virgin-burner 1 #51 September 8, 2008 well, i'm one little jumper from one of the smallest countries in the world and a noob at that. i wont change the system how things are handled here. i'm being open tough and speak how things are handled over here. and i try not to judge how others are handling things. if someone didnt understand the sarcastic remark, well, thats another story.. at least, i post a question in the open, and ask for others opinions. if that is wrong, the forum looses its base for existence.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #52 September 8, 2008 Yeah, but now you've pissed off a Texan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #53 September 8, 2008 ...nobody should know my gear better than me! Couple things I've noticed in the few years ive been jumping: Most fun jumpers pack for themselves, saves money. Many staffers pack for themselves, though many turn loads and edit so much that they dont have time so paying packers makes them money. The few fun jumpers ive met that pay packers have 2+ rigs and make back to backs all day like it's cool. 20-25 jumps in a day with a lunch break, in a few months they double my jump numbers after 3.5 yrs, AWESOME! I would venture to guess almost every packer knows your gear better than you, knows most gear better than or close to equal as those they pack for. You probably have under 200 pack jobs where they have thousands on many different rigs. They know their sh*t. I'd also guess they know more than the theory beind how to put a 3 ring together, I certainly learned that before I got my A in the US of A. Where'd you get this impression btw? Come jump on the west coast, $13 jumps. We'll do something stupid in the sky and you can do some research as well as interview us strange Americans to bring back some data to Europe So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #54 September 8, 2008 It seems to me that it makes a lot of sense to let a packer pack if you have the money, as he'll probably do a better job then you as he will have WAY more experience (assuming you don't have thousands of pack jobs yourself) and he'll do it WAY faster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repcool 2 #55 September 8, 2008 Quote well, i'm one little jumper from one of the smallest countries in the world and a noob at that. i wont change the system how things are handled here. i'm being open tough and speak how things are handled over here. and i try not to judge how others are handling things. if someone didnt understand the sarcastic remark, well, thats another story.. at least, i post a question in the open, and ask for others opinions. if that is wrong, the forum looses its base for existence.. It is good to speak up and ask these questions. Now you learned it is a good idea to get a gear\pin check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #56 September 8, 2008 I've had some fucked up packer openings at the same time though, who gets spanked on a Spectre? I did 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #57 September 8, 2008 Yeah but that generally doesn't happen if you know your packer. And how was your body position on that jump? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #58 September 8, 2008 Body position was as good as my next jump that i packed myself and had a nice snivel 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #59 September 8, 2008 It can happen on any canopy. I have heard of people having very hard openings on a Spectre. It's not as likely as a Sabre, but it does happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #60 September 8, 2008 Yep i know, but after reading how well they open it was just too funny that i got spanked on my first try of one. I saw the humour.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #61 September 8, 2008 is that an invitation!? 13$ is eloy, right? i might just do that.. and sorry for those that felt offended. reading around here really leaves a funny taste in your mouth sometimes.. even for an enlighted, over-educated european that speaks and understands around five different languages.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #62 September 8, 2008 >nobody should know my gear better than me! That's actually one reason to have a second set of eyes look at it. Things that are fine to you (i.e. "I've put hundreds of jumps on this harness; that friction adapter always looks that way") will catch someone's eye because they're not "used to it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #63 September 8, 2008 weeell, thats a bit of a problem, since i've only put about 100 jumps on my rig now.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrismgtis 0 #64 September 8, 2008 QuoteIt seems to me that it makes a lot of sense to let a packer pack if you have the money, as he'll probably do a better job then you as he will have WAY more experience (assuming you don't have thousands of pack jobs yourself) and he'll do it WAY faster. That's the way I see it. lolRodriguez Brother #1614, Muff Brother #4033 Jumped: Twin Otter, Cessna 182, CASA, Helicopter, Caravan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #65 September 8, 2008 $13 US in Lodi (northern California), get some tunnel time while you are in the area as well! www.iflysfbay.com. Yes, it is an invite of course! I wanna see a crazy euro dude get hyphy, ha ha ha! Not offended, just curious where a rumor like that gets started and what the base of it is. Especially with you only having experience at 1 DZ 10,000 miles (i think that translates to like 100,000,000 km right? ha!) from where it takes place. speaking multiple languages has only gotten me in trouble with the women in other countries... Over rated. Getting kicked in the nuts is universal knowledge. So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #66 September 8, 2008 i've been jumping at four different dropzones in the radius of about 300 kilometers. that is about 200 miles, maybe a bit less.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #67 September 8, 2008 QuoteIt seems to me that it makes a lot of sense to let a packer pack if you have the money, as he'll probably do a better job then you as he will have WAY more experience (assuming you don't have thousands of pack jobs yourself) and he'll do it WAY faster. Faster, no doubt. Better is subjective. On average, I believe I get harder openings with a packer job. It's hard to quantify though with small data sets. No mals from either source as well. It's silly to immediately blame body position though. Packers do have an incentive towards fast - time is money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #68 September 8, 2008 Quote i've been jumping at four different dropzones in the radius of about 300 kilometers. that is about 200 miles, maybe a bit less.. Ha ha, I stand corrected! You DO have a tremendously diverse WOOOOOORLD of skydiving experience! We're both newbies here my man. Keep askin Q's, only way to get the A's. Where did you get the impression that no American fun jumpers pack though? Still interested purely out of curiosity. I know we Americans tend to have a certain Int'l rep, didn't realize it crossed into skydiving.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #69 September 9, 2008 Quote Quote i've been jumping at four different dropzones in the radius of about 300 kilometers. that is about 200 miles, maybe a bit less.. Ha ha, I stand corrected! You DO have a tremendously diverse WOOOOOORLD of skydiving experience! We're both newbies here my man. Keep askin Q's, only way to get the A's. Where did you get the impression that no American fun jumpers pack though? Still interested purely out of curiosity. I know we Americans tend to have a certain Int'l rep, didn't realize it crossed into skydiving. i did say MOST, not all sport jumpers wouldnt pack themselves. reading around here gave me that IMPRESSION. and i'm not talking about instructors, i do have a certain understanding that they wont pack themselves if they're at a busy dropzone. when i checked yesterday in the classifieds/employments, on the first page alone there were six packers looked for. if i remember correctly, that was more than say AFFIs or TIs.. and somehow i'm fed up asking questions that are skydiving-related. just read through this thread to know why.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denete 2 #70 September 9, 2008 Quote i got a PM saying i should change the sound of my post. there is some irony included, but i figured that people would understand that. forget about the smelling bad comment and the like.. my question still stands tough, why do a lot of jumpers choose to let their rigs pack by someone else? Because Lyndon Johnson thought it was a good idea at the time. That's the culture...maybe.SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #71 September 9, 2008 Quote Quote It seems to me that it makes a lot of sense to let a packer pack if you have the money, as he'll probably do a better job then you as he will have WAY more experience (assuming you don't have thousands of pack jobs yourself) and he'll do it WAY faster. Faster, no doubt. Better is subjective. On average, I believe I get harder openings with a packer job. It's hard to quantify though with small data sets. No mals from either source as well. It's silly to immediately blame body position though. Packers do have an incentive towards fast - time is money. +1 I gotta rush through everyone elses pack jobs so i can get myself ready for the load! Oh and funky openings are ALWAYS body positionBASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #72 September 9, 2008 "i did say MOST, not all sport jumpers..." C'mon, you know what I'm asking, no need to get nit picky. If a DZ is doing 2-300 tandems in a weekend with video for at least 3/4 of those and also has a team or two training, they might need more than 1 or 2 packers. Most turbine dropzones are going to need numerous packers especially if running multiple planes and/or back to backs. Big country (comparatively), 300 million, think BIG Welcome to the USA.There is a reason why we burn so much fuel...IT'S FUN!!! So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #73 September 9, 2008 how many dropzones are that big?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #74 September 9, 2008 Lots during the season, and quite a few more if you include those in the 130+ range for friday, saturday, sunday.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #75 September 9, 2008 PA removed. Your one warning.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
