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I have resigned myself to the fact that I may not be jumping anymore this year.

Even if/when anti-C19 measures are relaxed at the appropriate time it may be not such a good idea to immediately cram yourself into an airplane with 18 others. Especially with people willing to travel from all over the area. Are you certain you or one of the others on that load are not infected?

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5 hours ago, Baksteen said:

I have resigned myself to the fact that I may not be jumping anymore this year.

Even if/when anti-C19 measures are relaxed at the appropriate time it may be not such a good idea to immediately cram yourself into an airplane with 18 others. Especially with people willing to travel from all over the area. Are you certain you or one of the others on that load are not infected?

What you said is accurate, but at this point people are starting to not care. I've seen so many people complain about how the shutdown is worse than the virus and reopening worth the risk (which I'd disagree with). We havent even really been at this shutdown that long and people are getting tired of it. I suspect once DZs start to reopen people will be jumping at them even if it's not smart to do so.

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My 8, The City of Vancouver announced that they are no longer laying off 17,000 transit workers. Last month bus stops and Skytrain stations were ghost-towns, but ridership resumed in early May. Skytrains were only running two cars per train (versus the usual 4) and reduced schedules.

By the second week of May, buses were starting to skip stops in an effort to maintain social distance.

This week (11 May) transit is resuming many canceled buses, but drivers and dispatchers are confused.

The Province of B.C. is hoping for a gradual, phased return to normal by the end of May. How fast the province re-opens depends upon the numbers of COVID-19 patients reporting to hospitals.

I doubt if we will ever return to the old "normal." Last year we snickered at overly-cautious Chinese immigrants wearing masks in public. Masks are likely to remain fashionable until sheeple forget about COVID-19. Jump suit manufacturer "Vertical" has already introduced a new line of PPE masks.

I fear that far too many mom-and-pop retail stores will close permanently. We also fear that too many single-Cessna DZs will close forever. That means longer driving times for those of us still jumping.

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3 hours ago, riggerrob said:

We also fear that too many single-Cessna DZs will close forever. 

Why? They have far fewer bills than the big turbine DZs do. Monthly payments on a 182 arnt that bad. Monthly payments on two Otters, two Caravans, a hanger for all of them, insurance for them and all the other fees that come with that... not so cheap. Small DZs have less capital, but also far fewer bills.

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14 hours ago, 20kN said:

Why? They have far fewer bills than the big turbine DZs do. Monthly payments on a 182 arnt that bad. Monthly payments on two Otters, two Caravans, a hanger for all of them, insurance for them and all the other fees that come with that... not so cheap. Small DZs have less capital, but also far fewer bills.

try to avoid those bills for a few months and see what the creditors say.  they aren't in the habit of forgiving loans and keeping the lights on if they don't get money for it.  even after social distancing is over, how many tandems will decide it's worth the risk?  and how many fun jumpers will avoid jumping for a while after it stops to see how it goes before jumping again?  they may have fewer bills, but they also have less opportunity to collect the money.  a 182 can get two tandems per load, one if they want outside video, maybe two (our dz takes four passengers, not five like i've heard some take).   that being said, you are mostly correct, you just forgot that even though the bills are much less, being shut for a few months hurts pretty bad since there is nothing coming in and the bills are still there.

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9 hours ago, sfzombie13 said:

try to avoid those bills for a few months and see what the creditors say.  they aren't in the habit of forgiving loans and keeping the lights on if they don't get money for it.  even after social distancing is over, how many tandems will decide it's worth the risk?  and how many fun jumpers will avoid jumping for a while after it stops to see how it goes before jumping again?  they may have fewer bills, but they also have less opportunity to collect the money.  a 182 can get two tandems per load, one if they want outside video, maybe two (our dz takes four passengers, not five like i've heard some take).   that being said, you are mostly correct, you just forgot that even though the bills are much less, being shut for a few months hurts pretty bad since there is nothing coming in and the bills are still there.

Yes but how is any of what you said different at a big DZ? A big DZ going months with no income and $50,000+ per month in bills is an issue too. 

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14 hours ago, 20kN said:

Yes but how is any of what you said different at a big DZ? A big DZ going months with no income and $50,000+ per month in bills is an issue too. 

It's just really bad for everybody. Bigger DZ's might have bigger reserves to draw on and larger customer pools to pull from when they reopen, but you're exactly right - they also have higher overhead. The skydiving landscape is definitely going to change after this season. It would be interesting to watch as an outsider, but as one who works in the industry and has many, many friends who are being very negatively affected, it's worrying.

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14 hours ago, 20kN said:

Yes but how is any of what you said different at a big DZ? A big DZ going months with no income and $50,000+ per month in bills is an issue too. 

you are correct, they are both in need during times like this, it just appeared you were minimizing the overhead of the smaller dz and not taking into account the lower income.  as i think about it, it might be a good idea to compare the two somehow, like getting a sort of estimation of revenue for different size dz's.  it would be a good thing to have for anyone considering starting one or for jumpers to look at to get an appreciation of the actual costs involved.  one thing is for sure, it ain't gonna be the same, much like after 9/11. 

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I got to make 2 jumps yesterday at Pepperell, Ma. 3 jumpers in a 20 seat caravan, and they were still militant about face masks and distancing. I won’t be back anytime soon. 
   I am SO SICK AND TIRED of these governors unlawful decrees.  Any business that is willing to fight for their rights will get my support. Others, not so much.

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On 5/27/2020 at 2:59 PM, skydave114 said:

I am SO SICK AND TIRED of these governors unlawful decrees.  Any business that is willing to fight for their rights will get my support.

 

 

On 5/27/2020 at 2:59 PM, skydave114 said:

I won’t be back anytime soon.

I am sure you will be greatly missed.

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On 5/27/2020 at 3:59 PM, skydave114 said:


   I am SO SICK AND TIRED of these governors unlawful decrees. 

They are not unlawful. Just because you dont agree doesent make it illegal. You dont decide what's legal and what is not. Judges make that decision and they have decided it's legal. The interest of national security trumps whatever fake self-proclaimed rights that you think you have.

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Legislators make laws, not governors or judges. At least that’s the way it’s supposed to work in the USA. A Judge in Illinois recently ruled that their state shutdown is unlawful. He only applied it to a single plaintiff, unfortunately.

    Try reading the first amendment to the constitution. We have the right to peaceably assemble. There are no exceptions.

to get back on topic, is anyplace else open?

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