Phil1111 924 #101 March 10, 2018 rushmc Anytime you're in the mood for a bitch slapping please come back. I really enjoy it! Here, here, just for you Kevin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwfuUyTMpVY I recognize that the consequences of Mr. trump seizing guns, then going to court would upset his supporters. That it appears as if Mueller is now into the Erik Prince, Seychelles meeting. As such his report will likely coincide with midterms. That with this weeks new Florida laws, new midterm democrat representatives overseeing a Mueller report. This year may see the end of trump. But I digress. Gun owners should be able to control their emotions, be stable and slow to anger. Thats why concealed carry and road rage is a dangerous combination. I appreciate your illustrative example as to why unlimited second amendment rights can be dangerous. ....so....are...we still friends!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #102 March 11, 2018 And now the NRA are suing Florida for trying to enact some form of control. (How dare they??!) Among the reasons they cite is 'violating the constitutional rights of women (specifically) because they are less likely to commit violent acts with firearms'. The NRA really are scum, and I'm sorry, if you support them you're scum by association. There are right ways and wrong ways to defend constitutional rights - the NRA steps over those lines so often that it's crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #103 March 11, 2018 (and as a further note, doesn't having an age limit of any sort violate the constitutional rights of everyone?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #104 March 11, 2018 yoink And now the NRA are suing Florida for trying to enact some form of control. (How dare they??!) Among the reasons they cite is 'violating the constitutional rights of women (specifically) because they are less likely to commit violent acts with firearms'. The NRA really are scum, and I'm sorry, if you support them you're scum by association. There are right ways and wrong ways to defend constitutional rights - the NRA steps over those lines so often that it's crazy. There are plenty of folks who support the NRA and do not agree with every action they take. It is sad that you consider them/us all scum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #105 March 11, 2018 chutem ***And now the NRA are suing Florida for trying to enact some form of control. (How dare they??!) Among the reasons they cite is 'violating the constitutional rights of women (specifically) because they are less likely to commit violent acts with firearms'. The NRA really are scum, and I'm sorry, if you support them you're scum by association. There are right ways and wrong ways to defend constitutional rights - the NRA steps over those lines so often that it's crazy. There are plenty of folks who support the NRA and do not agree with every action they take. It is sad that you consider them/us all scum. If you support them by donating, using their services etc you support EVERTHING they do, whether you intend to or not. Unless I'm misunderstanding and the amount you pay by membership is determined by each specific action they take...? You don't get to give them everything they ask for then say 'but I don't support all of the stuff they say or do'. Yes. You do. By definition. Like I said, I'm not against the idea of defending the rights of citizens, but not the way they do it. If you disagree with actions they take then stop supporting them. What's sad is that you can deceive yourself into thinking that you can pick and choose how much you support the NRA. They are first and foremost a marketing company, not a civil rights one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #106 March 11, 2018 Yes, my money supports everything they do. That does not mean I agree with everything they do. If you are calling me and millions scum for this then Fuck You you self righteous ass. I guess in your world it is only acceptable to donate to organizations that you agree with 100% on everything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #107 March 11, 2018 chutemYes, my money supports everything they do. That does not mean I agree with everything they do. If you are calling me and millions scum for this then Fuck You you self righteous ass. I guess in your world it is only acceptable to donate to organizations that you agree with 100% on everything? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of donating to them but saying you don't support everything they do. You're lying to yourself - You ARE supporting everything they do. If I'm self-righteous then you're self-delusional. In my world by donating to an organization you are approving of every action they take because there is no way you have any control over them. If you don't like the risk of that association you shouldn't donate, or if an organization starts doing shit you don't approve of then you should stop donating. There's no bumper sticker that says 'Proud NRA Member (except in the case of x, y and z - in that case I'm totally against them!).' Maybe there should be... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #108 March 11, 2018 You win, one can never donate money to an organization they don't agree with 100% on everything. If being a member of the NRA makes me scum "in your world" then scum I am. I bet there is a lot of scum at the DZ you jump at, maybe next time your there you should explain to them what scum they are face to face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,450 #109 March 11, 2018 Your one warning for both of you. Enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #110 March 11, 2018 I'd be OK with that. If that's makes me a self-righteous asshole in your world, then I can live with that too. All I ask is that you're honest with yourself. If you're happy saying 'I support the NRA' then you don't get to say 'except in these cases'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #111 March 11, 2018 chutemYes, my money supports everything they do. That does not mean I agree with everything they do. If you are calling me and millions scum for this then Fuck You you self righteous ass. I guess in your world it is only acceptable to donate to organizations that you agree with 100% on everything? We live in an age where anyone who votes differently doesn't have a different opinion, they're stupid. Seeing anything with more than Yes or No Good Or Bad is a fading remnant of the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #112 March 11, 2018 yoink And now the NRA are suing Florida for trying to enact some form of control. (How dare they??!) Among the reasons they cite is 'violating the constitutional rights of women (specifically) because they are less likely to commit violent acts with firearms'. The NRA really are scum, and I'm sorry, if you support them you're scum by association. There are right ways and wrong ways to defend constitutional rights - the NRA steps over those lines so often that it's crazy. Actually those who espoused opinions like you did here are the real scum. But that's for another thread."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #113 March 11, 2018 yoinkI'd be OK with that. If that's makes me a self-righteous asshole in your world, then I can live with that too. All I ask is that you're honest with yourself. If you're happy saying 'I support the NRA' then you don't get to say 'except in these cases'. I am happy! And I am glad I don't live in the world you do!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #114 March 11, 2018 You need to understand that you calling me scum because I support the NRA is like the Medal of Honor. So, I thank you!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,450 #115 March 12, 2018 >. . .like you did here are the real scum. OK. Next poster on this thread who pulls this shit again is banned, no more warnings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 142 #116 March 12, 2018 QuoteThere are plenty of folks who support the NRA and do not agree with every action they take. It is sad that you consider them/us all scum. No one said scum, but yes, you are allowed to question peoples upholding of whatever beliefs when they seem to contradict other things they say or do. So while you disagree with some of the NRA decision and positions are you actually doing anything about it? Did you write letters or call them to object? Or are you happy with the rhetoric as long as you get what you need out of the organization - which is a fairly common flaw in humankind. Catholics that are still going to church when the organization allowed and condoned sexual assault on a grand scale for decades, if not centuries is one grand example. your position would be solidified if you also provided an example of something you personally did you demonstrate your objections to what the NRA does/did, otherwise, yes you are seen as a supporter, if not enabler of their more-shitty policies. And people will criticise you for that as hypocrisy and/or paradox Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #117 March 12, 2018 QuoteNo 0ne said scum, Well you say that...... QuoteThe NRA really are scum, and I'm sorry, if you support them you're scum by association. There are right ways and wrong ways to defend constitutional rights - the NRA steps over those lines so often that it's crazy. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,940 #118 April 20, 2018 What thread to put this amusing little tidbit in? Probably not this one. But what the hell, it involves an underage person shooting a parent. It's kind of ho hum because no one was killed. Just another day in the USA. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/us/toddler-accidentally-shoots-mom-trnd/index.htmlAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites