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Ron 7
QuoteDuring the last month we have had more than a couple of Cypress saves. All of these were due to lack of altitude awareness caused by blatant complacency and disregard for basic safety rules. This is completely unacceptable.
In response to this we have established a new rule. Anyone who has a cypress deployment due to lack of altitude awareness will be grounded at Perris for 30 days. Please deploy your own parachute by 2,000 feet. (That shouldn't be too much to ask.)
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!
I agree 100%
After a second time, you would not be allowed back.
Ron 7
QuoteI think it's a shame. Sometimes shit happens
Shit happening can kill you.
The only thing this sport is really about is surviving...Points turned, big formations, head down carves...ALL are second to landing safe.
If you can't do the #1 thing do to another lesser thing....You need to rethink the situation.
QuoteMaking someone wait 30 days to jump again or handing them a bowling ball sucks.
Funerals suck more.
QuoteOh well, just my opinion but i think a cypres fire once would ensure someone to not lose awareness again.
so ONE is OK?
It is this attitude that has increased the number of CYPRES fires over the number of low pull deaths.
QuoteJust curious, but does anyone think that having a mandatory grounding due to cypres fire will encourage people to stop using a cypres or not buy one for their rig at all?
Yup, exactly what I was thinking. Or just take the rig to another DZ/Rigger to hide what happened and thus not having the reality of the situation discussed with them (re:no lesson learned). Plus, I doubt that Elsinore is enforcing this rule so it wouldn't take much to drive down the street and jump there.
And what about those idiots that don't have an AAD and DO pull low all the time? Just because they don't have a cutter in their rig makes it ok for them to repeat it? Also, do you really think that lack of a Cypres will cause the idiots in this sport to maintain Alti awarness? I'm sure by now we have all seen the Cypres ad with the guy landing in a backyard. The lack of an AAD didn't stop that guy from going low.
This rule has some great intentions, and I support the forward thinking they have on this subject. I agree a lot with what people have said in favor of this rule. This sport is not for everyone, funerals, suck, alti awarness isn't an option, etc. However, I think this rule can end up causing damage in the long run....or worse, a dead body.
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
Ron 7
QuoteJust curious, but does anyone think that having a mandatory grounding due to cypres fire will encourage people to stop using a cypres or not buy one for their rig at all?
No. Fear of being grounded for 30 days is a stupid reason not to have a CYPRES.
What it WILL do is make people pay attention.
Winsor wrote:
QuoteEveryone is not cut out for this sport.
You said:
QuoteI don't think it's fair to make this statement
I think its a perfectly fair statement. People are continuing to jump due to the CYPRES being around that would have quit long ago....I am not sure that thats a good thing.
I have seen MANY people who should not be skydiving.
QuoteIn the short time that I have been a skydiver, the only people I've talked to that have lost altitude awareness are AFF students and advanced jumpers who were too intense with their jumps...like someone I know who was doing an intense carving dive head down and both people lost alti awareness.
The number ONE thing in this sport is to survive...EVERYTHING else is SECOND. EVERYTHING.
If you are to busy turning points or going for the "cool carve" to stay focused on the number ONE thing....Your priorities are fucked up. 30 days thinking about it is a SMALL price.
Quote30 day layoff in which the person will simply jump at the next closest dropzone.
I would call the other DZ...And if another DZ told me that they grounded a jumper...I'd ground them also....In any case if I ground them at my DZ at least they will not bounce there.
QuoteIf someone did a purposeful action that resulted in cypres fire, I could understand a 30 day suspension
I'd rather have a guy doing low pulls ON PURPOSE than a guy doing one on accident.
j/k
Blues,
Ian
Shit does not just happen. There is a reason for things happening. You go below 1000' and you cypress fires you had a major gear problem or you fucked up. In either case, without the cypress you are dead. People need to understand that.
Sparky
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