willd 0 #1 May 22, 2011 I am a new jumper with only two jumps.I am just curious as to what size they use on students like myself while doing my aff jumps,i will find out on june 4th when i do my next two jumps...After researching on here i found the formula of 1.5 times your body weight to get a good estimate for a safe canopy in square ft...1.5 times my body weight of 195 is 292.5..Thanks for the helpWill daniels Visit my website www.Adonispt.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 May 22, 2011 1.5x's your body weight is how much protein you need...try some Poundstone shakes if you need more help.For your canopy needs during AFF, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Your DZ has done this before and will probably put you under something that will have you somewhere in the .75-1:1 wingloading range. Remember that your wingloading is your exit weight. That is all of you, your gear, shoes, helmet, rig...everything you leave the plane with, not just what you weigh. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willd 0 #3 May 23, 2011 Protein,got that covered pretty good I guess my total exit weight I's what I needed to know,,I know they have me covered But i am just curious,thanks for the info Will daniels Visit my website www.Adonispt.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary73 8 #4 May 23, 2011 Exit weight is your weight right before you exit the plane, so add about 30 lbs for the rig, helmet, etc. As a student, your wing loading should be about 0.8 pounds per square foot. Therefore: 195 + 30 = 225. Add 25% and you get 281, so you'd probably end up jumping a 290 sq. ft. canopy. USPA recommends not jumping a canopy loaded at 1.0 lbs / sqft until you have at least 200 jumps. If more people would follow that advice there would be a lot fewer injuries and fatalities. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #5 May 23, 2011 QuoteUSPA recommends not jumping a canopy loaded at 1.0 lbs / sqft until you have at least 200 jumps. "The following are suggested maximum wing loadings based on experience level: a. A and B license 1.0 pounds per square foot (psf) maximum b. C license 1.2 psf maximum" A license is 25 jumps, C is 200.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
extreme78 0 #6 May 24, 2011 Im doing my AFF as well. We are the same weigth (195) and they put me on a 240 canopy. 3 jumps later it feels great :-) Good luck and have fun with it.A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #7 May 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteUSPA recommends not jumping a canopy loaded at 1.0 lbs / sqft until you have at least 200 jumps. "The following are suggested maximum wing loadings based on experience level: a. A and B license 1.0 pounds per square foot (psf) maximum b. C license 1.2 psf maximum" A license is 25 jumps, C is 200. True enough. When Willd achieves his A, B and C licenses then that would apply.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #8 May 24, 2011 QuoteQuoteUSPA recommends not jumping a canopy loaded at 1.0 lbs / sqft until you have at least 200 jumps. "The following are suggested maximum wing loadings based on experience level: a. A and B license 1.0 pounds per square foot (psf) maximum b. C license 1.2 psf maximum" A license is 25 jumps, C is 200. OH CRAP! So why am I downsizing to a 220 Triathlon when I weigh 180lbs/185lbs?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hchunter614 0 #9 May 24, 2011 Given 30 pounds for gear that would put your exit weight at 215 pounds giving you a .97:1 wingloading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #10 May 24, 2011 QuoteGiven 30 pounds for gear that would put your exit weight at 215 pounds giving you a .97:1 wingloading. Add 25% ? yes no....Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hchunter614 0 #11 May 24, 2011 Generally the +25% is added only for students with generally keeps them around .75-.85:1 wing loading. Again, just like what is said in every thread asking for advice on dz.com....Talk to your instructors or a person at the DZ that is familiar with your canopy skills. The wing loading guidelines are just that, guidelines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #12 May 24, 2011 woooh! thank god! OK yeah I'm working with my instructors to get down to my own gear! Wooh! I almost shat my self!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #13 May 24, 2011 you-you-you!!! shah! shah!! shah!!! loose some weight, you're a fucking FAT ASS!!! i hate to fly with guys like you on my side.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #14 May 24, 2011 Quote you-you-you!!! shah! shah!! shah!!! loose some weight, you're a fucking FAT ASS!!! i hate to fly with guys like you on my side.. What the hell is wrong with you?"The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #15 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote you-you-you!!! shah! shah!! shah!!! loose some weight, you're a fucking FAT ASS!!! i hate to fly with guys like you on my side.. What the hell is wrong with you? He's just being a dork. I should loose another 5lbs though.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #16 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote you-you-you!!! shah! shah!! shah!!! loose some weight, you're a fucking FAT ASS!!! i hate to fly with guys like you on my side.. What the hell is wrong with you? nothing wrong with me, u're just out of the loop of his usual threads.. and turns every thread into one about him. same douche as you, but different..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #17 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote you-you-you!!! shah! shah!! shah!!! loose some weight, you're a fucking FAT ASS!!! i hate to fly with guys like you on my side.. What the hell is wrong with you? nothing wrong with me, u're just out of the loop of his usual threads.. and turns every thread into one about him. same douche as you, but different.. In two posts you called Shah a "fucking FAT ASS" and both of us a "douche". I'd say you have a problem with something. Including the rules against PAs."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #18 May 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote you-you-you!!! shah! shah!! shah!!! loose some weight, you're a fucking FAT ASS!!! i hate to fly with guys like you on my side.. What the hell is wrong with you? nothing wrong with me, u're just out of the loop of his usual threads.. and turns every thread into one about him. same douche as you, but different.. In two posts you called Shah a "fucking FAT ASS" and both of us a "douche". I'd say you have a problem with something. Including the rules against PAs. PA's are not considered as such when they speak the truth! go hide in your hole again, troll. we'll read about you early enough when you finally managed to hook yourself in! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #19 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteUSPA recommends not jumping a canopy loaded at 1.0 lbs / sqft until you have at least 200 jumps. "The following are suggested maximum wing loadings based on experience level: a. A and B license 1.0 pounds per square foot (psf) maximum b. C license 1.2 psf maximum" A license is 25 jumps, C is 200. C would also be 499. Pretty conservative at that end, isn't it?Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btvr 0 #20 May 25, 2011 Depends on what your instructors have told you if anything. When I completed training, I asked my instructor what would be a good size for me. He recommended based on my canopy control a 170 main and 176 reserve and I weighed 195 without gear! I was jumping a 220 at the time. Well that made me a little nervous so I decided on a 210 triathlon main with a PD 193 reserve which I have made about 130 jumps on. The triathlon IMO is a nice canopy and somewhat forgiving. your weight and a 220 tri isn't scary but only you can decide if you are ready for that. Take a canopy skills course. I took the Scot Miller course and what a difference that made!! Now I'm ready to down size to pilot 188. I also have dropped some weight and weigh 182 without gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #21 May 25, 2011 QuoteDepends on what your instructors have told you if anything. Yep. That. Ask experts who have seen your flight/landings. If they are OK with it then you might be. The only way to be sure is to jump it, and then you have to land it. It is a 100% commitment and you won't know until you try. Have a valid reason to want to downsize (ie. not "to fit my container" or "it should be easier to pack") and ensure you can repeatedly do the things on the various canopy skills lists on the larger canopy before going smaller (eg. accuracy, landing down and crosswind, up and down hills and on the rears)."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btvr 0 #22 May 25, 2011 Yep. That. Ask experts who have seen your flight/landings. If they are OK with it then you might be. The only way to be sure is to jump it, and then you have to land it. It is a 100% commitment and you won't know until you try. Have a valid reason to want to downsize (ie. not "to fit my container" or "it should be easier to pack") and ensure you can repeatedly do the things on the various canopy skills lists on the larger canopy before going smaller (eg. accuracy, landing down and crosswind, up and down hills and on the rears). Quote You are right, Master things and know your canopy completly before downsizing. If you have never done any of the things mentioned above about landing and flight control etc on a bigger more docile canopy then you are not ready to go smaller. Smaller and faster is not the time to try and do something you have never done. after 100 jumps on my Tri I went through the canopy course and learned even more stuff about my canopy I never knew before. I highly recommend a canopy course. Be safe and live to jump other days Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #23 May 25, 2011 QuoteI am a new jumper with only two jumps.I am just curious as to what size they use on students like myself while doing my aff jumps,i will find out on june 4th when i do my next two jumps...After researching on here i found the formula of 1.5 times your body weight to get a good estimate for a safe canopy in square ft...1.5 times my body weight of 195 is 292.5..Thanks for the help I don't think you will need a parachute with all those muscles you will just bounce right off the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #24 May 25, 2011 Quote Yep. That. Ask experts who have seen your flight/landings. If they are OK with it then you might be. Unless your instructors/experts have seen you landing up-wind, down-wind, cross-wind, up-hill, down-hill, on concrete, off the drop-zone, and making turns at tree-top and ground level they haven't seen enough to make that call so you shouldn't jump a smaller canopy even if they say it's OK. If they have seen all that it's probably because you have bad judgement and shouldn't be down sizing in order to limit the damage you do when you screw up. Quote The only way to be sure is to jump it, and then you have to land it. It is a 100% commitment and you won't know until you try. Landing canopies straight ahead into a wide open grassy field with limited distractions is not a big deal even when they're getting small although you can't guarantee that every landing will be like that - people get bad spots, people don't see obstacles on the sunset load, people either make low turns to get back into the wind or land cross/down-wind, etc. Quote You are right, Master things and know your canopy completly before downsizing. If you have never done any of the things mentioned above about landing and flight control etc on a bigger more docile canopy then you are not ready to go smaller. Smaller and faster is not the time to try and do something you have never done. after 100 jumps on my Tri I went through the canopy course and learned even more stuff about my canopy I never knew before. I highly recommend a canopy course. Be safe and live to jump other days Right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willd 0 #25 May 25, 2011 So at the end of the day i have learned that me being around 195/200 and adding about 20 lbs for gear/ putting me at about 220 / .85 will put me around 240/260 square ft...Once i feel comfortable with landing then might consider going to 1.0..I wont put a time line on that,better to be safe....Will daniels Visit my website www.Adonispt.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
