kallend 1,623 #51 April 14, 2022 When you have to lie to make your troll, your troll really isn't a very good one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #52 April 15, 2022 4 hours ago, kallend said: When you have to lie to make your troll, your troll really isn't a very good one. How about this? https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-4-13-is-there-anyone-taking-this-green-energy-transition-thing-seriously “Although President Biden has supposedly committed the entire federal bureaucracy to the “net zero” by 2050 transition, the EIA projects steady and even increasing fossil fuel usage in the U.S. through the entire 28 intervening years.” As I have said…GND = magical thinking Wasn’t it you who defined troll as someone who promulgates a notion against all evidence to the contrary? BTW, NOAA just confirmed the pause has continued for yet another month despite records of both emissions and atmospheric levels of CO2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #53 April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: How about this? https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2022-4-13-is-there-anyone-taking-this-green-energy-transition-thing-seriously “Although President Biden has supposedly committed the entire federal bureaucracy to the “net zero” by 2050 transition, the EIA projects steady and even increasing fossil fuel usage in the U.S. through the entire 28 intervening years.” As I have said…GND = magical thinking Wasn’t it you who defined troll as someone who promulgates a notion against all evidence to the contrary? BTW, NOAA just confirmed the pause has continued for yet another month despite records of both emissions and atmospheric levels of CO2. How about this instead: remove the tip of your tail from your mouth, replace it with your thumb, type that you're sorry for posting smack you haven't read or thought through, disconnect your router and get some sleep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #54 April 15, 2022 7 hours ago, kallend said: When you have to lie to make your troll, your troll really isn't a very good one. Without lies, how will he get any angry responses? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #55 April 15, 2022 6 hours ago, billvon said: Without lies, how will he get any angry responses? Let’s be honest, it is the truth that pisses you off. An incorrect meme gets ripped to shreds in a few hours. Temperature and weather data from NOAA…not so much. Here is some more reality you can chew on. https://www.rechargenews.com/wind/were-all-in-trouble-wind-turbine-makers-selling-at-a-loss-and-in-a-self-destructive-loop-bosses-admit/2-1-1197217 “Raw material and logistics inflation coupled with downward price pressures from auctions have led to an unsustainable situation where wind OEMs are selling at a loss, with the sector unable to deliver Europe's planned tripling of wind capacity by 2030, industry leaders have warned…Right now, different suppliers within the industry are reducing their footprint, they are reducing jobs in Europe,” she explained.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #56 April 15, 2022 Sometimes it’s not the data itself, it’s the manner in which it’s used. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #57 April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Let’s be honest, it is the truth that pisses you off. An incorrect meme gets ripped to shreds in a few hours. Temperature and weather data from NOAA…not so much. Here is some more reality you can chew on. https://www.rechargenews.com/wind/were-all-in-trouble-wind-turbine-makers-selling-at-a-loss-and-in-a-self-destructive-loop-bosses-admit/2-1-1197217 “Raw material and logistics inflation coupled with downward price pressures from auctions have led to an unsustainable situation where wind OEMs are selling at a loss, with the sector unable to deliver Europe's planned tripling of wind capacity by 2030, industry leaders have warned…Right now, different suppliers within the industry are reducing their footprint, they are reducing jobs in Europe,” she explained.” That's unsustainable. Maybe if, for reasons not yet apparent, Europe decided to back away from Russian Oil and Gas the market might firm a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #58 April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, wmw999 said: Sometimes it’s not the data itself, it’s the manner in which it’s used. Wendy P. Data is agnostic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #59 April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Data is agnostic But how it's arranged and used isn't. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #60 April 15, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 4:27 PM, brenthutch said: I understand renewables will not overtake fossil fuels Once again, Brent shows that he doesn't understand the simple concepts of finite vs infinite. It's embarrassing - This is something my 5 year old gets. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #61 April 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, yoink said: Once again, Brent shows that he doesn't understand the simple concepts of finite vs infinite. It's embarrassing - This is something my 5 year old gets. You are very clever, I should have qualified that claim with “not in our lifetime” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #62 April 15, 2022 Data are plural. Datum is singular. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #63 April 15, 2022 5 hours ago, brenthutch said: Let’s be honest Now THAT is funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 421 #64 April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: I should have qualified that claim with “not in my lifetime” Speak for yourself FIFY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #65 April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, olofscience said: Speak for yourself FIFY. You must be as young as you act. Even then the trend is not your friend. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50978 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #66 April 15, 2022 On 4/14/2022 at 7:13 AM, brenthutch said: Sometimes "green washing" is about burning the same amount of fossil fuel, but in some one elses' valley. For example, we see smog over Vancouver every summer. Most of that smog is created by automobiles burning fossil fuels. Electric cars help displace that smog to some other valley .. perhaps in the Himalayas where Chinese miners get much of their lithium. Who knows how "clean" Chinese mining practices are???????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #67 April 15, 2022 6 hours ago, yoink said: Once again, Brent shows that he doesn't understand the simple concepts of finite vs infinite. It's embarrassing - This is something my 5 year old gets. Even my cat gets it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #68 April 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, riggerrob said: Sometimes "green washing" is about burning the same amount of fossil fuel, but in some one elses' valley. For example, we see smog over Vancouver every summer. Most of that smog is created by automobiles burning fossil fuels. Electric cars help displace that smog to some other valley .. perhaps in the Himalayas where Chinese miners get much of their lithium. Who knows how "clean" Chinese mining practices are???????? Absolutely! However bad things are, trying to do anything about it will only make it worse. Best to give up and just suck up all that smoggy air. Maybe we'll get lucky and died of lead in the water before the ozone burns away our lungs. Ha! Ha! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #69 April 15, 2022 8 hours ago, brenthutch said: Data is agnostic Data, except in Star Trek, is not an animated being. Wherever you went to school we need to go and get your money back. And, after a few questions, we might also need to beat their asses. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 421 #70 April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: You must be as young as you act. I think that correlation has been broken since 2016. Try again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #71 April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, riggerrob said: perhaps in the Himalayas where Chinese miners get much of their lithium. Who knows how "clean" Chinese mining practices are???????? We get our lithium from Australia and Bolivia. China is a distant third. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #72 April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, olofscience said: I think that correlation has been broken since 2016. Try again Would that be when you said EVs would overtake IC vehicles in four years (now three years) or when you said China had to build more coal plants because wind and solar were more scalable and economical. Speaking of that, why doesn’t Europe just build more wind and solar and cut out Russia from the European energy market. It seems so easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #73 April 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Speaking of that, why doesn’t Europe just build more wind and solar and cut out Russia from the European energy market. It seems so easy. ?? They are. Europe installed 17.4GW of wind in 2021 and 26 gigawatts of solar in 2021. That's the equivalent of 15 large natural gas power plants. In one year. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #74 April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, billvon said: ?? They are. Europe installed 17.4GW of wind in 2021 and 26 gigawatts of solar in 2021. That's the equivalent of 15 large natural gas power plants. In one year. Then why does Putin still have them by the balls? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #75 April 16, 2022 From “keep it in the ground” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/climate/carbon-biden-drilling-climate.html To drill baby drill https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-administration-resume-leasing-oil-gas-drilling-federal-lands-rcna24646 Why? Because of this little guy! https://tenor.com/view/my-name-is-reality-reality-south-park-s19e5-safe-space-gif-20528445 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites