me on my back. Glanced at the alti - '3'o'clock' (3K) it said, looked down found the red (cutaway) and the yellow (reserve). Looked red, grabbed red, looked yellow, grabbed yellow, peeled red, paused and thought 'I hope this works', yanked red, yanked yellow. Got this interesing feeling of floating in the air for just over a second (like Wille E. Coyote going off the cliff and hanging there) and a solid 'WHOMP!' - the reserve openned and my handles went flying off. The PD-160R flew great, and had LOTS of flare with next to no wind.The rigger asked me if I wanted the RSL hooked back up now that I know I can chop and pull, I said, "I have no reason to not have it, so yeah hook it back up.".So combine all this with my first dock on a formation of more than 1, and I owe ALOT of beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 April 14, 2002 Sounds like an expensive way to have fun !! Glad you made it ok. When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #3 April 14, 2002 I loaned a brand new (never used) pro track to a friend who was sit flying without an audible, she forgot to fasten her chin strap and lost a brand new PT along with an as new mindwarp into the swamp.......Lessons learnt?......Kudos to Karen she went straight the pro shop and replaced the PT, but I think I'll take it back, change it for a pro dytter and credit her jump account with the difference....I don't need two PTs after all..but two audibles is good......CyaD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 April 14, 2002 "I have no reason to not have it, so yeah hook it back up.".Good call, but lets not start that again.....CyaD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #5 April 15, 2002 Aye, it's a personal thing.More of a 'this is how much it costs to have a cutaway if you lose the handles and the freebag goes in the river' and a 'the PD-160 at a 1.3 loading flares and lands like a charm to a standup landing with next to no wind' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #6 April 15, 2002 Just be happy your main didn't go into the river. That woulda been really expensive!_AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tomblin 0 #7 April 15, 2002 Damn man, deja-vu, I did jump 115 today on a Safire 149 (loaded at abou 1.45; 17th jump on the canopy).......Thought the canopy had openend fully, and accidently shifted in the hardness, putting the canopy in three complete line twists, leaving the slider half-way up the lines but all the cells inflated.I pulled at 4.5K and hadn't cleared the line twists till 3K (although I was willing to ride to down to 2K). Just kinda odd that bad line twists happend to both of us on our #115th jumps (on Safire's). Wouldn't have been good for me to chop it, as it was the last load of the day at about 8:10pm and the sun had already been set for about 10minutes.....My jump #56 cost me about $200, lost the freebag and reserve handle, it's a bummer, but better than the alternative... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumppilot01 0 #8 April 15, 2002 >>Finding out how many people are willing to tromp through the woods in muck and through thistle bushes to help you find your main<<<Isn't that the truth. A lot of people helped me look for my main after I cutaway. In fact, my roommate, freefalin14, even landed in an INDIANA CORN FIELD, just so he could land closer to my main so we could all find it.Glad everything worked out for you!!!!!-Adam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumppilot01 0 #9 April 15, 2002 >>Just kinda odd that bad line twists happend to both of us on our #115th jumps (on Safire's).<<<<Ok, I'm becoming a post whore....I also own a Safire (a 150, not a 149) and have yet to make it to my 115th jump...I'll be looking out when I do!-A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #10 April 15, 2002 Ironic indeed. The Safire - the 'Stilletto-Wannabe' Amen to it being better than the alternative.When I rush my pull (such as jumping with a long track with a larger group), I tend to end up in line twists, am guessing it's a shoulder-low issue - considering I can't afford to keep replacing reserve stuff, gonna put some effort into correcting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #11 April 15, 2002 I'm happy *I* didn't go into the river. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites panzwami 0 #12 April 25, 2002 Glad everything worked out ok for you...Still, it could have been worse. Last year, one of our club jumpers had to chop it at 7,000 in high winds. Of course, he didn't think it was necessary to chase the canopy, or even look to see where it went.By the way, if anyone ever comes across a blue and yellow Fury 200 in the forest somewhere in southern Georgia, let me know.---Matt Whitcomb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #13 April 25, 2002 QuoteThe rigger asked me if I wanted the RSL hooked back up now that I know I can chop and pull, I said, "I have no reason to not have it, so yeah hook it back up.".I'm confused, are you implying that you had the RSL disconnected to make see if you really could chop and pull?I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, I am bringing it up because I went thru a similar decision process only I had one installed.My reasoning and what affected the final decision was that, yes, there is a possibility that I could freeze and screw up meaning NOT chop and pull, BUT I'd rather have the opportunity to look back at it and say, I screwed up and maybe I should not be doing this.Bottom line (for me) is if it comes down to it and I don't have both handles in my hands when needed, then I am seriously going to be considering if I should be in this sport. Conjunction Junction, what's your function? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #14 April 25, 2002 My guess is that the rigger asked the question when his reserve was being repacked. At that point the rigger could have, at the direction of the customer, completely removed the RSL. I got the impression that he used the RSL on the skydive in question.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #15 April 25, 2002 Ahhh.... that would make sense.. ThanksConjunction Junction, what's your function? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #16 April 25, 2002 Thanx I even paid my beer dues, this past weekend - picked up a case of the riggers choice as well (wanna encourage him to keep up the good work and all) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #17 April 25, 2002 Yup. That pretty much sums it up. Too bad I didn't keep hold of the reserve pud after deploying it - else it would be interesting to see if I beat RSL (plus they ran out of yellow reserve puds, so I got stuck with a silver one) - probably not, but still curious to see. Looking back, it looks like the fact that I left less than a foot of excess line past the last stow on the pack job, (normally, I leave about 18 to 24 inches) may have caused the bag to smack the side of the tray and spin.Oh well, live and learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #18 April 26, 2002 QuoteLooking back, it looks like the fact that I left less than a foot of excess line past the last stow on the pack job, (normally, I leave about 18 to 24 inches) may have caused the bag to smack the side of the tray and spin.That's what caused my last mal. A split second after the pilot chute inflated I felt a wierd bump on my back and when I looked up a second later the canopy was opening with line-twists already in place underneath the slider. I routinely leave between 18" & 24" now.Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
AndyMan 7 #6 April 15, 2002 Just be happy your main didn't go into the river. That woulda been really expensive!_AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomblin 0 #7 April 15, 2002 Damn man, deja-vu, I did jump 115 today on a Safire 149 (loaded at abou 1.45; 17th jump on the canopy).......Thought the canopy had openend fully, and accidently shifted in the hardness, putting the canopy in three complete line twists, leaving the slider half-way up the lines but all the cells inflated.I pulled at 4.5K and hadn't cleared the line twists till 3K (although I was willing to ride to down to 2K). Just kinda odd that bad line twists happend to both of us on our #115th jumps (on Safire's). Wouldn't have been good for me to chop it, as it was the last load of the day at about 8:10pm and the sun had already been set for about 10minutes.....My jump #56 cost me about $200, lost the freebag and reserve handle, it's a bummer, but better than the alternative... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumppilot01 0 #8 April 15, 2002 >>Finding out how many people are willing to tromp through the woods in muck and through thistle bushes to help you find your main<<<Isn't that the truth. A lot of people helped me look for my main after I cutaway. In fact, my roommate, freefalin14, even landed in an INDIANA CORN FIELD, just so he could land closer to my main so we could all find it.Glad everything worked out for you!!!!!-Adam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumppilot01 0 #9 April 15, 2002 >>Just kinda odd that bad line twists happend to both of us on our #115th jumps (on Safire's).<<<<Ok, I'm becoming a post whore....I also own a Safire (a 150, not a 149) and have yet to make it to my 115th jump...I'll be looking out when I do!-A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #10 April 15, 2002 Ironic indeed. The Safire - the 'Stilletto-Wannabe' Amen to it being better than the alternative.When I rush my pull (such as jumping with a long track with a larger group), I tend to end up in line twists, am guessing it's a shoulder-low issue - considering I can't afford to keep replacing reserve stuff, gonna put some effort into correcting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #11 April 15, 2002 I'm happy *I* didn't go into the river. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites panzwami 0 #12 April 25, 2002 Glad everything worked out ok for you...Still, it could have been worse. Last year, one of our club jumpers had to chop it at 7,000 in high winds. Of course, he didn't think it was necessary to chase the canopy, or even look to see where it went.By the way, if anyone ever comes across a blue and yellow Fury 200 in the forest somewhere in southern Georgia, let me know.---Matt Whitcomb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #13 April 25, 2002 QuoteThe rigger asked me if I wanted the RSL hooked back up now that I know I can chop and pull, I said, "I have no reason to not have it, so yeah hook it back up.".I'm confused, are you implying that you had the RSL disconnected to make see if you really could chop and pull?I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, I am bringing it up because I went thru a similar decision process only I had one installed.My reasoning and what affected the final decision was that, yes, there is a possibility that I could freeze and screw up meaning NOT chop and pull, BUT I'd rather have the opportunity to look back at it and say, I screwed up and maybe I should not be doing this.Bottom line (for me) is if it comes down to it and I don't have both handles in my hands when needed, then I am seriously going to be considering if I should be in this sport. Conjunction Junction, what's your function? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #14 April 25, 2002 My guess is that the rigger asked the question when his reserve was being repacked. At that point the rigger could have, at the direction of the customer, completely removed the RSL. I got the impression that he used the RSL on the skydive in question.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #15 April 25, 2002 Ahhh.... that would make sense.. ThanksConjunction Junction, what's your function? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #16 April 25, 2002 Thanx I even paid my beer dues, this past weekend - picked up a case of the riggers choice as well (wanna encourage him to keep up the good work and all) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #17 April 25, 2002 Yup. That pretty much sums it up. Too bad I didn't keep hold of the reserve pud after deploying it - else it would be interesting to see if I beat RSL (plus they ran out of yellow reserve puds, so I got stuck with a silver one) - probably not, but still curious to see. Looking back, it looks like the fact that I left less than a foot of excess line past the last stow on the pack job, (normally, I leave about 18 to 24 inches) may have caused the bag to smack the side of the tray and spin.Oh well, live and learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #18 April 26, 2002 QuoteLooking back, it looks like the fact that I left less than a foot of excess line past the last stow on the pack job, (normally, I leave about 18 to 24 inches) may have caused the bag to smack the side of the tray and spin.That's what caused my last mal. A split second after the pilot chute inflated I felt a wierd bump on my back and when I looked up a second later the canopy was opening with line-twists already in place underneath the slider. I routinely leave between 18" & 24" now.Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
panzwami 0 #12 April 25, 2002 Glad everything worked out ok for you...Still, it could have been worse. Last year, one of our club jumpers had to chop it at 7,000 in high winds. Of course, he didn't think it was necessary to chase the canopy, or even look to see where it went.By the way, if anyone ever comes across a blue and yellow Fury 200 in the forest somewhere in southern Georgia, let me know.---Matt Whitcomb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #13 April 25, 2002 QuoteThe rigger asked me if I wanted the RSL hooked back up now that I know I can chop and pull, I said, "I have no reason to not have it, so yeah hook it back up.".I'm confused, are you implying that you had the RSL disconnected to make see if you really could chop and pull?I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, I am bringing it up because I went thru a similar decision process only I had one installed.My reasoning and what affected the final decision was that, yes, there is a possibility that I could freeze and screw up meaning NOT chop and pull, BUT I'd rather have the opportunity to look back at it and say, I screwed up and maybe I should not be doing this.Bottom line (for me) is if it comes down to it and I don't have both handles in my hands when needed, then I am seriously going to be considering if I should be in this sport. Conjunction Junction, what's your function? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #14 April 25, 2002 My guess is that the rigger asked the question when his reserve was being repacked. At that point the rigger could have, at the direction of the customer, completely removed the RSL. I got the impression that he used the RSL on the skydive in question.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #15 April 25, 2002 Ahhh.... that would make sense.. ThanksConjunction Junction, what's your function? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #16 April 25, 2002 Thanx I even paid my beer dues, this past weekend - picked up a case of the riggers choice as well (wanna encourage him to keep up the good work and all) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #17 April 25, 2002 Yup. That pretty much sums it up. Too bad I didn't keep hold of the reserve pud after deploying it - else it would be interesting to see if I beat RSL (plus they ran out of yellow reserve puds, so I got stuck with a silver one) - probably not, but still curious to see. Looking back, it looks like the fact that I left less than a foot of excess line past the last stow on the pack job, (normally, I leave about 18 to 24 inches) may have caused the bag to smack the side of the tray and spin.Oh well, live and learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #18 April 26, 2002 QuoteLooking back, it looks like the fact that I left less than a foot of excess line past the last stow on the pack job, (normally, I leave about 18 to 24 inches) may have caused the bag to smack the side of the tray and spin.That's what caused my last mal. A split second after the pilot chute inflated I felt a wierd bump on my back and when I looked up a second later the canopy was opening with line-twists already in place underneath the slider. I routinely leave between 18" & 24" now.Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites