Has any of you experienced a bag lock and..

[autoset 0]

..was able to miraculously take the canopy out of the bag by pulling down the risers real hard once or twice before cutting away and deploying reserve?

[phoenixlpr 0]

Think again. You have started opening about 900m AGL. After 5 seconds you see that you have a bag lock. You speed is over 150 km/h. You have about 15 seconds to bounce. What is your move?

[Tonto 1]

I've had 2.

The 1st was on my 44th Tandem. I cut away and deployed the reserve.

The 2nd was caused by a failed PC. I cut away and deployed the reserve. I've attached my incident report.

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It's the year of the Pig.

[speedy 0]

I once did something that was very, very silly.

Dave

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[AFFI 0]

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..was able to miraculously take the canopy out of the bag by pulling down the risers real hard once or twice before cutting away and deploying reserve?

Does this question make sense to any trained skydivers out there?

Me neither...

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[phoenixlpr 0]

You may pick on his/her profile, but he/she just wanted to have some educated answers.

[kris2extreme 0]

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..was able to miraculously take the canopy out of the bag by pulling down the risers real hard once or twice before cutting away and deploying reserve?

Once.

Last load of the day, rushed pack job, I had about 30 jumps at the time. Hop & Pop from 7k. Pitched the PC about 5 seconds out of the door, it stood me up, looked above me to find a spinning bag. I knew I had a little bit of time to play with it before having to chop, so I yanked on the risers once and it cleared. Main opened with 4-5 line twists which I was able to easily kick out of by 5k. After inspection of the gear, it appeared that a line stow had gotten looped around another stow, and the force from jerking on the risers broke the 2 rubber band stows causing the mal.

Would I do it again? Maybe, maybe not.

If I deploy at normal deployment altitude (under 4k) after a jump and see a bag lock, it's getting chopped immediately because even if the bag does clear, i'll probably have too severe of line twists to be able to clear and end up chopping anyways.

If it were on a high-ish hop&pop or a full altitude clear & pull, then there's a better chance that I would play with it for a little while before chopping.

[AFFI 0]

Picking on?
This is some strange usage of the term “picking on” that I am not aware of.

Just merely pointing out that many of us here will take such inquiries more seriously by non-anonymous posters.

OK…

Not a good idea as phoenix already pointed out.

If a Baglock stands you up there are some schools of thought that suggest once you loose the drag of your body you may increase your descent speed (perhaps the drag of the trailing PC and BL will compensate?).
If the canopy comes out of the bag at this point (increase rate of descent/poor body position + other factors it would take a physics professor to figure out) then there is a possibility that the canopy may open violently, possibly resulting in pain and suffering to the person suspended under said mess…

Case in point:
A friend experienced a Baglock at 13k after a clear and pull (Hop&Pop) from altitude – he did not want to cut it away at that altitude because he thought he would never find his main after chopping it that high.
At 9k or so the canopy opened violently resulting in a back that was broken in 2 places.
It is not a good idea to take this course of action, althouh it did work for Kris, it is not a chance I would be willing to take (back surgeries suck).
It would have been much more inexpensive, less painful, less hosipital time and less time out of the sport to go ahead and loose the canopy…


In learning the basic fundamentals of dealing with malfunctions, an adequately trained skydiver will understand that any high speed partial malfunction requires immediate action (cutaway/deploy reserve) because with the high rate of descent /adrenaline pumping fun , it may be very possible for any skydiver to loose track of altitude.

Baglock is a High Speed Parial Malfunction:
Cutaway and Deploy the Reserve now.
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Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[phoenixlpr 0]

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Case in point:
A friend experienced a Baglock at 13k after a clear and pull (Hop&Pop) from altitude – he did not want to cut it away at that altitude because he thought he would never find his main after chopping it that high.
At 9k or so the canopy opened violently resulting in a back that was broken in 2 places.
It is not a good idea to take this course of action, althouh it did work for Kris, it is not a chance I would be willing to take (back surgeries suck).
It would have been much more inexpensive, less painful, less hosipital time and less time out of the sport to go ahead and loose the canopy…

Thanks for the case!

[DougH 270]

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You may pick on his/her profile, but he/she just wanted to have some educated answers.

I don't think he is "picking on". Would you give the same anwser to a student with 23 jumps, as you would a jumper with five years in the sport and 1200 jumps?

It is pretty reasonable to want to know who your audience is, maybe a webjumper who hasn't even had a tandem yet, some one just out of AFF, a hundred jump wonder like myself, or an old salt.

I want to see if I can find this video that was posted recently for the OP.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[TaylorC 0]

i have had a small case of bag lock but it cleared its self when i looked up and then the canopy opened just fine. Saw the video of this pretty bad bag lock that happeded to someone i know where he tried to fix it then when into line twists when it cleared then he cut away and pulled reserve and at this point his cypress fired. Unless your pulling at like 5000 feet AGL probally a better idea to just cut away.

[tkhayes 140]

Once, Twice, Go to plan B

That applies to 'looking at a bag lock'

It also applies to trying to fix a malfunction that may be considered 'minor'

There is nothign that you can do for a bag lock except watch it for another second or tow and hope that it clears. Then you get rid of it, Immediately.

trying to fix high speed malfunctions is like trying to steer the car before going over a cliff, versus simply applying the brakes to stop before you go over the cliff.

You gain nothing by continuing on the same path you are already on.

[AFFI 0]

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Saw the video of this pretty bad bag lock that happeded to someone i know where he tried to fix it then when into line twists when it cleared then he cut away and pulled reserve and at this point his cypress fired. Unless your pulling at like 5000 feet AGL probally a better idea to just cut away.

What a great point (worth repeating) about loosing altitude awareness by not following fundamental guidelines.

Baglock is a High Speed Parial Malfunction:
Cutaway and Deploy the Reserve now.

Under no circumstances is it recommended to attempt to correct this problem!
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Mykel AFF-I10
Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat…

[DougH 270]

On a high hop and pop if you chop it is most likely gone right? And if you try to ride it down it might open like a ton of bricks possibly causing you to be seriously injured.

This is a stupid thought as a disclaimer I am just playing the what if game... but what if you didn't have an RSL and you pulled the cutaway cables enough to chop only one riser, or you held one of the three rings closed so only one side would release. Then if the canopy opened viloently it would streamer instead of whacking you.

Edit: seems way too complicated now that I think about it!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[AFFI 0]

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This is a stupid thought as a disclaimer I am just playing the what if game... but what if you didn't have an RSL and you pulled the cutaway cables enough to chop only one riser, or you held one of the three rings closed so only one side would release. Then if the canopy opened viloently it would streamer instead of whacking you.

Edit: seems way too complicated now that I think about it!

[wildWilly 0]

You're right it is a stupid thought.

By doing something like this you are attempting to solve one problem by creating a bigger problem.
By having these "what if" thoughts you could be distrcted from the knowledge and train that WILL result in and better chance at saving your life.
If it doesn't look right. Get rid of it.
A reserve pack job or even a lost main is not worth your lfe.

Willy

growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional.

[pilotdave 0]

Just an example of how fast and violent a bag lock can be...

http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=3811

Dave

[phoenixlpr 0]

Have you ever had a fast malfunction?

[jsaxton 0]

I had one, I threw out my main (a Stilettto 135), got stood up, and saw a classic bag lock, as I was reaching for my handles the canopy came out (rather violently) the left riser scraped the side of my head (I was not using a helmet at that time) and I got bloodied up pretty good.

[DougH 270]

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I am glad I could bring a smile to some ones life. For the record I would just chop it, especially with my 300 dollar main.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[mik 2]

reply]..was able to miraculously take the canopy out of the bag by pulling down the risers real hard once or twice before cutting away and deploying reserve?