Cop's still support Trump

[JoeWeber 2,299]

“President Trump’s history of support for the men and women of Law Enforcement is unmatched,” IUPA President Sam Cabral said in a Feb. 6 statement. “His policies and actions were directed at improving safety in our communities and the men and women who provide that shield. He has earned and deserves our wholehearted support.”

Obviously fomenting insurrections, riots, street brawls, committing rape, fraud, or simply encouraging your moronic followers to bash cop's in the head doesn't matter a twit when you stand to be rewarded with being on the sharp end of a Police State come 2025. Of course in the aftermath of the insurrection, there was nary a peep from Americas Finest, in particular the 375,000-member Fraternal Order of Police, which represents the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington, D.C., and the Capitol Police. For reference, those are the two agencies whose officers were attacked on January 6, 2021. 

At this point I think it's time to wonder if we haven't simply leap frogged past banana republic and went directly to failed state.

[wmw999 2,122]

19 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

At this point I think it's time to wonder if we haven't simply leap frogged past banana republic and went directly to failed state.

Not to failed state yet, but I think the thin blue line is strong here; it's just that the non-MAGA-heads are seen as being outside that line by too many people here.

All this deliberate division of people is so damaging.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

14 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Not to failed state yet, but I think the thin blue line is strong here; it's just that the non-MAGA-heads are seen as being outside that line by too many people here.

All this deliberate division of people is so damaging.

Wendy P.

When the armed authorities, who are empowered to arrest, detain, and if it's not too inconvenient kill you, are in lockstep support of authoritarian leadership in a country I'm saying that country is failing.

[gowlerk 1,913]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Not to failed state yet, but I think the thin blue line is strong here; it's just that the non-MAGA-heads are seen as being outside that line by too many people here.

The police are just the same as any other group of people. They will be in favour of anyone who proposes increasing their power. 

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3 hours ago, gowlerk said:

The police are just the same as any other group of people. They will be in favour of anyone who proposes increasing their power. 

There's a lot to be said for that statement yes.  People are often power hungry and groups of people more so.  It is why we have checks and balances.... Trump is looking to remove the checks and balances that impede him.  

[grimmie 173]

Blue live matter. Unless red hats are doing the beatings.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

On 2/22/2024 at 1:52 PM, gowlerk said:

The police are just the same as any other group of people

Nonsense. They are our paid employees who are tasked with our safety not using their given powers to advance themselves at the expense of their employers. They are in fact a very unique group of people whose misdeeds absolutely fall into the "thats surely worse" category when they violate our trust. It shouldn't take a second to identify other such groups. 

[gowlerk 1,913]

4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Nonsense. They are our paid employees who are tasked with our safety not using their given powers to advance themselves at the expense of their employers. They are in fact a very unique group of people whose misdeeds absolutely fall into the "thats surely worse" category when they violate our trust. It shouldn't take a second to identify other such groups. 

Nice job of completely ignoring the context and meaning of a single sentence Joe. You should consider a second career in politics.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

On 2/22/2024 at 1:52 PM, gowlerk said:

They will be in favour of anyone who proposes increasing their power. 

But they shouldn't be because: "They are our paid employees who are tasked with our safety not using their given powers to advance themselves at the expense of their employers. They are in fact a very unique group of people whose misdeeds absolutely fall into the "thats surely worse" category when they violate our trust. It shouldn't take a second to identify other such groups."

 

[wmw999 2,122]

Personally, I think you're both right. Because their organization is just as Joe said, but as human beings they're self-preserving. 

Which means they need to be paid enough to have enough training to overcome those natural human tendencies to 'other' the outsiders, or have enough variety within each police department to view everyone in or visiting their community as due the same rights and consideration. 

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 2,299]

22 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Personally, I think you're both right. Because their organization is just as Joe said, but as human beings they're self-preserving. 

Which means they need to be paid enough to have enough training to overcome those natural human tendencies to 'other' the outsiders, or have enough variety within each police department to view everyone in or visiting their community as due the same rights and consideration. 

Wendy P. 

Okay. But that means, of course, they are not “just the same as any other group of people.” 

[gowlerk 1,913]

8 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Okay. But that means, of course, they are not “just the same as any other group of people.” 

Back to context Joe. They are just people in more ways than not. They aren't aliens. Skydivers and police officers have more in common than not. But back to the subject at hand. The FOP have a posistion that the rioters need to be prosecuted. They endorsed Trump in 2020 based on his policies which as I said are to give police more slack to do whatever they want. And that is why they don't seem to care as much about what the rioters did to their members as you think they should. And don't forget that there were several LOs on that day who were not innocent of turning a blind eye. Cops tend to be on the right wing of society and it is in no way surprising that they tend to support Trump over nearly any Democrat. 

[SkyDekker 1,123]

On 2/22/2024 at 8:40 AM, JoeWeber said:

When the armed authorities, who are empowered to arrest, detain, and if it's not too inconvenient kill you, are in lockstep support of authoritarian leadership in a country I'm saying that country is failing.

Agreed.

 

On the other side it is also weird that those who are not allowed to own firearms in their private life are allowed to become police officers and then use firearms while on duty....

America is a weird place.

[wmw999 2,122]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Agreed.

 

On the other side it is also weird that those who are not allowed to own firearms in their private life are allowed to become police officers and then use firearms while on duty....

America is a weird place.

Or when people deemed unsuitable candidates for the police, especially if it's not a physical reason, are allowed to buy as many guns as they want

Wendy P. 

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On 2/22/2024 at 11:23 AM, wmw999 said:

Not to failed state yet, but I think the thin blue line is strong here; it's just that the non-MAGA-heads are seen as being outside that line by too many people here.

All this deliberate division of people is so damaging.

Wendy P.

Nothing brings folks together like calling half of the country far-right MAGA extremists and blaming them for all of the country’s problems 

[JoeWeber 2,299]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Nothing brings folks together like calling half of the country far-right MAGA extremists and blaming them for all of the country’s problems 

Not half of the country or even half of those who identify and Republican or conservative. More like a third of Republicans and 10-15% of America. It just seems more since they were given a social club and a uniform.

[jakee 1,255]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Nothing brings folks together like calling half of the country far-right MAGA extremists and blaming them for all of the country’s problems 

As Joe says, it’s nowhere near half - but the number there are have very effectively taken over the party structure that is supposed to be representing the half that they are part of. 
 

So when you have the hugely disproportionate control over policy from a group of people so extreme it’s and divisive that they call Liz Fucking Cheney part of the liberal machine, what are you supposed to do? Not call it out, and just let them get in with it because making waves is bad?

[SkyDekker 1,123]

18 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Or when people deemed unsuitable candidates for the police, especially if it's not a physical reason, are allowed to buy as many guns as they want

Wendy P. 

Nope, not quite the same. I wouldn't want a bigot to be a cop, but see no reason to prevent a bigot from owning a firearm.

 

But non-American citizens who are not allowed to own firearms becoming cops and then being allowed to carry a firearm during work is pretty damn bizarre.

Edited March 1 by SkyDekker

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On 2/29/2024 at 9:53 AM, gowlerk said:

... And don't forget that there were several LOs on that day who were not innocent of turning a blind eye. Cops tend to be on the right wing of society and it is in no way surprising that they tend to support Trump over nearly any Democrat. 

While I don't think it represents the majority, there are a LOT of cops who are Trumpettes, and authoritarian bullies.

Don't forget that Kyle Rittenhouse, after killing 2 people and severely wounding another, walked up to the cops while holding a loaded rifle. 
They told him to go home.

OTOH, the guy who shot & killed a Trumpette at a protest, in what could well have been legitimate self defense, was shot and killed 'resisting arrest while armed', yet a weapon wan't found.

And don't forget about the Biden bus that the Trumpanzee assholes tried to run off the road in Texas. The people on the bus called the cops, but they 'couldn't be bothered' to respond.