What can they be hiding?

[kallend 1,644]

www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/us/politics/stormy-daniels-trump.html

President Trump’s lawyer secretly obtained a temporary restraining order last week to prevent a pornographic film star from speaking out about her alleged affair with Mr. Trump, according to legal documents and interviews.

"It is almost always the cover-up rather than the event that causes trouble." Howard Baker

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[ryoder 1,397]

Here is an interesting analysis of the original legal agreement with Stormy Daniels, in a string of 40+ tweets. The author is an attorney:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/971409119981776906

The whole "contract" sounds like it was built on a foundation of sand.

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[billvon 2,426]

>President Trump’s lawyer secretly obtained a temporary restraining order last week
>to prevent a pornographic film star from speaking out about her alleged affair with Mr.
>Trump, according to legal documents and interviews.

That's the affair he didn't have. He paid her $130,000 to not have it. Or rather his lawyer did; it had nothing to do with Trump. It must have been some other guy named Trump. Or David Dennison in this case. But Trump wants her to not talk about it, and will sue if she does! Because reasons.

[kallend 1,644]

billvon

>President Trump’s lawyer secretly obtained a temporary restraining order last week
>to prevent a pornographic film star from speaking out about her alleged affair with Mr.
>Trump, according to legal documents and interviews.

That's the affair he didn't have. He paid her $130,000 to not have it. Or rather his lawyer did; it had nothing to do with Trump. It must have been some other guy named Trump. Or David Dennison in this case. But Trump wants her to not talk about it, and will sue if she does! Because reasons.

Your Marc Rush imitation needs work. The spelling and grammar are too good.

Where is Marc anyway? I need a good laugh.

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[jakee 1,257]

ryoder

Here is an interesting analysis of the original legal agreement with Stormy Daniels, in a string of 40+ tweets. The author is an attorney:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/971409119981776906

The whole "contract" sounds like it was built on a foundation of sand.

I especially like the bit about Cohen facing disbarment if he claims Trump didn't know about the contract

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[Phil1111 913]

jakee

***Here is an interesting analysis of the original legal agreement with Stormy Daniels, in a string of 40+ tweets. The author is an attorney:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/971409119981776906

The whole "contract" sounds like it was built on a foundation of sand.

I especially like the bit about Cohen facing disbarment if he claims Trump didn't know about the contract

In order to be disbarred a lawyer must be witnessed of child molestation, homicide and treason all on the same occasion.

[gowlerk 1,923]

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In order to be disbarred a lawyer must be witnessed of child molestation, homicide and treason all on the same occasion.

Or stealing from a more senior lawyer.

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[Phil1111 913]

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In order to be disbarred a lawyer must be witnessed of child molestation, homicide and treason all on the same occasion.

Or stealing from a more senior lawyer.

That would be a new one. When lawyers can steal from clients with impunity why steal from another lawyer? Likely they would just laugh it off. When there are so many clients to steal from why get sidetracked with distraction?

When layers get caught stealing from clients, trust accounts, etc. It typically gets sent off to Law Society disciplinary committees. So a half dozen lawyers sit around a table drinking expensive whiskies all at the expense of sheepish lawyer who was caught.

Elaborate stories are concocted, marital problems, gambling addiction, alcoholism,etc. The lawyer is punished by having to repay the stolen funds!! Then he has to repay the law society's disciplinary commentates investigation expenses, i.e. liquor bills.

Obviously rehab is needed so the victim, er lawyer gets a 10-20 day suspension of practice. Which coincides with rehab in the Cayman islands. Which coincidentally allows him to check his offshore bank accounts and offshore corporations.

When the rehabilitated and now tanned lawyer returns to "practice". The senior partner gives him a bootleg copy of the latest billing software for tracking billable hours. One that automatically adds .25 of an hour, to every hour billed for coffee, bathroom breaks. One that adds .25 of an hour of billable time for each photocopy made. For travel expenses!

Now if its a black man, a native Indian,etc. Its off to prison for them. The prosecutors office obviously can't be bothered tying up valuable court time with prosecuting lawyers when 10 grams of weed needs punishment.

[ryoder 1,397]

Another attorney picks apart the agreement (that may or may not have happened):
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/the-stormy-daniels-lawsuit-is-convoluted-to-the-point-of-paradox.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[wolfriverjoe 1,351]

Phil1111

...When layers get caught stealing from clients, trust accounts, etc. It typically gets sent off to Law Society disciplinary committees. So a half dozen lawyers sit around a table drinking expensive whiskies all at the expense of sheepish lawyer who was caught.

Elaborate stories are concocted, marital problems, gambling addiction, alcoholism,etc. The lawyer is punished by having to repay the stolen funds!! Then he has to repay the law society's disciplinary commentates investigation expenses, i.e. liquor bills.

Obviously rehab is needed so the victim, er lawyer gets a 10-20 day suspension of practice. Which coincides with rehab in the Cayman islands. Which coincidentally allows him to check his offshore bank accounts and offshore corporations.

When the rehabilitated and now tanned lawyer returns to "practice". The senior partner gives him a bootleg copy of the latest billing software for tracking billable hours. One that automatically adds .25 of an hour, to every hour billed for coffee, bathroom breaks. One that adds .25 of an hour of billable time for each photocopy made. For travel expenses!

Now if its a black man, a native Indian,etc. Its off to prison for them. The prosecutors office obviously can't be bothered tying up valuable court time with prosecuting lawyers when 10 grams of weed needs punishment.

Not entirely true. A friend of my dad was a lawyer who was convicted of embezzlement.

I don't know all of the details (neither did my dad), but a bunch of money disappeared from an estate and the lawyer spent a few years in prison (white guy, too).

But, all too often, your description is how it goes.

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[kallend 1,644]

My step-son-in-law (husband of my step daughter) dated Stephanie in high school in Baton Rouge.

That, apparently, was before she discovered her salable assets (according to him).

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[billvon 2,426]

He makes a good point.

Even a contract that isn't signed can be enforced if both parties ACT as if it it's in place. In other words, even if a car dealer forgets to sign a bill of sale, as long as everything else happens (i.e. you pay, they cash the check, you get the car, you drive it) the sale is enforceable and they can't repossess the car - and you can't just refuse payment on the check and keep the car because there's no signature.

However, if that never happens (i.e. you pay but don't pick up the car and say "I never even SAW the car, and they cashed my check!") then it's generally unenforceable, and the lack of signatures just reinforce that.

In this case, if Daniels deposits the check and both sides act as if it's in place (i.e. she doesn't talk about it, Trump affirms it's something neither one will talk about) then it's legally in place even without his signature. But if he denies any knowledge of the agreement, AND he hasn't signed it, then it's invalid - because one party is claiming no knowledge of the agreement.

[kallend 1,644]

billvon

He makes a good point.

Even a contract that isn't signed can be enforced if both parties ACT as if it it's in place. In other words, even if a car dealer forgets to sign a bill of sale, as long as everything else happens (i.e. you pay, they cash the check, you get the car, you drive it) the sale is enforceable and they can't repossess the car - and you can't just refuse payment on the check and keep the car because there's no signature.

However, if that never happens (i.e. you pay but don't pick up the car and say "I never even SAW the car, and they cashed my check!") then it's generally unenforceable, and the lack of signatures just reinforce that.

In this case, if Daniels deposits the check and both sides act as if it's in place (i.e. she doesn't talk about it, Trump affirms it's something neither one will talk about) then it's legally in place even without his signature. But if he denies any knowledge of the agreement, AND he hasn't signed it, then it's invalid - because one party is claiming no knowledge of the agreement.

Seems a bit like a knight fork.

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[jakee 1,257]

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But if he denies any knowledge of the agreement, AND he hasn't signed it, then it's invalid - because one party is claiming no knowledge of the agreement.

That's the best bit, isn't it? It's like an ongoing test to see if Trump has any self control whatsoever. You just know that he's dying to unleash a tweetstorm about how it's all a fake media conspiracy and he's never even met a lawyer named Michael Cohen, let alone a porn star called Stormy Daniels

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[gowlerk 1,923]

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That's the best bit, isn't it? It's like an ongoing test to see if Trump has any self control whatsoever. You just know that he's dying to unleash a tweetstorm about how it's all a fake media conspiracy and he's never even met a lawyer named Michael Cohen, let alone a porn star called Stormy Daniels Laugh

More than likely what his instincts really tell him is to brag about his porn star liaison. That would be more his style. Being POTUS is cramping him big time!

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You just know that he's dying to unleash a tweetstorm about how it's all a fake media conspiracy and he's never even met a lawyer named Michael Cohen, let alone a porn star called Stormy Daniels.

Yep. Which is one reason he's so mad at Sarah Huckabee. At a recent presser a reporter asked about the Daniels case. Huckabee said “Look, the President has addressed these questions directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. This case has already been won in arbitration. And anything beyond that, I would refer you to the president’s outside counsel.”

Reporter then asked “You said that there’s arbitration that’s already been won — by whom and when?” She replied “By the president’s personal attorneys, and for details on that I’d refer you to them. I can share that the arbitration was won in the president’s favor.”

Thus confirming that the person listed as defendant in the original lawsuit (identified as David Dennison) is actually Trump.

So we now have confirmation that the money was paid by Trump's lawyer to Stormy Daniels to keep Daniels quiet about his affair with her.

[DJL 232]

In the end will anyone care about this? This is a guy who openly brags about sexually assaulting women and the evangelicals still have his back. Hell, everyone would be surprised if he WASN'T cheating on his wife by banging porn stars.

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[Phil1111 913]

Ah come-on if you pardon the pun. Even evangelicals are secretly cheering him on. He's doing stuff they only dream about when doing Evangelical business. Away from their wives, watching the pay channels at Motel 6.

[ryoder 1,397]

billvon

That's the affair he didn't have. He paid her $130,000 to not have it. Or rather his lawyer did; it had nothing to do with Trump. It must have been some other guy named Trump. Or David Dennison in this case. But Trump wants her to not talk about it, and will sue if she does! Because reasons.

Well, now we know Trump's porn name.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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DJL

In the end will anyone care about this?

Covering up an illegal campaign contribution could potentially be a big deal.

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[DJL 232]

jcd11235

***In the end will anyone care about this?

Covering up an illegal campaign contribution could potentially be a big deal.

Ah yes, there's that. But again, his last name isn't Clinton so it'll fall on deaf ears.

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[ryoder 1,397]

The entire text of the hush agreement is contained in the lawsuit as evidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/read-the-lawsuit-from-stormy-daniels-against-president-trump/2284/

The notarized page for signatures is 24 of the lawsuit, (page 14 of the hush agreement).
That sure as hell doesn't look like a valid contract to me.

Likewise the notarized signature page of the "side letter" that gives the true identities is on page 28, and is also missing the signature of one party.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 1,644]

Where's rushmc when we need him to explain this?

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[kallend 1,644]

ryoder

The entire text of the hush agreement is contained in the lawsuit as evidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/read-the-lawsuit-from-stormy-daniels-against-president-trump/2284/

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billvon

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Yep. Which is one reason he's so mad at Sarah Huckabee. At a recent presser a reporter asked about the Daniels case. Huckabee said “Look, the President has addressed these questions directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. This case has already been won in arbitration. And anything beyond that, I would refer you to the president’s outside counsel.”

Reporter then asked “You said that there’s arbitration that’s already been won — by whom and when?” She replied “By the president’s personal attorneys, and for details on that I’d refer you to them. I can share that the arbitration was won in the president’s favor.”

Thus confirming that the person listed as defendant in the original lawsuit (identified as David Dennison) is actually Trump.

Yep. It seems that the Mouth of Sauron slipped up badly there.

www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/09/592008811/white-house-acknowledges-trump-ties-to-stormy-legal-battle-over-alleged-affair

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