the 4th of July confession

[tkhayes 128]

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Edit to add- God and the US Constitution hold that all people are equal. Trump and MAGA hold that some people are vermin. As if somehow God made an error of some kind with them.

RonD will still justify his remarks with some passage from the bible where god says it is ok to hate people... he has done it many times before.

[billvon 2,404]

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The American fantasy is the greatest most magnificent national fantasy in the history of the world. What do you have to gain by seeking to destroy it?

A better grasp on reality?

Fantasies that make you feel better are great. Fantasies that cause you to make bad decisions, because you are basing your decisions on those fantasies rather than reality, can be very, very bad for you.

[billvon 2,404]

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***Ron, what do you see happening to the 65-75% of Americans who aren’t in tune with a Pentecostal-inspired takeover of the US government? Will you have to take their guns?

That sentiment absolutely boggles my mind.
Coming from a poster that thought Obama was a Kenyan Muslim socialist who was planted to take over the US government, grab your guns and set the stage for a Muslim invasion - that boggleation of yours is pretty funny.

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RMK

There's a good television series exploring this future dystopian America where the religious people are in charge …"The Handmaid's Tale"

Ironically, the author has been accused of not being "feminist enough." Ironic, but not the least bit surprising.

She committed the mortal sin of saying that assuming guilt by accusation was not a good idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/15/margaret-atwood-feminist-backlash-metoo

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billvon

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***Ron, what do you see happening to the 65-75% of Americans who aren’t in tune with a Pentecostal-inspired takeover of the US government? Will you have to take their guns?

That sentiment absolutely boggles my mind.

Coming from a poster that thought Obama was a Kenyan Muslim socialist who was planted to take over the US government, grab your guns and set the stage for a Muslim invasion - that boggleation of yours is pretty funny.

Given that Ron's statements are apparently not tethered to his beliefs examining them is a complete waste of time.

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airdvr

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As for the rest of you who live in the US and thumb your noses at the armed forces...you should be ashamed of yourselves. While you might not agree you should at least give props for the individuals who serve. I doubt any of you would make the kind of sacrifices they do.

Nobody is thumbing their noses at the armed forces.

Read the third post again.

Nope, he's just insulting RushMC. Yes, there are blind followers in the military but we need those people there too.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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tkhayes

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Edit to add- God and the US Constitution hold that all people are equal. Trump and MAGA hold that some people are vermin. As if somehow God made an error of some kind with them.

RonD will still justify his remarks with some passage from the bible where god says it is ok to hate people... he has done it many times before.

Show us all where he is done that please!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 128]

1) Well hard to find the exact thread, but years ago, we were discussing (i.e. I was asking about) killing people and killing them so willingly and how can you be a christian and still put your crosshairs on your enemy for example and justify executing someone.

RonD said something to the effect of "not only can I, but it is my comfort" when discussing how he could put crosshairs on someone and execute them. Indicating that his actions had the blessings of his savior and lord, his religion and his belief structure.

2) And then there was the time when RonD actually tried to rat me out as some sort of 'enemy of the state' to USSOCOM at MacDiall AFB because of my political posts on dz.com, in hopes to have them reconsider where they contracted for their parachute training ops, (at Skydive City/Z-Hills which I was operating as DZO)

That is direct 'hate' and he used his 'patriotism' and 'faith' as justification for his actions. A deliberate action in contrast to the 'jebus message' that he continuously conveys here and elsewhere.

So yes, I believe that RonD is in fact a hate-filled pretend faux-christian that uses religion to blanket a series of whacky belief structures. And yes I have examples of them.

Right after RonD sent his email(s), USSOCOM came to me with the emails saying "Who the fuck is this guy?" and I still have those email(s) somewhere.

As I expected, and have always experienced, those Special Operations folks are not actually twisted individuals with some fake patriotism and a bible in their hands pretending to be something.... they are true patriotic Americans that understand and welcome varying opinions, whether or not they agree with them.

And they see it as their constitutional duty to protect the country and therefore protect my right to say and express. They laughed openly about the emails actually. True soldiers, true countrymen, standing for the Constitution. That respect for the Constitution and their position in the military I am willing to bet, came from massively hard work and dedication to a greater cause.

Unlike RonD.... who i believe is filled with hatred and expressed it on several occasions. I will think of more examples as time goes on since I follow RonD and his twisted view of the world fairly regularly. I see his type as an enemy of all that is rational.

And while I agree and believe in his right to say anything he wants, I also believe in my right to call out bullshit for what it is, in response to your request for examples.

I hope that fulfills your request and needs.

[SkyDekker 1,129]

BIGUN

Probably be best if you stuck to Canadian history.

Yeah, or what?

Please do explain when exactly in the 20th century freedom in the US was threatened?

[SkyDekker 1,129]

DanG

All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

The US got involved because you got attacked. before that you had no problem profiting of the Nazi regime. You have had multiple president's whose family wealth came from Nazi collaboration.

You had no problem with jews getting gassed and exterminated by the millions. Your government was aware and chose not to get involved.

"We cared about humanity" is revisionist bullshit.

[jakee 1,257]

DanG

All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles

No-one said that.

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seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

Two problems with that. First is it's a retrospective justification. The human rights abuses of either regime had absolutely nothing to do with the entry of the US into the war. It's like when people tried to support GWB's decision making in the mid 2000's by saying how good it was for the Iraqis to be freed from Saddam and have the US rebuilding their infrastructure - when not only was removing Saddam for the good of the Iraqis never a stated reason for that war, "no nation building" was actually a promise of the administration.

Second is it's a very shaky standard to start applying to other scenarios around the world. There are a number of similar genocides and crimes against humanity that went relatively unchallenged, and haven't impacted the idea of humanity in the west at all.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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SkyDekker

***Probably be best if you stuck to Canadian history.

Yeah, or what?

Please do explain when exactly in the 20th century freedom in the US was threatened?

War of 1812 AKA the War of WAY Northern Aggression.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[grimmie 176]

emailing the military because of your posts on a skydiving website.

Classic.

[DanG 1]

I’ll ask you the same question kallend refused to answer. Can you bring yourself to admit the US has ever done anything good?

- Dan G

[billvon 2,404]

>emailing the military because of your posts on a skydiving website. Classic.

Sadly, Ron is not the first person to take out his anger on another poster by trying to get them fired.

[jakee 1,257]

DanG

I’ll ask you the same question kallend refused to answer. Can you bring yourself to admit the US has ever done anything good?

Yes, absolutely. Why wouldn't I?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Bob_Church 7]

billvon

>emailing the military because of your posts on a skydiving website. Classic.

Sadly, Ron is not the first person to take out his anger on another poster by trying to get them fired.

Seriously? I thought the guy who tattle tailed to moderators about the drug thread was pathetic but that's even worse.

[kallend 1,634]

airdvr

******All of you who think the US got involved in WWII for shits and giggles seem to forget about the concept of crimes against humanity. While the Germans and Japanese were not realistically threatening the US directly, they threatened the very idea of humanity. Fighting them was noble whether they were knocking on our door or not.

That was true from September 1939 until Dec 6, 1941 too. US sat on its collective thumbs until Dec. 1941.

Sorry Perfesser...the US was sending huge amounts of aid prior to December 6. We would have sent more sooner had Britain repaid what we gave her in WWI.

An enemy doesn't have to be on your doorstep to be a threat. There is much to be said for the deterrent effect of a large standing force.

As for the rest of you who live in the US and thumb your noses at the armed forces...you should be ashamed of yourselves. While you might not agree you should at least give props for the individuals who serve. I doubt any of you would make the kind of sacrifices they do.

Revisionist history! US aid started AFTER the Battle of Britain was already won and Ambassador Joe K. was proven wrong.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 1,634]

You make BOGUS claims and then question the attitude of those who debunk them. Lame in the extreme.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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DanG

I’ll ask you the same question kallend refused to answer. Can you bring yourself to admit the US has ever done anything good?

I don't think he was really saying we didn't do good but acknowledging that there were a lot of bodies in the ground before there was adequate political support for our total involvement. Yes, we did one of the greatest things in human history by taking down Hitler.

As an aside, this is a video I watch occasionally when I need a reminder of the death toll from WWII. https://vimeo.com/128373915

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[jakee 1,257]

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Yes, we did one of the greatest things in human history by taking down Hitler.

Yes, but Stalin gets equal credit for that and no-one would accuse him of doing it with good intentions.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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Yes, we did one of the greatest things in human history by taking down Hitler.

Yes, but Stalin gets equal credit for that and no-one would accuse him of doing it with good intentions.

Yeah, weird how we don't wave the flag much in regards to Stalin. I often wonder if part of why we delayed was to let Hitler take him down.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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billvon

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***Ron, what do you see happening to the 65-75% of Americans who aren’t in tune with a Pentecostal-inspired takeover of the US government? Will you have to take their guns?

That sentiment absolutely boggles my mind.

Coming from a poster that thought Obama was a Kenyan Muslim socialist who was planted to take over the US government, grab your guns and set the stage for a Muslim invasion - that boggleation of yours is pretty funny.

The difference is that with those people, Obama and Hillary, that agenda was on the planning table. It was real. Fortunately, we stopped it and are turning things around.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,404]

>The difference is that with those people, Obama and Hillary, that agenda was on the
>planning table. It was real.

So you think Obama was a secret Kenyan Muslim socialist, and he and Hillary Clinton were planning to take over the US Government for the Muslims and confiscate everyone's guns. You think that was real.

And yet your mind boggles that people might object to a religious takeover of the US government.

That there's some truly crazy straw thinking.

[RonD1120 58]

billvon

>The difference is that with those people, Obama and Hillary, that agenda was on the
>planning table. It was real.

So you think Obama was a secret Kenyan Muslim socialist, and he and Hillary Clinton were planning to take over the US Government for the Muslims and confiscate everyone's guns. You think that was real.

And yet your mind boggles that people might object to a religious takeover of the US government.

That there's some truly crazy straw thinking.

I believe that any religious takeover of our government is wrong and should be stopped, regardless of the brand.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.