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Believe Jo or not, but Jo does have a witness who claims to have knowledge of the hijacking (Duane himself). That's one more than you have.



Really? Where? Duane didn't leave anything that proves he
claimed to be Cooper or knew anything about the hijacking!

The claim in behalf of Duane is Jo!

It's Jo's claim. Not Duane's claim!

There is nothing from Duane Weber that proves or even implies
he ever said he was DB Cooper or knew anything about the
hijacking. If there is nobody including Jo Weber has ever shown
the evidence .... because it does not exist.

The claim is Jo Weber's; not Duane Weber's!

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MarkBennett

***The problem is....

Even though you believe in your heart of hearts that Duane was the hijacker, you still haven't presented one solid lead that can be realistically followed in real time with a real person.

You know much about what Duane was doing long before, and long AFTER the hijacking...but you cannot account for what he was doing the year of the hijacking.

You haven't provided a single witness who can be interviewed to support anything you say.

The FBI investigated Duane and found zip. And even though you dispute their methods and results, you have to admit they made an effort. If he was Cooper, with his record...they would have discovered the truth. If you say their conclusions are wrong, then there are only two possibilities. They screwed up or it's a conspiracy. I don't believe it was a conspiracy. I think the FBI would like to solve the case. If you are right about Duane, I favor the 'screwed up' theory. And I'm still not buying the Amboy chute story, excuse me. It's full of holes from start to finish. That's an opinion. :)
The reason the media hasn't been contacting you is because they want second sources. And you haven't, or aren't willing, to provide them.

NEWS: We have an interested entity in the KC screenplay. I just got the message this evening. We are moving forward with this. I referred them to my AAR rep and said it wouldn't be ready until August, anyway.



I should probably not beat this dead horse again, but Robert everything you say applies to you also. None of your witnesses has ever claimed to have any direct knowledge of the hijacking. The Decoded episode (in the book as well as the episode itself) refer to Geestman as YOUR theory and both say they believe Geestman -- and say it definitively. Much of your claims of KC's financial riches have fallen apart or can not be documented.

Believe Jo or not, but she does have a witness who claims to have knowledge of the hijacking (Duane himself). That's one more than you have.

No. The witness is Jo herself. There is no second source to any possible statement, and since Duane is gone there is no way to verify. I may as well tell people my uncle said he was DB Cooper and see how far I get with that.

The only two people who know for certain whether KC was Cooper are reluctant to admit it because if KC was Cooper...they were directly involved in the hijacking and a possible cover-up that followed. They did point fingers at each other though.

As far as the cast of Decoded, they changed their minds on Geestman later. I have quoted you their emails previously, and these are not stupid people. One is a prosecutor, the other a multi-published professor of English at Washington State University. You also know that Pete Berg, a former producer on the show, told me that the director was strongly urged to hint to the cast off-camera that saying Geestman was involved was risky unless they got him to admit something. This came from Go Go Luckey's legal team in Los Angeles while the filming of the show was taking place. Berg says the director did as he was told. He heard the director give the warning to the cast. Basically, he told them it was up to them, but...this is what he's being told by the legal folks in LA. Berg asked me not to say anything about that until he was no longer working for Go Go Luckey. So I didn't. Now Berg runs his own production company and does a lot of work for Geographic.

Some of what happened during the Geestman interview on Decoded is MY fault, though. I was sent back to Twisp for a couple of days during filming, and was interviewing Helen Jones and her daughter just before that. By the time I got back to Bonney Lake, it was too late to confront Geestman about Jones' testimony or to confront him with the fact that three witnesses said he was with KC the entire week the hijacking occurred. (They were already wrapping the Geestman bit over in Puyallup a few miles away) If I had shown up a couple of hours earlier, I could have provided some questions for the cast to ask Geestman at key points. And I'll admit I just hate that sometimes. But...if I hadn't made one last trip to Twisp, I wouldn't have heard Mrs. Geestman finally admit that it WAS Kenny who went missing that week with her husband. So there is that, I guess.

This is really too bad that it turned out that way. I didn't see Geestman's October interview on Decoded until the show first aired the following January. When I did, I said this to Skipp Porteous right afterward:

"What the frick? Did he just say that he thought Kenny could be the hijacker? No way..."

It's near the end of the show. They ask him if he thinks Kenny could be Cooper:

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'You're asking me for MY opinion? Sure, he looks just like him...' (the FBI sketch they showed him)



Funny thing for a guy to say when he knew perfectly well where Christiansen was on November 24, 1971. Where's the alibi? He had already denied being an accomplice. And strongly, too. Why didn't he just say Kenny was with him?

You should consider something here. If you are supposed to do Thanksgiving with friends of the family...and you did it LAST year...and you did it the year AFTER the hijacking...don't you think people are going to remember what happened about that the year OF the hijacking? Of course they did. Jones and her daughter were very adamant. Mrs. Geestman showed up for dinner. No husband. She's very pissed off. He went camping in the new Airstream they had parked down in Oakville. No, she doesn't know where he went. Don't know when he's coming back. Kenny? Well, he had hinted he might fly back to visit family instead this year. No one is mad at Kenny.

Problem is, Kenny didn't GO back to Minnesota for Thanksgiving 1971. His nephew Bruce Christiansen said so, his brother says so, the brother's wife says so, even Helen Jones and her daughter say so. As far as Kenny's family, all of them remember the week of the hijacking, too. It's national news. NWA is based in Minneapolis. Kenny works for NWA. They know that. I think that because Lyle Christiansen didn't make any connection between his brother and the hijacking for decades, that this lends it more credibility. There are the letters Kenny wrote. We have them. He knew how to use a miltary parachute, and the hijacker, strangely enough, picked the military over the sport chute. The coincidences on Kenny just pile up. And remember...the people I have forwarded as being involved, since this story went public, have done some strange things.

Like...even though Mr Geestman is perfectly aware he's been accused, and his family knows about it...none of them have made a peep of protest on it in more than three years. His own sister thinks Kenny was not only involved, but that her brother had something to do with it.

Mrs. Geestman sells off her ranch for a half-million dollars and bails town, telling her lawyer and the bank officer who arranged the sale to not reveal her new location.

Coincidentally, Mr and Mrs Geestman are the only two people who would know for sure if Kenny was Cooper. You've got one staying under the radar, (with his sister and her family believing he was involved anyway) and an ex-wife who disappears after finally admitting it WAS Kenny who vanished with her husband on Cooper week. (This was after I finally showed her my notes from the Helen Jones interviews, where Jones said she saw Kenny at the Sumner Laundromat six weeks after the hijacking and told her he had been with Geestman.)

On Kenny's finances, this is very tricky. He was careful not to draw attention to himself. Some of the exact details of his transactions may never be proven. So you have to look at the peripherals. For example, like Mr Geestman claiming not knowing a thing on the arrangements regarding Kenny's new house. Coincidentally, the house was purchased from the same couple where Geestman served as Best Man at their wedding. Do you believe him? He also said, yes...he knew about the $5,000 loan to his sister. But he knows nothing about the arrangements on that either. His sister, the recipient of the money...and her entire family...says he was the one who approached KC for the money on his sister's behalf...and who actually delivered it. Who do you believe?

I only LOOK stupid. I interviewed these people as thoroughly as I could, I never put words into their mouths, and I kept good notes. And out of all these people, the only one who kept lying and lying was Bernard Geestman. He lied about Foss Tugs. He lied about the loan. He lied by omission when he claimed he didn't know a thing on the house. The lies just go on and on. I don't know what people want from me. The KC report is there. Names are there. There are a couple of minor glitches in the report, but the basic allegations are the same. That Kenny was probably Cooper, and that Geestman assisted him. I believe that MRS. Geestman was forced into silence AFTER the hijacking when she discovered the truth. I don't think the men said a thing to anybody while they were planning this. It came down to just three people who ever found out, as far as I know: Kenny Christiansen, Geestman, and after-the-fact, Geestman's wife.

This is not brain surgery. You want to find out if Kenny was the guy? Put Mr Geestman in one room. Put the three women in the other, along with Carolyn Tyner, and possibly Robin Powell if you can find him. Maybe go all the way and bring in Ann Grimes from Puyallup. Her husband is dead, but her signature is on the other docs regarding KC's house and property. They were the previous owners. Start asking questions based on Geestman's statements on Decoded and his interview with me, and the statements all the women made for either the book or the KC report.

Bet they find out the truth in less than twenty minutes. Someone will have to 'break' as they say. And maybe it will turn out that Kenny WASN'T the hijacker. But that's the only way you'll ever find out.

EDIT: I wanted to say a word on this crap I've seen on the alternate site. There are claims that Lyle Christiansen 'lied' or 'made the whole thing up' regarding Kenny. There is a reference to a radio interview. So it can't be true about Kenny, because his brother allegedly lied.

But here's the problem: Lyle never said he knew his brother was Cooper. He only said he suspected it, and maybe wondered about it. The old guy thinks maybe it will make a good film, but when someone steps up to check up on Kenny...Lyle doesn't hesitate to sign away any and all financial compensation for his brother's story. You can't lie about something you don't know about anyway, and didn't testify to. It's obvious. What Lyle's role was in this whole affair was to be a Provider. He provided the letters, the photos, the personal items, some of the documents. That is not lying, that is providing. He never said: 'My brother said he was Cooper'. He doesn't know. He never even made references to a sudden increase in money on Kenny's part, or had any idea on how Kenny bought the house...he didn't even realize the people who lived closest to Kenny had suspicions of their own back in '72. The four main things Lyle has claimed from the start are these: That his brother resembles the hijacker. True. That Kenny knew how to use a chute. True. That Kenny wrote letters home saying how unhappy he was with NWA, and how broke he was all the time. Also true. That Kenny left a great deal of money and a coin and stamp collection to him when he died. Also true. Nothing else. Everything else anybody knows about Kenny Christiansen came from Skipp Porteous, yours truly, and Geoffrey Gray. In fact, it was Gray who gave the first accurate picture of Kenny's life, not Lyle.

So I don't know where people get off saying Lyle 'lied'.

About what exactly?


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Jo wrote:
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I am going to say - Duane Weber was telling the actual Truth when he said "I'm Dan Cooper!".



You can say it all you want Jo but until you produce probative evidence its just a guess on your part. Pure speculation and hope. Not one speck of unequivocal physical evidence. "Poofed" items such as parachute heardware, parking stubs and airline tickets do not count.

All the so-called evidence you have produced wouldn't support an indictment much less a conviction.

People have spent much of their lives chasing the Loch Ness Monster, ghosts, alien abductors, etc. Was this wasted time? Depends on how you look at it. For some the hunt is sufficient. They dont need a capture or a kill.

If Duane was DBC you have left a legacy of leads that will survive forever thanks to the Internet. If you were right you will get ample posthumous credit.

Its not too late to enjoy the rest of your life without chasing Cooper. Give it a rest and take a vacation. It will still be here when you return.

You've been posting hints of your imminent death for years now Jo and I am pleased that you seem to be outliving all of them.

As I see it you have spent nearly two decades in passionate pursuit of a goal, proving that Duane was Cooper. Passion is a gift Jo and you lack for nothing in this department.

Lets say you had just shrugged off Duane's death bed admission and lived your life doing something else. Would it have been much better? More satisfying? More passionate?

I think you have lived a passionate intense life in your pursuit of the truth about Duane. Don't knock it. It may have been a lot more satisfying than travelling, playing Bridge and other common golden years pursuits.

You've never had to experience isolation, you are a central part of a vibrant vital community albeit mostly online.

So try taking a different perspective Jo, one that celebrates your pursuit rather than denigrating it.

I'd have never known you if not for your Cooper involvment and I enjoy your company a lot. I am sure others share that opinion, even those who, like me, disagree with your thesis that Duane was Cooper.

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May sound weird...but sure...Duane could be the hijacker. But there isn't a single witness named on anything that could possibly connect Duane to the hijacking. At least with KC I made it possible to discover the truth if anyone decides in the future to bother. I think that's the basic difference here between these two suspects.

And my personal beliefs on Kenny Christiansen, (that I think he was Cooper) are a separate issue from a cold, hard fact:

That neither Kenny or Duane have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be DB Cooper. I might THINK Kenny was Cooper, maybe even strongly. But I don't know for sure he was.


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You can say it all you want Jo but until you produce probative evidence its just a guess on your part. Pure speculation and hope. Not one speck of unequivocal physical evidence. "Poofed" items such as parachute heardware, parking stubs and airline tickets do not count.

All the so-called evidence you have produced wouldn't support an indictment much less a conviction.

If Duane was DBC you have left a legacy of leads that will survive forever thanks to the Internet. If you were right you will get ample posthumous credit.

Its not too late to enjoy the rest of your life without chasing Cooper. Give it a rest and take a vacation. It will still be here when you return.

Passion is a gift Jo and you lack for nothing in this department.

I think you have lived a passionate intense life in your pursuit of the truth about Duane. Don't knock it. It may have been a lot more satisfying than travelling, playing Bridge and other common golden years pursuits.

You've never had to experience isolation, you are a central part of a vibrant vital community albeit mostly online.

So try taking a different perspective Jo, one that celebrates your pursuit rather than denigrating it.

I'd have never known you if not for your Cooper involvment and I enjoy your company a lot. I am sure others share that opinion, even those who, like me, disagree with your thesis that Duane was Cooper.

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Portions of the above post have been edit to make this more brief and to the point.

My health:

I now sleep a lot and I am having more tests, but the out come will not be favorable....I am just a little more perceptive about my body than others.

The surgery they would end up requiring is NOT one that I will do, because it only delays the inevitable and with serious debilitating consequences. We knew the Cancer Markers have remained high - now it looks like the focal point is the worse case senario!

NOW about COOPER:

Do you guys remember the places Duane talked about on our 1979 trip and all of the things he told me...well, they have ALL just fell into place.

These points will not be in the order they were shown to me, but in order with the flight path and the possible landing zones for Cooper.

I had NO idea the flight path went over or near these places until last night and then my vivid 2 part dream this afternoon (NON Cooper related dream),

A two part dream was about a wonderful man who I fell in love with before I met Jim, but just let go of as he seemed to have a life that did not include me. He recently came back into my life and I concieved it as a final Goodbye to all of the people who had touched his life over the yrs. I did not verbalize this to him, but changed the subject.

NOW back to Cooper and Duane L. Weber.

Think I will put it in a second post as I need a few minutes to compose myself and I am crying right now. WHY so much so late! Damn the Government, just Damn them!
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Remember all the places I tried to describe & talked about over the yrs. I was describing them in the sequences Duane showed these area, but never knew they were in the flight path.

NOW will try to do this as I have an overlay of the flight path on a map which I then marked the specific places Cooper took me to, but NOT in the order they appeared on the map.

The Vortac is in Meadow Glade.
Duane took me there after we had gone to areas East & North of there. He commented about an airstrip North of the VOR, but I did NOT see it & we had were then East of the VOR.

I did not find the airstrip on the maps but was told it existed - perhaps for small private planes - a field.

The Vortac was in the flight path.

When we left there We passed a road that went SOUTH & Duane commented about Homan & he knowing someone who left a car there one time...but that "we were NOT going there".

He goes EAST which I now believe to be UNION NE 119 and we ended up in the Orchards area.

In the Orchards area he mentions a BAR (the name of which escapes me at this moment}. "A place the GUYS used to go".

Then we go East again on the main HWY (the LOOP from Washougal to the Express Way) & we are going back toward Sifton which he had pointed out earlier on the leg of the trip going WEST (when he told me about the China Ditch earlier that day)....

He again mentions the Airport on the South Side of the hwy. A small airport and what was South of that AIRPORT.

The intersection of LARGE POWER LINES

What else was behind it? It was the Green Mt. he had taken me to earlier that day...the ONE JT claimed did NOT exist!The tower Duane claimed he put something on one time...the Ghostly place at the top of a trail with a Wire fence (the old fashion kind) with big squares and a wooden gate. Tall ghostly Trees and large Rocks - made one think it resemble an old indiane burial ground.

From the main highway I could see the airport.... a special kind of airport - you guys said did NOT exist until someone explained what it was - I was NOT delusional....and my Green Mt was behind it.

We went EAST past Sifton & then we ended up going WEST again, but do not NOW remember where he turned around.

We are on the new Hwy going EAST when he points out an area that was still vacant at that time. He mentioned there used to be a jumpfield there & he again mentions another car being left along the highway at that location. There was an airstrip near the jump field I could NOT see because of the trees. This was North of the Hwy....but Duane told me it was there.

I found ALL of that DID exist as I saw it in 1979. In 2010 it was all built up. The man who owned it tried to help a man who tried to contact me in 2001...the man wanted immunity for information about Cooper. The state said he had to apply thru WA DC. He died in 2004. The name was the name - of the person I had searched for but the spelling was not how it sounded...so Margie and I dissed it. Even today the name escapes me - it was Indian for Jack and then the last name was a sound alike that I had searched for yrs to find in my memory banks. I finally learned the name - I have to look it up....& Georger did make a post which he deleted many yrs ago about this man.

We continue on the road toward the Interstate & he AGAIN mentions Homan ....before we get to the access to the Interstate.

Remember this & it does NOT take into consideration the things he showed me on the first leg of that trip when he took me to Heisson and north of there and the tower in the wood that was no longer there.

WHY am I going to this part of my mind and the trip again....BECAUSE of the maps being used to retrace the flight path!

THINK about this - the plane was in that area & making a turn in the Orchards area. Now consider the wind speeds & directions.

Right before Orchards the plane was turning to the West just ever so slightly which then made the plane cross the Columbia in Vacouver. COOPER was ALREADY GONE BEFORE the PLANE reached the Columbia.

I do not know how this explains the sighting of flares in the Mills Plains area, but COOPER was already gone.

For YRS you guys have told me there was NO way & many of you have probagated the Columbia and Tena's Bar as the location the plane went over the Columbia. The plane would have had to make a drastic turn to be on the West side of the Interstate.

Cooper was already gone by the time the plane reached the N.E. Plains road. If the lights were on in the cabin maybe the witnesses saw that - not flares. Cooper needed the lights on to prepare for the jump. Seriously doubt he would announce the time and location of his jump!

THe money on Tena's bar was put there by Duane L. Weber in 1979. Does that make him Cooper? NO!

Also NOTE the place Duane took me to on the return trip from Seattle. The place he went down to the RIVER where a house used to be that was not there in 1979. The FLIGHT went RIGHT over that per the flight maps. NOT Tena's bar.

The flight wanted to put down in Portland, but with the fear of a bomb on board they could not...and they were NOT certain Cooper was gone.....

PLEASE SOMEONE HEAR ME BEFORE I AM SILENCED & CAN NO LONGER TELL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!
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To everyone:
PLEASE HEAR ME & WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY!

PLEASE LISTEN * TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TELLING YOU.

I WILL NOT HAVE A VOICE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ASK THEM NOW!

To Blevins:
[RED]BLEVINS SHUT UP! You do not care about this case being solved - all you want is the fame and you have no scruples - you are accusing an innocent man of a crime he did not commit.[/RED]

WHAT IS THE CRIME?
YOU KNOW HE DID NOT DO IT AND THAT HE DOES NOT EVEN MEET THE NECESSARY CRITERIOR OF EYE COLOR or COMPLEXION or HEIGHT!

There is NO one to defend him - even Kyle his own brother says he was NOT Cooper.
He has repeatedly told other - He thought it was a good story...why he sent his letter to a movie producer and not to SKIP or maybe SKIP is behind all of this. Maybe SKIP set all of this up - knowing that someone someday might want the crime to appear to have been solved.
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"...To Blevins:
[RED]BLEVINS SHUT UP! You do not care about this case being solved - all you want is the fame and you have no scruples - you are accusing an innocent man of a crime he did not commit.[/RED]

WHAT IS THE CRIME?
YOU KNOW HE DID NOT DO IT AND THAT HE DOES NOT EVEN MEET THE NECESSARY CRITERIOR OF EYE COLOR or COMPLEXION or HEIGHT!

There is NO one to defend him - even Kyle his own brother says he was NOT Cooper.

He has repeatedly told other(s) - He thought it was a good story...why he sent his letter to a movie producer and not to SKIP or maybe SKIP is behind all of this. Maybe SKIP set all of this up - knowing that someone someday might want the crime to appear to have been solved..."




This is not what Lyle Christiansen has told me repeatedly. Lyle has sent me many emails and a snail mail package or two fiercely proclaiming that his brother was DB Cooper. His alleged confession that he was only interested in a movie deal, or thought this was a "good story" is not what he has professed to me. Quite the opposite. He has sent me reams of information supporting all the KC attributes as DBC.

As for the movie angle, Lyle is also highly invested in being famous. Out of the blue one day he asked me to help him make contact with Hollywood folks so that a local starlet (in his eyes) could launch her film career.

All that glitters is not gold, but there is a lot of sparkle being pumped out of Minnesota.

Lyle also reminds me of other family members involved in this vortex - they neither admit that their loved one had the cajones to threaten to kill 42 people nor have they apologized in any public or overt manner for the traumas inflicted by the skyjacking.

Not even a hat tip to Mr and Mrs Taxpaying America for picking up the tab on the official search. Somebody's gotta pay Ralph, et al, their 60K-plus pension checks...

One final nit-pickin' detail. Kenny C's surviving brother is named Lyle, not Kyle. Also, the intrepid investigator who teamed with Bobby B to produce "Blast" is Skipp Porteous, not Skip.

Why the two "p's" is one of the many Norjak mysteries that remain unsolved. Perhaps Mr. Skipp is just a zippity-do-dah-day kind of guy; I trust his good friend and colleague, RMB, will inform us one of these days.

Let's clean up the Cooper Mysteries that we can, people! C'mon!!!

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Well, first...my name isn't 'Bobby'. It's ROBERT. Sometimes Rob to my friends. Since you're so nit-picky on names, I thought I would toss that out to you.

Bruce Smith says in part:

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'This is not what Lyle Christiansen has told me repeatedly. Lyle has sent me many emails and a snail mail package or two fiercely proclaiming that his brother was DB Cooper. His alleged confession that he was only interested in a movie deal, or thought this was a "good story" is not what he has professed to me. Quite the opposite. He has sent me reams of information supporting all the KC attributes as DBC...'


I also have many items from Lyle on file. Yes, he believes his brother was Cooper. Yes, he has sent me many documents, letters, pictures to help support that. But these things were sent to assist in the investigation. I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, it was quite a help.

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'As for the movie angle, Lyle is also highly invested in being famous. Out of the blue one day he asked me to help him make contact with Hollywood folks so that a local starlet (in his eyes) could launch her film career...'



It's called 'networking, Bruce. He reads the posts at DZ sometimes. You've said you were moving to Hollywood to assist your efforts in turning your book into a miniseries or something, remember? Maybe that's why he contacted you. If he had told me first he was going to do that, I would have told him not to bother. I wouldn't worry. I'm sure by now the girl has an agent. :S

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'All that glitters is not gold, but there is a lot of sparkle being pumped out of Minnesota...'



In seven years, Lyle has been on TV I believe once, and done a couple of interviews. That's it. Kenny's nephew Bruce Christiansen told me privately at Ariel that the family is embarassed about the whole thing, but would like to know the truth. No one stands to gain, or WANTS to gain on the Christiansen investigation. I'm currently running up a script based on Blast, but that's no big secret. I happen to believe it's a good story that should be told.

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'Lyle also reminds me of other family members involved in this vortex - they neither admit that their loved one had the cajones to threaten to kill 42 people nor have they apologized in any public or overt manner for the traumas inflicted by the skyjacking...'



That is self-evident. If Kenny were proven to be the hijacker, then I'm sure they would make a statement. But he hasn't. You can discuss 'cajones' when you strap on a hundred pounds of gear and leap from a perfectly good aircraft at night. I mean paratroop training, as Kenny did. Not the hijacking. That was a far smaller load.

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'Not even a hat tip to Mr and Mrs Taxpaying America for picking up the tab on the official search. Somebody's gotta pay Ralph, et al, their 60K-plus pension checks...'



See previous answer.

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'One final nit-pickin' detail. Kenny C's surviving brother is named Lyle, not Kyle. Also, the intrepid investigator who teamed with Bobby B to produce "Blast" is Skipp Porteous, not Skip...'



It's Robert.

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Why the two "p's" is one of the many Norjak mysteries that remain unsolved. Perhaps Mr. Skipp is just a zippity-do-dah-day kind of guy; I trust his good friend and colleague, RMB, will inform us one of these days.



I wouldn't call it a 'great Norjack mystery'. It's either a nickname or his parents' doing.


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RobertMBlevins

Well, first...my name isn't 'Bobby'. It's ROBERT. Sometimes Rob to my friends. Since you're so nit-picky on names, I thought I would toss that out to you.



It's Robert.



And sometimes, while you troll profiles on Facebook, you like to be called Jane....Jane Smith.

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Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

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EVickiW

***Well, first...my name isn't 'Bobby'. It's ROBERT. Sometimes Rob to my friends. Since you're so nit-picky on names, I thought I would toss that out to you.

It's Robert.



And sometimes, while you troll profiles on Facebook, you like to be called Jane....Jane Smith.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=138986

Yes...that's right. I used that ID to take screenshots of Marla Cooper's Facebook page right at the time she went public. It was a fair amount of work.

You see, Vicki...while everyone else was sucking up to her and the FBI was promoting her in the media as a 'viable witness,' no one here - or at the FBI - had the common sense to go to the one place where people post up the most self-serving shit they will usually do on the internet...

Their Facebook page.

I found out a few things. She was only trying to make a book deal, and based on lies at that. She told people the FBI would be closing the case soon, according to Eng, and that the no-match on the DNA didn't matter because Eng told her the tie DNA wasn't from Cooper anyway. They haven't closed the case, and Eng never said those things anyway...I checked with the Seattle office. She had a potential publisher lined up, ready to offer an advance. They dumped her. No surprise. People should be thanking me.

Users on this thread check up and research things on me (and everyone else around here) all the time. I'm no different. You have to remember about Marla. She claimed comics on the wall. She said her family was all there. She gave a detailed scenario on how the hijacking went down, including the getaway. Problem was, no one in her family would back a single bit of her story. They still don't. She made fools out of the Seattle FBI. Because of HER, they aren't saying much publicly anymore. Pre-Marla, they even returned peoples' phone calls when they had Cooper-related questions. Now you are lucky to get an answering Email.

Marla caused that. She hurt everyone who has, or is currently investigating the Cooper case. That is a fact.

And when I was done I never used the Jane ID again.

You may as well see the remainder of the screenshots again...:)


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Danielle1010

When Bernie dies I'm gonna piss on his corpse



I'm sure Robert appreciates your support, but I've got to ask...is this truly the only contribution that you are capable of making to this conversation?

lol..what am I saying.... it is about as intelligent as some other childish banter we've seen on this thread. But really ...desecrating a corpse?? I'll bet your mom is real proud of that.
Get another line.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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***When Bernie dies I'm gonna piss on his corpse



I'm sure Robert appreciates your support, but I've got to ask...is this truly the only contribution that you are capable of making to this conversation?

lol..what am I saying.... it is about as intelligent as some other childish banter we've seen on this thread. But really ...desecrating a corpse?? I'll bet your mom is real proud of that.
Get another line.

Danielle is actually a kid, and a guy. He suffers from autism and gets emotional sometimes. It's like some of the emails I get from readers. My hope is that they drag in Geestman and the other witnesses for questioning BEFORE they die. ;)

That would actually be better.


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"...You see, Vicki...while everyone else was sucking up to her and the FBI was promoting her in the media as a 'viable witness,' no one here - or at the FBI - had the common sense to go to the one place where people post up the most self-serving shit they will usually do on the internet...

Their Facebook page...."

Not exactly true, Bobby B / Robert. I found Marla and her family's Facebook pages an extraordinary treasure trove of information during her prime, Aug-November 2011. Also, the remarkable santizing job that occured in early Decemebr 2011 was also impressive.

By the way, I think everyone should have a nick-name here at the DZ. It shows a kind of intimacy between us that balances all the defensive back-stabbing. Hence, you can call me Cousin Brucie anytime. Or, Uncle Brucie as Georger and some others prefer. I answer to both while I grit my teeth.

But at least I know you love me.

Just don't call me "Stinky."

As for Vicki, well, honey you can call me anything your little ol' heart desires......as long as you call me.

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******Well, first...my name isn't 'Bobby'. It's ROBERT. Sometimes Rob to my friends. Since you're so nit-picky on names, I thought I would toss that out to you.

It's Robert.



And sometimes, while you troll profiles on Facebook, you like to be called Jane....Jane Smith.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=138986

Yes...that's right. I used that ID to take screenshots of Marla Cooper's Facebook page right at the time she went public. It was a fair amount of work.

You see, Vicki...while everyone else was sucking up to her and the FBI was promoting her in the media as a 'viable witness,' no one here - or at the FBI - had the common sense to go to the one place where people post up the most self-serving shit they will usually do on the internet...

Their Facebook page.

I found out a few things. She was only trying to make a book deal, and based on lies at that. She told people the FBI would be closing the case soon, according to Eng. They haven't, and he never said that...I checked with the Seattle office. And other things.

People on this thread check up and research things on me (and everyone else around here) all the time. I'm no different. You have to remember about Marla. She claimed comics on the wall. She said her family was all there. She gave a detailed scenario on how the hijacking went down, including the getaway. Problem was, no one in her family would back a single bit of her story. They still don't. She made fools out of the Seattle FBI. Because of HER, they aren't saying much publicly anymore. Pre-Marla, they even returned peoples' phone calls when they had Cooper-related questions. Now you are lucky to get an answering Email.

Marla caused that. She hurt everyone who has, or is currently investigating the Cooper case. That is a fact.

And when I was done I never used the Jane ID again.

You may as well see the remainder of the screenshots again...:)
Marla accepted my friend request AND I used my real name a week after she went public. No need to deceive and use a fake profile. Sooooo....I can look at her page anytime I want. I do not need to see the screen shots again. If fact, I (or anyone else here) did not need a regurgitation of what happened in August of 2011.

Find William Mitchell yet? He is probably on Facebook too! or maybe not. ;)
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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As someone who has pissed in a lot of places during my life - it's one of the advantages of being 64 years old and urinating a lot - I have to ask, Danielle, why would you like to piss on Bernie's corpse?

Not only am I an elder spokesperson on Norjak, some even say Cooper Royalty, I also have a unique perspective on pissing in strange places. Once I pissed in my garden the day I was discharged from the hospital after my heart attack. I passed out while I whizzed and had to be re-hospitalized. No one told me that men who have heart surgery can get light-headed and pass-out when they piss standing up. Now I know, and so do you, Danielle. So, be careful when you whiz away.

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"...You see, Vicki...while everyone else was sucking up to her and the FBI was promoting her in the media as a 'viable witness,' no one here - or at the FBI - had the common sense to go to the one place where people post up the most self-serving shit they will usually do on the internet...

Their Facebook page...."

Not exactly true, Bobby B / Robert. I found Marla and her family's Facebook pages an extraordinary treasure trove of information during her prime, Aug-November 2011. Also, the remarkable santizing job that occured in early Decemebr 2011 was also impressive.

By the way, I think everyone should have a nick-name here at the DZ. It shows a kind of intimacy between us that balances all the defensive back-stabbing. Hence, you can call me Cousin Brucie anytime. Or, Uncle Brucie as Georger and some others prefer. I answer to both while I grit my teeth.

But at least I know you love me.

Just don't call me "Stinky."

As for Vicki, well, honey you can call me anything your little ol' heart desires......as long as you call me.



It's plenty true. Her own posts prove it. You are confusing her butt for her brain. I don't hate Marla, but I don't like her either. The reason is she did serious damage to civilian investigators of the Cooper case, by causing the Seattle FBI to close its open-door information policy on Cooper inquiries. You can fantasize all you want about her butt. Try dealing in reality occasionally with her, or stop calling yourself a legit Cooper investigator.

Marla got a few shots on national media by lying. In order to create a media frenzy and get a fat book deal based on those lies. It didn't work. Notice she says the FBI gave her a polygraph AFTER the DNA results came back a negative. That should tell you something. I think the only reason she didn't get prosecuted was because the Feds figured she wasn't worth the time, had issues, and was harmless anyway.


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******When Bernie dies I'm gonna piss on his corpse



I'm sure Robert appreciates your support, but I've got to ask...is this truly the only contribution that you are capable of making to this conversation?

lol..what am I saying.... it is about as intelligent as some other childish banter we've seen on this thread. But really ...desecrating a corpse?? I'll bet your mom is real proud of that.
Get another line.

Danielle is actually a kid, and a guy. He suffers from autism and gets emotional sometimes. It's like some of the emails I get from readers. My hope is that they drag in Geestman and the other witnesses for questioning BEFORE they die. ;)

That would actually be better.


I'm glad you're standing up for the kid, Bobby.

It also makes me ask the question that was asked a while back. How come you're not investigating Bernie? He could make your case, no?

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"...You are confusing her butt for her brain. I don't hate Marla, but I don't like her either. The reason is she did serious damage to civilian investigators of the Cooper case, by causing the Seattle FBI to close its open-door information policy on Cooper inquiries. You can fantasize all you want about her butt. Try dealing in reality occasionally with her, or stop calling yourself a legit Cooper investigator...."


My, Bobby, you speak so authoritatively! I'm impressed. You may be the John Wayne of Norjak! Maybe we should call you "Duke," eh?

So, I gather that you think ol' Twisty Butt train-wrecked the FBI's intimate relationship with all of us private sleuths. Hmmm. You don't think the Curvy One was set up by the feds for their own purposes?

Do you really think that the FBI thought LD Cooper was the best suspect that had come forward in 40 years - even before they had fingerprints and DNA tests completed?

If so, please tell us more!

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"...Marla got a few shots on national media by lying..."

No, Bobby, that is not true. Marla was made famous directly by the FBI via the statements they made to the journalist Alex Hanaford when PIO Ayn Dietrich told him in their two-hour interview that the Bureau had recently gotten the "most promising lead" ever in the Norjak investigation.

That statement was published in Hanaford's paper, the Sunday London Telegraph, I believe. Then Casey and the gang at the PI and Seattle Times jumped on the story within a few hours, and somebody (WHO!?) leaked Marla's name and Uncle LD to them. The rest was journalistic history and Marla was on the front page of every English-speaking newspaper on the planet within 24-hours.

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******When Bernie dies I'm gonna piss on his corpse



I'm sure Robert appreciates your support, but I've got to ask...is this truly the only contribution that you are capable of making to this conversation?

lol..what am I saying.... it is about as intelligent as some other childish banter we've seen on this thread. But really ...desecrating a corpse?? I'll bet your mom is real proud of that.
Get another line.

Danielle is actually a kid, and a guy. He suffers from autism and gets emotional sometimes. It's like some of the emails I get from readers. My hope is that they drag in Geestman and the other witnesses for questioning BEFORE they die. ;)

That would actually be better.

Robert, unlike some on here who shall remain nameless, I actually read posts. I am well aware of posts made by Danielle stating his age, his sex, where his username derives from, and that he has autism and ADD, as well as posts that demonstrate that he is certainly capable of participating in a constructive manner.
I have in the past had extremely close tutor type relationships with several autistic teens with ADD, OCD and Tourette's and other assorted DSMs. I preferred to look towards their capabilities rather than their disabilities.
I am confident that Danielle is intelligent and capable of contributing more than random posts about pissing on a corpse if he only thinks about his posts before he makes them.

Maybe I was too tongue in cheek in my response to him, but Jo tried the mama route and it didn't help much. I tried the cooler older sis thing.
Autism and ADD are challenges, especially in social skills, but if he is capable of participating in a forum I would imagine that he is capable of being instructed in appropriate usage of same.

So Danielle,
I certainly hope that you continue to post and that you remain passionate about learning about things - but perhaps you would enjoy the forum more if your could steer your enthusiasm more towards the case and less towards Bernie.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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"...Robert, unlike some on here who shall remain nameless, I actually read posts. I am well aware of posts made by Danielle stating his age, his sex, where his username derives from, and that he has autism and ADD, as well as posts that demonstrate that he is certainly capable of participating in a constructive manner.
I have in the past had extremely close tutor type relationships with several autistic teens with ADD, OCD and Tourette's and other assorted DSMs. I preferred to look towards their capabilities rather than their disabilities.
I am confident that Danielle is intelligent and capable of contributing more than random posts about pissing on a corpse if he only thinks about his posts before he makes them.

Maybe I was too tongue in cheek in my response to him, but Jo tried the mama route and it didn't help much. I tried the cooler older sis thing.
Autism and ADD are challenges, especially in social skills, but if he is capable of participating in a forum I would imagine that he is capable of being instructed in appropriate usage of same.

So Danielle,
I certainly hope that you continue to post and that you remain passionate about learning about things - but perhaps you would enjoy the forum more if your could steer your enthusiasm more towards the case and less towards Bernie..."

Nice touch, Smoke. You make a great older sister. Speaking of which, do you have any advice for lonely old guys diagnosed with Major Depression?

Just askin'

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'I'm glad you're standing up for the kid, Bobby.

It also makes me ask the question that was asked a while back. How come you're not investigating Bernie? He could make your case, no?...'



I'm through investigating these people. I am moving on. Anyone who wants to take it further can download the KC report or any of the other available material on Christiansen. The committee asked me to do one more slideshow presentation on Christiansen in August, so I will do that because this is my hometown and they've always been nice to me. I'm doing the film script with Tina M (not THAT Tina M) because I think it needs to be done as the closing chapter on KC's story. That's pretty much it. The burlesque girl's story comes out next week and Revenge Story in May. Then I'm working on a series. I'm way too busy to backtrack.

Vicki says in part:

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'Marla accepted my friend request AND I used my real name a week after she went public. No need to deceive and use a fake profile. Sooooo....I can look at her page anytime I want. I do not need to see the screen shots again. If fact, I (or anyone else here) did not need a regurgitation of what happened in August of 2011.

Find William Mitchell yet? He is probably on Facebook too! or maybe not'



The truth doesn't just 'go away' because it's been three years since Marla made those posts. It's relevant because the posts came at the same time she went public. You just don't like seeing the REAL Marla. Do you defend ALL liars, or are you just sticking up for her because you don't like me personally? Are you saying she told the truth? If so, why do you believe her story? How do you explain her posts?

You say you don't need this stuff regurgitated. Yet you were the one who brought it up, and even posted a link to one of Marla's posts. To answer your other question, I don't believe *the* Bill Mitchell is on Facebook, no.


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Do you really think that the FBI thought LD Cooper was the best suspect that had come forward in 40 years - even before they had fingerprints and DNA tests completed?

If so, please tell us more!



According to Marla, at the time the FBI said LD Cooper was the best suspect to come forward in 40 years, they already had completed the DNA tests (no match). The fingerprint testing wasn't completed until 18 months later.

I don't know why I bother engaging Robert. He'll repeat his stories, even though the entire history of the forum showing otherwise is still right here for all to read.

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