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Quote[As for high pivot point, if you are smashing your landings you should reconsider being a TI.
If you think you will never run into turbulence during a landing, never have anyone ever cut you off, or never ever make a mistake during a landing, then you should reconsider being a TI.
Off topic somewhat, but what causes me to land hard is not so much turbulence but gusting. When you're on final at 50' and the wind goes from 25 mph to 10 mph, it doesn't matter what canopy you have over your head, how many tandems you have, or mad skilz you posses, you're going to thump in. I guess maybe you could always do a fairly aggressive speed generating maneuver, but that may come to bite you in the ass one day as well.
Martin
AC DZ
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When they dangle they clunk against knees as you walk back in.
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QuoteWhen they dangle they clunk against knees as you walk back in.
Thats if you don't have the harness 'on' correctly, the purpose of those straps is to keep your hips together I usually have only a couple of inches length in the straps once connected.
Uless of course they have a huge belly or ass! then there is a little more length.
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The purpose of those straps are to attach the student to the harness!
Hips don't separate anyway! Most of us have a pelvic bone that connects the hips.
complacency
Main Entry: com·pla·cen·cy
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural com·pla·cen·cies
Date: 1650
1 : self-satisfaction especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies
2 : an instance of complacency
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"I disconnect mine at 2000ft (and tuck them in between the student and me) after I know there are no canopy issues.
As for high pivot point, if you are smashing your landings you should reconsider being a TI."
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"I was taught to loosen the laterals and reconnect them. I teach loosen the laterals and reconnect them.
That said after seeing more than a few TI's struggle on landing because of the restricted lower body movement I now relaese them and connect them to the harness,on front with /sigma and the back with Strong after a complete canopy control check including a couple of hard turns and full flairs. It allows me to get my knees and feet well up and outside the passengers body for landing allowing me to protect my body and theirs during difficult landings.
As for canopy wraps I will avoid them at all cost but am aware of and prepared to control my passengers body at all times.
I saw BoB Holler flip a passenger threw the harness with the lowers attached in Tallahassee when I had 60 or so tandems.
By the way I have 4372 tandems and 0 injuries to speak of. I think some of that is related to mobility during landing. My rule is dont flip over the student on landing and I slide more than I stand."
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It must be wonderful to know that because of your experience level, and it has never happened - It will never happen!
My student will never slide out ahead of me on landing, because I fly a high speed tandem canopy and hook em in. I'm just that friggin good!
I will never have to cut away my main because it will never unexpectedly rip or anything like that, after all I did a thorough check. I'm just that friggin good!
My equipment manufacturer recommends leaving the lowers slackened. but connected. But that is for those other instructors who just aren't up to my caliber.
I'm just that friggin good!
On a sit or buttslide landing if your feet and knees are up high on the sides to protect them, is their ass the first point of contact? I tend to absorb the landing with my heels. But even in a perfect landing if a foot catches a rut or soft spot, the student can continue to slide out ahead of me. This is one of many ways a hinge point at the shoulders becomes a real possibility. If the side connectors are fully let out they do not severly limit your movement, but they do prevent hinging at the shoulders.
I thought the scary part was that some weren't aware of the potential danger of leaving the lowers disconnected.
The truly scary part is that some are making a decision to knowingly disregard the manufacturers recommendations.
Do you think manufacturers gather injury and fatality details for no reason?
They evaluate the situation that resulted in an accident, and make recommendations to prevent them in the future.
If you do hurt a student in any way, and find yourself in court - do you want a video showing the lowers disconnected out there? Even if it is totally unrelated, it could be evidence of not following procedures. Families and friends carry camcorders, and the one part they do get on video is the landing.
The manufacturers of tandem equipment recommend loosening, but not disconnecting from the connecting rings. If you must be disconnect to loosen them, they must be reconnected to the rings.
If you think there is a valid reason for not doing so, I suggest you contact the manufacturer of your respective equipment.
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QuoteThe manufacturers of tandem equipment recommend loosening, but not disconnecting from the connecting rings. If you must be disconnect to loosen them, they must be reconnected to the rings.
If you think there is a valid reason for not doing so, I suggest you contact the manufacturer of your respective equipment.
O?K rule boy I';ll take your advice but will not utilise it, next time you jump a stron rig without a set 400 canopy in it, think about this conversation.
I keep it real but i bet in real life you are just as scared to spaek up against the DZO as the next guy.
it is easy to be 'rule boy' on an internet firum but in real life you'll just shut up and do your job.
I'll keep it real!
QuoteQuoteThe manufacturers of tandem equipment recommend loosening, but not disconnecting from the connecting rings. If you must be disconnect to loosen them, they must be reconnected to the rings.
If you think there is a valid reason for not doing so, I suggest you contact the manufacturer of your respective equipment.
O?K rule boy I';ll take your advice but will not utilise it, next time you jump a stron rig without a set 400 canopy in it, think about this conversation.
I keep it real but i bet in real life you are just as scared to spaek up against the DZO as the next guy.
it is easy to be 'rule boy' on an internet firum but in real life you'll just shut up and do your job.
I'll keep it real!
Typical of most of the conversations here. Someone asks 'Do you do it wrong.' Few will step up and say "Yes I do!" As in "Do you put an altimeter on your tandem students? You know that it's only right to put an altimeter on your students. If you don't put an altimeter on your students, you're just wrong!"
The majority see no reason to stand up and say "I never put an altimeter on my students." So, the result you see here is just comments from the quire.
That said, and as stated in the original post, I'll raise awareness if nothing else is accomplished.
Be safe out there!
Martin
AC DZ
normiss 622
Well at least now some folks are on public record of disregarding the manufacturer's recommendations.
That should help them immensely in any legal dispute over negligence should a student become injured.
The question was raised: Is it safe and/or correct to leave the lowers disconnected?
The manufacturers do not recommend this practice, some quite adimately.
Therefore the correct answer to the question is no.
And yes I only jump either a SET 400 or 360 in the Dual Hawks.
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QuoteOk nuff said,
The question was raised: Is it safe and/or correct to leave the lowers disconnected?
The manufacturers do not recommend this practice, some quite adimately.
Therefore the correct answer to the question is no.
And yes I only jump either a SET 400 or 360 in the Dual Hawks.
hope you mean a 366
If you think connecting your lowers is going to help you when you;
1, are cut off.
2, make a mistake on landing.
3, are thumped in, by turbulance.
You sould reconsider being a TI.
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