billvon 2,400 #251 February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, airdvr said: Well said komrade kallend. But it is our business. People have a right to know how the candidates are chosen. I can see by many here the left isn't interested in getting the candidate that is best for the country, merely the candidate that can unseat Trump. That IS the candidate that is best for the country. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #252 February 18, 2020 Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #253 February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, airdvr said: Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man. Along with at least 200,000,000 other Americans. Judging by the orange one's approval ratings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #254 February 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, airdvr said: Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man. And the opinion of most Americans. Although I hear he is doing very well in the white supremacist and men's-rights demographics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #255 February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, airdvr said: getting the candidate that is best for the country, merely the candidate that can unseat Trump. Hi airdvr, One & the same, in my book. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #256 February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, airdvr said: I can see by many here the left isn't interested in getting the candidate that is best for the country, merely the candidate that can unseat Trump. BTW...keep looking. To a decent number of people, the best thing for the country is to get rid of Trump. Not because he’s a conservative, but because he’s a manipulative short-term thinker who thinks his ass is the best place to pull all ideas from, and that his position as president is an opportunity to reward agreement and punish disagreement Yes, he cut taxes, providing some short-term gain for some of his supporters, and structured in such a way that as many of the “liberal states” as possible would not benefit. But at a cost to the nation in the form of a deficit that keeps increasing. I wouldn’t vote for someone who promised to double down on Trumpism as the alternative. But Skippy the Wonder Dog is lookin’ kind of good Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #257 February 19, 2020 To add on, to me this abuse of personal power (as I see it) is exactly what Joe Everyman wishes he or she could do to their boss when they’re feeling (or being) put upon. Everyone has petty small-minded thoughts sometimes. Trump embodies them; that’s not a good thing in the long run. Grownups should use their words Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #258 February 19, 2020 13 hours ago, airdvr said: Yeah well, that's just like your opinion man. I ask seriously, and not only of you but of any of the hard right leaners here, is there anything Trump is actually doing now that would cause you to say enough and vote for a centrist Democrat? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #259 February 19, 2020 MSNBC in full meltdown mode, as Bernie's numbers continue to rise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #260 February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: MSNBC in full meltdown mode, as Bernie's numbers continue to rise. This should be fun. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/fox-has-been-more-fair-why-bernies-team-has-had-it-with-msnbc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #261 February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, JoeWeber said: I ask seriously, and not only of you but of any of the hard right leaners here, is there anything Trump is actually doing now that would cause you to say enough and vote for a centrist Democrat? The left here doesn't get what the impeachment actually accomplished. Trump would have been a one termer for sure if you had just let him tweet himself to death. Instead you made him look like a victim to his supporters. That's the kind of political currency you can't buy. I would love to vote for someone other than Trump if you'll put up a candidate that I think I could support. Bloomberg isn't the guy. The progressive shit he did while he was mayor was just stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #262 February 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, airdvr said: The left here doesn't get what the impeachment actually accomplished. Trump would have been a one termer for sure if you had just let him tweet himself to death. Instead you made him look like a victim to his supporters. That's the kind of political currency you can't buy. I would love to vote for someone other than Trump if you'll put up a candidate that I think I could support. Bloomberg isn't the guy. The progressive shit he did while he was mayor was just stupid. That's all speculation and supposition. Putting aside whether the local left gets the consequences of impeachment, my question was to you: is there anything Trump is actually doing now that would cause you to say enough and vote for a centrist Democrat? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #263 February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: That's all speculation and supposition. Putting aside whether the local left gets the consequences of impeachment, my question was to you: is there anything Trump is actually doing now that would cause you to say enough and vote for a centrist Democrat? No. We got into this mess by being more concerned with winning than what's good for the country. I won't throw out the proverbial baby and the bathwater until you guys put up someone who will do better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #264 February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, airdvr said: No. We got into this mess by being more concerned with winning than what's good for the country. I won't throw out the proverbial baby and the bathwater until you guys put up someone who will do better. Thank you. Please explain what you mean by this: " We got into this mess by being more concerned with winning than what's good for the country." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #265 February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, airdvr said: No. We got into this mess by being more concerned with winning than what's good for the country. I won't throw out the proverbial baby and the bathwater until you guys put up someone who will do better. I'm curious as to whom is thought to be "Hard Right". I think Joe should post a list, so that those on the the list can have an opportunity to respond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #266 February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, JoeWeber said: Thank you. Please explain what you mean by this: " We got into this mess by being more concerned with winning than what's good for the country." You could have had Bernie but the DNC wanted HRC because they thought she had a better chance at winning. Then there was the whole meeting on the tarmac thing. The left would have gone for Bernie and more intelligent right voters I think would have as well. In order to hear Bermie's message you have to pay attention...something I admit the right has trouble doing. Now you're doing it again with Bloomberg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #267 February 19, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, airdvr said: You could have had Bernie but the DNC wanted HRC because they thought she had a better chance at winning. Then there was the whole meeting on the tarmac thing. The left would have gone for Bernie and more intelligent right voters I think would have as well. In order to hear Bermie's message you have to pay attention...something I admit the right has trouble doing. Now you're doing it again with Bloomberg. FWIW, I do appreciate your response. I don't disagree that the left can be tone deaf at times. But it was what matters most to you that drives my curiosity today. It seems to me that your main, if not sole, focus, are the transient economic benefits of a Trump Presidency. In exchange, you'll gladly accept the diminution of rights of certain fellow Americans, a deconstruction of historic constitutional separation of powers, oversight and checks and balances and reduced prestige on the world stage. Further you willingly accept foreign interference in our elections and a President who uses his powers for personal gain. All things we on the left find quite strange and none of which seem to be a passing bother to the right. At the bare minimum I would expect any patriotic American to be willing to endure sacrifice to protect our country from foreign attack. But, apparently, the money comes first these day's. Thank you for the reply. Edited February 19, 2020 by JoeWeber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #268 February 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, airdvr said: You could have had Bernie but the DNC wanted HRC because they thought she had a better chance at winning. Then there was the whole meeting on the tarmac thing. The left would have gone for Bernie and more intelligent right voters I think would have as well. In order to hear Bernie's message you have to pay attention...something I admit the right has trouble doing. Now you're doing it again with Bloomberg. The Stigma of "Socialist" is what I think scared the DNC off of Bernie the most. Well, and the fact that the Clinton's have so many favors owed to them, the DNC had to cave. What was left is the shit sammich we have now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #269 February 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: At the bare minimum I would expect any patriotic American to be willing to endure sacrifice to protect our country from foreign attack. But, apparently, the money comes first these day's. Thank you for the reply. These days? Ever since Reagan cut taxes for the wealthy and consequently tripled the national debt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #270 February 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, kallend said: These days? Ever since Reagan cut taxes for the wealthy and consequently tripled the national debt. Sure. The left is perfectly open about which future things we'll take instead of some more money today, not so the right. They scream patriotism and USA! and angrily argue they aren't homophobic, misogynistic, racist or selfish all while turning a blind eye to the consequences of Trumpism. They're laughing at us all the way to the bank, I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #271 February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, airdvr said: You could have had Bernie but the DNC wanted HRC because they thought she had a better chance at winning. Then there was the whole meeting on the tarmac thing. The left would have gone for Bernie... Would have gone for Bernie if what? Clinton got millions more votes than Bernie. If it had been the Presidential race it'd have been called a landslide. You can't explain that away by DNC favouritism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #272 February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, airdvr said: Now you're doing it again with Bloomberg. Except that he's a better candidate. Better track record, better ideas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #273 February 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, billvon said: Except that he's a better candidate. Better track record, better ideas. I think you need to do a bit of research into his policies in NYC and how that has left the city. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #274 February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, jakee said: Would have gone for Bernie if what? Clinton got millions more votes than Bernie. If it had been the Presidential race it'd have been called a landslide. You can't explain that away by DNC favouritism. Do you think that the DNC falling in behind her had anything to do with the vote count?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #275 February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: Do you think that the DNC falling in behind her had anything to do with the vote count?? I think so but it's a tough call. Initially I thought it was ET controlling the electronic voting machines. For certain it's only those two possibilities, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites