howardwhite 4 #1 October 19, 2010 You gotta be tough... HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 October 19, 2010 That's gonna hurt... And thus was born the method of killing yourself with hook turns, to be honed to perfection later with ram-air chutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #3 October 19, 2010 He probably got lucky and splashed into the Hook Pond that all progressive DZ's had back then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #4 October 19, 2010 Yup! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #5 October 19, 2010 UGH. Just looking at those pics gave me a bellyache. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #6 October 19, 2010 Been there. Done that. You could usually walk away from a hook turn on a P.C. (If you were young and tough, and a light weight). I know I couldn't do that now. I'm still damn good looking though! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJack 1 #7 October 20, 2010 Quote Yup! You got a story to go with that photo? You know, stuff like who, where, when, total medical bill? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #8 October 20, 2010 You got a story to go with that photo? Yeah...'don't do that!' ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 October 20, 2010 Quote You got a story to go with that photo? Yeah...'don't do that!' Meh... ya ain't done accuracy till you knock out at least 50 pounds of pea gravel outa the pit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nt8us 0 #10 October 20, 2010 photo is a FAKE. i remember seeing it in lyle camerons rag if i recall ina tongue in cheek article called loop the commander Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #11 October 20, 2010 Hi nt8us, I think you might be mistaken. There was a letter in his Letters to the Editor, with a photo, of a XBO upside down with a comment, 'Flip de Bow' however. IIRC, this photo was in PARACHUTIST. What say, Howard? JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 October 20, 2010 You guys would love the "SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying" group over on Facebook. Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp_1FmwtsfM--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 4 #13 October 20, 2010 It's in my vast archives of totally undocumented stuff. But I don't think it's fake. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #14 October 20, 2010 Quote You guys would love the "SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying" group over on Facebook. Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp_1FmwtsfM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGperYQxYL8&NR=1 ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim_Hooper 3 #15 October 20, 2010 Quote He probably got lucky and splashed into the Hook Pond that all progressive DZ's had back then. Jack--With the sewage treatment settling ponds at Z'hills, we were progressive and didn't even know it! I seem to remember one or two students that ended up in there. Upset the alligators no end. Hoop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #16 October 20, 2010 Warm up rounds for the Pro Amateur swoop tour.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #17 October 20, 2010 Quotephoto is a FAKE. i remember seeing it in lyle camerons rag if i recall ina tongue in cheek article called loop the commander "FAKE" was my first thought, too. I never saw a PC at an angle like that. More than 45 degrees from verticle? Not that people didn't try to kill themselves being stupid.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #18 October 20, 2010 Quote Quote You guys would love the "SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying" group over on Facebook. Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp_1FmwtsfM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGperYQxYL8&NR=1 Damn! That was better than Flop Gun.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjump 0 #19 October 20, 2010 If he hit the pea gravel and did a great PLF he probably walked away from that landing. If not next /e he had a white jump boot of plaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #20 October 20, 2010 I wonder too about that steep of an oscillation on a P. C. I don't think I ever saw one at a 45 degree angle. Could that picture be doctored up some??? I remember one time when I tried to make a wild turn on my mark I. I was trying to hit the peas, and knew little or nothing about accuracy. I missed the pit entirely. I crashed into the hard packed ground around the pit.....About then, I decided that maybe I wasn't tough enough to do accuracy. On wind jumps sometimes, I'd run with the wind and then do a hook turn into it. If you timed it just right, you didn't have to do a rear PLF (which I hated). I thought I invented doing a hook turn into the wind on a P.C. but have since heard of many others who did the same thing. Sometimes I hooked it in too low. That was no fun! There was a reason people wore French Para-boots and a good helmet back then. Knowing how to do a decent PLF saved lot's of people too.... I was always able to walk away from a low hook turn on a P.C. I might have been limping a little, and may have had a wimpy look on my face, but I was always able to hobble off the field. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #21 October 20, 2010 Being a bigger jumper, I always did the downwind hook to stand-up...sometimes ya would have to get pretty radical with the hook. I had a Pap, and I'd be it would get 45 degrees during a hard enough hook...I do remember lookin' out for the horizon and seeing only canopy! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #22 October 20, 2010 Those papillions were nice canopies. Only jumped one a couple of times. Were they made of a different material? They were shinier if I remember right.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #23 October 20, 2010 I still think something is fishy with that photo....Howard, what gives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #24 October 20, 2010 Hi steve, I disagree, this was long before the world of PhotoShop. That is the difference between being 'older' and the young'uns. It was not that hard to get into that situation. You only had to do a hard right toggle, get swung out to the left & then hit a hard left toggle; you would be where he is. It would hurt but it could be done. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #25 October 20, 2010 Quote Those papillions were nice canopies. Only jumped one a couple of times. Were they made of a different material? They were shinier if I remember right.... Different material and they had the front 'vents' for when ya needed a reverse gear...Came down a bit faster than a PC...just what a 240 lb. 18 year old needed! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
