Swooopa-x 0 #1 December 8, 2005 Hi All, trying to establish how many worldwide DZ's are using radios for student landings. Seems a good way to go though there must be problems associated to it. Comments welcome Thanx in advancePeople dont care how much you know until they know how much you care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #2 December 8, 2005 Beas, I'm under the impression that most DZ's in the US are using radios to bring their students in. I'd actually be interested in the replies that arrive here. Here are a few links to discussions on radios that have happened before. Is the JSC instructor body looking to start using them? Blues Peej Links: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1667300;search_string=Student%20Radios;#1667300 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1186114;search_string=Student%20Radios;#1186114 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=434763;search_string=Student%20Radios;#434763 Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #3 December 8, 2005 In Canada it would be difficult to find a dropzone that doesn't use them."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #4 December 8, 2005 Is there anyplace that doesn't use them? Every dz that I've jumped at uses radios for their students. How could you possibly do it without radios? Unless you're using round canopies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swooopa-x 0 #5 December 8, 2005 Thanx for the replies guys But could you please help with a specific listing of the DZ / DZ's. Again Thanx in advance.People dont care how much you know until they know how much you care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #6 December 8, 2005 No need for a list, seriously, it would be hard to find a DZ in the US that does not use radios for students. Many even use helmet to helmet comms so teh JM can talk to the student in freefall!Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #7 December 8, 2005 QuoteThanx for the replies guys But could you please help with a specific listing of the DZ / DZ's. Again Thanx in advance. Here's a list of Canadian DZ's. As I said earlier, I'd be surprised if any of them don't use radios. The ones with the little airplane icons are actual schools. It's colder here now so you might not get a reply to email right away, some DZO's head south in the winter http://www.cspa.ca/en/members.htm"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 December 8, 2005 QuoteIs there anyplace that doesn't use them? Every dz that I've jumped at uses radios for their students. As far as I know Lodi still doesn't use radios. QuoteHow could you possibly do it without radios? Unless you're using round canopies. Train the students better? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #9 December 8, 2005 QuoteIs there anyplace that doesn't use them? Every dz that I've jumped at uses radios for their students. How could you possibly do it without radios? Unless you're using round canopies. We don't, at our DZ, some Dutch DZ's do though but they have trickier landing areas. Our students usually manage to land on the field they're supposed to, and in the right direction too ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #10 December 8, 2005 You must have smarter students than us It's usually at least 5 or 6 jumps before we take away the radio. Do you teach them to flare themselves or do they just pound in in half brakes the first few jumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #11 December 8, 2005 QuoteYou must have smarter students than us It's usually at least 5 or 6 jumps before we take away the radio. Do you teach them to flare themselves or do they just pound in in half brakes the first few jumps? They are told to flare at 2m, but usually it taks them 3 jumps or so (that's what it took for me) to figure out to flare lower They have to hold the flare if they flare to heigh. We never teach the half-break thing AFAIK. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #12 December 8, 2005 Headcorn, UK - I still get given a radio but if I want to do the pattern myself and flare when I feel etc I flail my legs like a loon while under canopy and they let me get on with it. Havent needed them for about 6 jumps now. Most of the time I cant hear it anyway! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swooopa-x 0 #13 December 8, 2005 do your students get any other kind of assistance on landing. Visual aids etc?People dont care how much you know until they know how much you care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #14 December 8, 2005 Quotedo your students get any other kind of assistance on landing. Visual aids etc? There's a windsock, and they get a steering briefing before every jump in front of the dz photo. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #15 December 8, 2005 QuoteIs there anyplace that doesn't use them? Every dz that I've jumped at uses radios for their students. How could you possibly do it without radios? Unless you're using round canopies. We used strictly "paddles" up until about 3 years ago. Paddles do have definite advantages over radios. There seems to be a dozen different things that can happen that render radios useless. Paddles are more positive, but if the student can't find the DZ by themselves paddles are useless, and the student’s on their own. I've actually considered using radios up until some point in the landing pattern, then switching to paddles. Martin Air Capital Drop ZoneExperience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #16 December 8, 2005 At Fingerlakes (NY) we use a simple walkie talkie system with an earpiece for the student. When I got there 6 years ago, the method of choice was a huge arrow at the peas which you ran around and the student flew in the direction of the arrow. I never quite did work out how they were supposed to see the arrow if they were flying away from it. When you got them on final, you were supposed to whip out the yellow flags, and the student was supposed to mimic your arm actions. The argument was that visual information was processed faster than aural information making for a speedier response. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. Where I trained at Skydive Palatka, FL, we had motorola radios, the only downside of which were we often heard the price of towels on Aisle 5 and intercepted a couple of interesting cell phone calls. All in all, I prefer radios until you're happy they're not going to damage the gear Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #17 December 8, 2005 I'm "a late convert", switching to radio's only last season, after using paddles for + 15 years. Indeed - paddles are useless when somebody can't find the DZ for the life of it, that's why I decided to change. Other than that, they do the job just fine, IMHO... Radio's are great when the students listen - but they don't always do that... (Well, you can relate to that, I guess... ) I've found radio's actually easier than paddles (AGAIN, when they listen) since you don't have to be in the students line of sight. Then again, I distinctly remember an accident @ another dutch club where the student did exactly as told. Unfortunatly the club was at a summercamp and the radioinstructor (not familiar with the DZ's surroundings) steered the student into powerlines - which ended with a fatality... Also, if you want the students to grow up and become "tuff & independant" you do away with this sort of "crutches" as early as possible. "Unobstructed Lane" "Canopy straight above you / Wing level" "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #18 December 8, 2005 We used paddles and arrows for years too. I also found the paddles (acutally old tennis rackets with bright orange covers) useful for swatting a student's butt when they didn't pay attention . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #19 December 8, 2005 Picton, Sydney, Australia uses radios, primarily as a backup to a big arrow and paddles. Pitfalls? We're near a freeway. My AFF-1 canopy ride was memorable: "Dial 1-800-666-333 for crack whores." "Yeah dude, they're skanky ass bitches that'll do anything you want." "Turn 90 left." We've since switched frequencies and no longer have problems with chatter from truckers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mdrejhon 8 #20 December 9, 2005 QuoteHow could you possibly do it without radios? Unless you're using round canopies.I successfully learned to land a Manta stand up on my first solo landing without a radio.... because I am a deaf guy. My dropzone had to devise alternate methods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #21 December 9, 2005 KSUPC in kansas uses radios. Our old radios about 5 years ago would pick up cell phones or mcdonalds, but the new ones work great. Also, we train our students how to land in case the radio breaks. I think out of 200+ students I've seen land, less then a dozen had a radio break or fall off or something. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #22 December 9, 2005 I'm really surprised that many places have done it without radios. I guess we're spoiled nowadays. The paddles sound like a cool idea. It seems like a lot of people would get lost though. When I do a tandem with someone, I'll usually ask them after opening if they can find the landing area. ALOT of them can't. Some can't even find it even when I try to pont it out. I can just imagine them trying to find a guy down there on the ground with paddles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Liemberg 0 #23 December 9, 2005 QuoteWhen I do a tandem with someone, I'll usually ask them after opening if they can find the landing area. ALOT of them can't. Some can't even find it even when I try to pont it out. I can just imagine them trying to find a guy down there on the ground with paddles. That can be easely solved: Give every tandempassenger a torough briefing with LOCAL aereal photo's and LOCAL aereal video AND some basic training in the principles of steering the canopy during some 2 to 3 hours before you take em up with a tandem. My bet is that the succesrate of finding the DZ rises dramatically. The guy with the paddles is usually in the middle of the large field... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #24 December 9, 2005 Here's a good way to fins American dropzones that use radios. They're listed by state. http://www.uspa.org/dz/index.htm _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Superfletch 1 #25 December 9, 2005 Freefall Express, Mt. Vernon, MO We use Motorolla 1-Way Radios. They work great. Gary "Superfletch" Fletcher D-26145; USPA Coach, IAD/I, AFF/I Videographer/Photographer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
mdrejhon 8 #20 December 9, 2005 QuoteHow could you possibly do it without radios? Unless you're using round canopies.I successfully learned to land a Manta stand up on my first solo landing without a radio.... because I am a deaf guy. My dropzone had to devise alternate methods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #21 December 9, 2005 KSUPC in kansas uses radios. Our old radios about 5 years ago would pick up cell phones or mcdonalds, but the new ones work great. Also, we train our students how to land in case the radio breaks. I think out of 200+ students I've seen land, less then a dozen had a radio break or fall off or something. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #22 December 9, 2005 I'm really surprised that many places have done it without radios. I guess we're spoiled nowadays. The paddles sound like a cool idea. It seems like a lot of people would get lost though. When I do a tandem with someone, I'll usually ask them after opening if they can find the landing area. ALOT of them can't. Some can't even find it even when I try to pont it out. I can just imagine them trying to find a guy down there on the ground with paddles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #23 December 9, 2005 QuoteWhen I do a tandem with someone, I'll usually ask them after opening if they can find the landing area. ALOT of them can't. Some can't even find it even when I try to pont it out. I can just imagine them trying to find a guy down there on the ground with paddles. That can be easely solved: Give every tandempassenger a torough briefing with LOCAL aereal photo's and LOCAL aereal video AND some basic training in the principles of steering the canopy during some 2 to 3 hours before you take em up with a tandem. My bet is that the succesrate of finding the DZ rises dramatically. The guy with the paddles is usually in the middle of the large field... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #24 December 9, 2005 Here's a good way to fins American dropzones that use radios. They're listed by state. http://www.uspa.org/dz/index.htm _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superfletch 1 #25 December 9, 2005 Freefall Express, Mt. Vernon, MO We use Motorolla 1-Way Radios. They work great. Gary "Superfletch" Fletcher D-26145; USPA Coach, IAD/I, AFF/I Videographer/Photographer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
