Elisha 1 #1 October 31, 2006 Anyone know what it is? Just curious. Don't worry - not thinking of doing any funny-business rigging with one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #2 October 31, 2006 Hmmm . . . that would depend on what your pull-up cord is made of?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #3 October 31, 2006 QuoteHmmm . . . that would depend on what your pull-up cord is made of? Assume they are the typical vendor (e.g. PD, Aerodyne, Icarus, etc.) or DZ custom-made pull-up cords you commonly see around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerry81 10 #4 November 1, 2006 400 lbs? Guess based on the tensile strength of 3/4" nylon binding tape. Wanna get a pull-up cord and test it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #5 November 1, 2006 It's usually binding tape so depending on the width from 400 for the 3/4" to 500 for the 1"You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #6 November 1, 2006 QuoteWanna get a pull-up cord and test it? That sounds like a rigger challenge to me. Hey riggers! I bet you can't break a pull-up cord in your pull test machines! I dare you! If you do, you must report back here with your results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #7 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt's usually binding tape so depending on the width from 400 for the 3/4" to 500 for the 1" If this is anywhere near correct, than that is cool. All I know, is that I bet it is much stronger than my stupid yoga rope....which broke when I tried to hang upside down by it at home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #8 November 1, 2006 If the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope!You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #9 November 1, 2006 QuoteIf the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope! Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 3 #10 November 1, 2006 Quote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver I'm sure glad to read this, I know someone who has pullup cord as their dive loops, and I thought it looked pretty cool (color contrasts), and had considered it for myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #11 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver I'm sure glad to read this, I know someone who has pullup cord as their dive loops, and I thought it looked pretty cool (color contrasts), and had considered it for myself. We were very sure it was a fatality when he hit, yet he lived. Pelvis, legs and back broke in several places. If you think of it, the fibers run lengthwise and allow for stitching thread to pull through that direction when force is applied. Please impress upon your friend to remove these and put the proper webbing in place for their dive loops. If they want more information I can get them this rigger's contact info and hear first hand about the tragedy. He wrote an article for Skydiving Magazine a few years ago, after he had healed up. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 14 #12 November 1, 2006 Quote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. At 400 # tensile strength, how did he break it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #13 November 1, 2006 Anything as bad from using binding tape for a (collapsible) bridle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #14 November 1, 2006 When I build dive loops I use either 1" square weave (1000 LBS) or type 17 (2500 LBS). The latter is probably overkilled. It'd be interesting to know if the failure you mentioned occured at the stitching or at the tape itself. I had a similar episode where the dive loop broke. Fortunately it was on a BASE jump and those canopies are much more forgiving. At any rate, the reason of the failure was the stitching. The loop was held in place by 4" of straight stitching only (E thread). That equates to about 215 LBS or about 1/4 of the strength of the material. Remember that the stitching must be at least as strong as the material.You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Suavel 0 #15 November 1, 2006 The fibers on pull up cord material run lengthwise, as someone said before. She insinuated that the thread used to attatch the cord to the risers was able to pull through the cord fibers. So it basically came out of the stitching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brianfry713 0 #16 November 1, 2006 I've broken a few really worn out pull up cords while closing a rig.BASE 1224, Senior Parachute Rigger, CPL ASEL IA, AGI, IGI USPA Coach & UPT Tandem Instructor, PRO, Altimaster Field Support Representative Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #17 November 3, 2006 QuoteIf the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope! Well, to report back, I did succeed in hanging myself by my feet using to pullup cords tied together. I had to put my cooler on top of a chair to get myself in a position to put my feet in them though. Even after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kkeenan 13 #18 November 3, 2006 QuoteEven after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. You just need something wider that will distribute the load better. Check with a rigger or the DZ and see if you can get some old harness webbing. 2 in. width vs. 3/4 in. will make a big difference. Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #19 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteEven after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. You just need something wider that will distribute the load better. Check with a rigger or the DZ and see if you can get some old harness webbing. 2 in. width vs. 3/4 in. will make a big difference. Kevin Good idea. I wonder if some old leg pads would be available too? This $100 yoga thing has big eyehold screws to screw into the wall, straps, and pads to make hanging comfortable. I'd like to avoid putting big holes in my walls though (and spending 5 jump tix for something that lets me hang upside down comfortably). 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slotperfect 7 #2 October 31, 2006 Hmmm . . . that would depend on what your pull-up cord is made of?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #3 October 31, 2006 QuoteHmmm . . . that would depend on what your pull-up cord is made of? Assume they are the typical vendor (e.g. PD, Aerodyne, Icarus, etc.) or DZ custom-made pull-up cords you commonly see around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #4 November 1, 2006 400 lbs? Guess based on the tensile strength of 3/4" nylon binding tape. Wanna get a pull-up cord and test it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base_rigger 0 #5 November 1, 2006 It's usually binding tape so depending on the width from 400 for the 3/4" to 500 for the 1"You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #6 November 1, 2006 QuoteWanna get a pull-up cord and test it? That sounds like a rigger challenge to me. Hey riggers! I bet you can't break a pull-up cord in your pull test machines! I dare you! If you do, you must report back here with your results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #7 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt's usually binding tape so depending on the width from 400 for the 3/4" to 500 for the 1" If this is anywhere near correct, than that is cool. All I know, is that I bet it is much stronger than my stupid yoga rope....which broke when I tried to hang upside down by it at home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #8 November 1, 2006 If the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope!You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #9 November 1, 2006 QuoteIf the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope! Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 3 #10 November 1, 2006 Quote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver I'm sure glad to read this, I know someone who has pullup cord as their dive loops, and I thought it looked pretty cool (color contrasts), and had considered it for myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #11 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver I'm sure glad to read this, I know someone who has pullup cord as their dive loops, and I thought it looked pretty cool (color contrasts), and had considered it for myself. We were very sure it was a fatality when he hit, yet he lived. Pelvis, legs and back broke in several places. If you think of it, the fibers run lengthwise and allow for stitching thread to pull through that direction when force is applied. Please impress upon your friend to remove these and put the proper webbing in place for their dive loops. If they want more information I can get them this rigger's contact info and hear first hand about the tragedy. He wrote an article for Skydiving Magazine a few years ago, after he had healed up. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 14 #12 November 1, 2006 Quote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. At 400 # tensile strength, how did he break it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #13 November 1, 2006 Anything as bad from using binding tape for a (collapsible) bridle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites base_rigger 0 #14 November 1, 2006 When I build dive loops I use either 1" square weave (1000 LBS) or type 17 (2500 LBS). The latter is probably overkilled. It'd be interesting to know if the failure you mentioned occured at the stitching or at the tape itself. I had a similar episode where the dive loop broke. Fortunately it was on a BASE jump and those canopies are much more forgiving. At any rate, the reason of the failure was the stitching. The loop was held in place by 4" of straight stitching only (E thread). That equates to about 215 LBS or about 1/4 of the strength of the material. Remember that the stitching must be at least as strong as the material.You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Suavel 0 #15 November 1, 2006 The fibers on pull up cord material run lengthwise, as someone said before. She insinuated that the thread used to attatch the cord to the risers was able to pull through the cord fibers. So it basically came out of the stitching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brianfry713 0 #16 November 1, 2006 I've broken a few really worn out pull up cords while closing a rig.BASE 1224, Senior Parachute Rigger, CPL ASEL IA, AGI, IGI USPA Coach & UPT Tandem Instructor, PRO, Altimaster Field Support Representative Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #17 November 3, 2006 QuoteIf the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope! Well, to report back, I did succeed in hanging myself by my feet using to pullup cords tied together. I had to put my cooler on top of a chair to get myself in a position to put my feet in them though. Even after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kkeenan 13 #18 November 3, 2006 QuoteEven after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. You just need something wider that will distribute the load better. Check with a rigger or the DZ and see if you can get some old harness webbing. 2 in. width vs. 3/4 in. will make a big difference. Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #19 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteEven after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. You just need something wider that will distribute the load better. Check with a rigger or the DZ and see if you can get some old harness webbing. 2 in. width vs. 3/4 in. will make a big difference. Kevin Good idea. I wonder if some old leg pads would be available too? This $100 yoga thing has big eyehold screws to screw into the wall, straps, and pads to make hanging comfortable. I'd like to avoid putting big holes in my walls though (and spending 5 jump tix for something that lets me hang upside down comfortably). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites everymansaved 0 #20 November 6, 2006 I love it when people quote prices in # of jumps, they're just saying what we're all thinking!God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Elisha 1 #7 November 1, 2006 QuoteIt's usually binding tape so depending on the width from 400 for the 3/4" to 500 for the 1" If this is anywhere near correct, than that is cool. All I know, is that I bet it is much stronger than my stupid yoga rope....which broke when I tried to hang upside down by it at home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base_rigger 0 #8 November 1, 2006 If the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope!You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #9 November 1, 2006 QuoteIf the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope! Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #10 November 1, 2006 Quote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver I'm sure glad to read this, I know someone who has pullup cord as their dive loops, and I thought it looked pretty cool (color contrasts), and had considered it for myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #11 November 1, 2006 QuoteQuote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. ltdiver I'm sure glad to read this, I know someone who has pullup cord as their dive loops, and I thought it looked pretty cool (color contrasts), and had considered it for myself. We were very sure it was a fatality when he hit, yet he lived. Pelvis, legs and back broke in several places. If you think of it, the fibers run lengthwise and allow for stitching thread to pull through that direction when force is applied. Please impress upon your friend to remove these and put the proper webbing in place for their dive loops. If they want more information I can get them this rigger's contact info and hear first hand about the tragedy. He wrote an article for Skydiving Magazine a few years ago, after he had healed up. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #12 November 1, 2006 Quote Just don't use it as a dive loop on your riser. I know one rigger who did this and when it broke he dove HARD into the ground. Broke alot of bones (and pride) on -that- one. Was out healing the injuries for more than 6 months. At 400 # tensile strength, how did he break it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #13 November 1, 2006 Anything as bad from using binding tape for a (collapsible) bridle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base_rigger 0 #14 November 1, 2006 When I build dive loops I use either 1" square weave (1000 LBS) or type 17 (2500 LBS). The latter is probably overkilled. It'd be interesting to know if the failure you mentioned occured at the stitching or at the tape itself. I had a similar episode where the dive loop broke. Fortunately it was on a BASE jump and those canopies are much more forgiving. At any rate, the reason of the failure was the stitching. The loop was held in place by 4" of straight stitching only (E thread). That equates to about 215 LBS or about 1/4 of the strength of the material. Remember that the stitching must be at least as strong as the material.You know you have a problem when maggot is the voice of reason at the exit points Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suavel 0 #15 November 1, 2006 The fibers on pull up cord material run lengthwise, as someone said before. She insinuated that the thread used to attatch the cord to the risers was able to pull through the cord fibers. So it basically came out of the stitching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianfry713 0 #16 November 1, 2006 I've broken a few really worn out pull up cords while closing a rig.BASE 1224, Senior Parachute Rigger, CPL ASEL IA, AGI, IGI USPA Coach & UPT Tandem Instructor, PRO, Altimaster Field Support Representative Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #17 November 3, 2006 QuoteIf the material is mil spec then that is the minimum break strength...so yeah it should work as a yoga rope! Well, to report back, I did succeed in hanging myself by my feet using to pullup cords tied together. I had to put my cooler on top of a chair to get myself in a position to put my feet in them though. Even after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 13 #18 November 3, 2006 QuoteEven after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. You just need something wider that will distribute the load better. Check with a rigger or the DZ and see if you can get some old harness webbing. 2 in. width vs. 3/4 in. will make a big difference. Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #19 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteEven after putting socks on though, the pullup cords cut into my feet enough that it was uncomfortable at best. Guess I might just have to get a real yoga hanging harness or whatever it is called. You just need something wider that will distribute the load better. Check with a rigger or the DZ and see if you can get some old harness webbing. 2 in. width vs. 3/4 in. will make a big difference. Kevin Good idea. I wonder if some old leg pads would be available too? This $100 yoga thing has big eyehold screws to screw into the wall, straps, and pads to make hanging comfortable. I'd like to avoid putting big holes in my walls though (and spending 5 jump tix for something that lets me hang upside down comfortably). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everymansaved 0 #20 November 6, 2006 I love it when people quote prices in # of jumps, they're just saying what we're all thinking!God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
