yoink 321 #1 March 16, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39297439 Well there's a shocker... It won't matter to Trumps supporters that he has just been shown to have lied directly to them. Again. It's last weeks news... What about those tax returns, eh? That'll prove he's a good guy for the people! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! etc etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #2 March 17, 2017 Spicer is now claiming that Obama got GCHQ to do the wiretap ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #3 March 17, 2017 ScottishJohn Spicer is now claiming that Obama got GCHQ to do the wiretap Oh for gods sake. STFU, Bond...Bond... even trump can't be that stupid. "British Prime Minister Theresa May has received assurances from the White House it would not repeat allegations that Britain's GCHQ spy agency had helped former U.S. President Barack Obama eavesdrop on Donald Trump, her spokesman said on Friday. A spokesman for May said that the charge, made on Tuesday by Fox News analyst Andrew Napolitano, that the UK's signals intelligence agency GCHQ had helped Obama to wire tap Trump after his victory in last year's U.S. presidential election, was "ridiculous". "We've made clear to the administration that these claims are ridiculous and they should be ignored and we've received assurances that these allegations will not be repeated," May's spokesman told reporters." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-wiretapping-idUSKBN16O16Q US makes formal apology to Britain after White House accuses GCHQ of wiretapping Trump Tower The US has made a formal apology to Britain after the White House accused GCHQ of helping Barack Obama spy on Donald Trump in the White House. Sean Spicer, Mr Trump's press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November's election. The comments prompted a furious response from GCHQ, which in a break from normal practice issued a public statement: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president-elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #4 March 17, 2017 ScottishJohn Spicer is now claiming that Obama got GCHQ to do the wiretap This administration is a national embarrassment. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/ US makes formal apology to Britain after White House accuses GCHQ of wiretapping Trump Tower... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #5 March 17, 2017 kallend ***Spicer is now claiming that Obama got GCHQ to do the wiretap This administration is a national embarrassment. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/ US makes formal apology to Britain after White House accuses GCHQ of wiretapping Trump Tower They are just throwing up shit to see what will stick with their idiot supporters. Edited to add: Of course also ironic this White House accusation is based on a single media report with anonymous sources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #6 March 17, 2017 SkyDekker Of course also ironic this White House accusation is based on a single media report with anonymous sources. Right? God I wish those Journos didn't need to protect their press passes and would call Spicer out, to his face, for spreading what he would call fake news in any other situation. But anyway, it's nice to see Trump hard at work rebuilding the special relationship with the UK that so many Republican commentators thought Obama was failing. Yeah, this is much better now Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #7 March 17, 2017 Someone remind me - How many times during Obama's 8 year administration did the United States formally and publicly apologize to an ally for some sort of transgression? We could open a book on the number of times it's going to happen in Trump's term. I'm certain at some point he's going to have to apologize to Germany and Japan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #8 March 17, 2017 I thought this was appropriate https://www.redmolotov.com/catalogue/tshirts/all/gchq-always-listening-tshirt.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #9 March 17, 2017 kallend This administration is a national embarrassment. Witness some of the quite undiplomatic language coming out of the UK today: This, from Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former chair of British Parliamentary intelligence and security committee, speaking to BBC Radio; “That’s just foolish and very dangerous stuff and President Trump better get a grip not only on his own press officer but on the kind of encouragement being given in the White House that makes a press officer make these stupid allegations in the first place." Followed by this; Tim Farron, leader of the Liberal Democrats, described Spicer’s repetition of the claims as “shameful” and said Trump was “compromising the vital UK-US security relationship to try to cover his own embarrassment” source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/17/white-house-will-not-be-repeat-claims-gchq-spied-trump-? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #10 March 17, 2017 >It won't matter to Trumps supporters that he has just been shown to have lied directly to them. It's not Trump's fault that he lied. It's Obama's "deep state" secret government that is trying to make him look dumb. ======================== Trump White House sees influence of shadowy 'deep state' By Jonathan Lemire, Associated Press NEW YORK — Mar 15, 2017, 4:00 AM ET The "deep state," an alleged shadowy network of powerful entrenched federal and military interests, has increasingly become the focus of Republicans who accuse such forces of trying to undermine the new president. Though senior White House staff members don't use the exact label, the notion behind it has taken hold. President Donald Trump claims his predecessor tapped his phone and America's intelligence agencies have conspired to leak harmful information to embarrass him. His chief strategist has vowed to dismantle the permanent Washington "administrative state." White House spokesman Sean Spicer says "people that burrowed into government" are trying to sabotage the president. To Trump's critics, these assertions come off as paranoid fear of a non-existent shadow government and an effort to create a scapegoat for the White House's struggles. But to Trump's supporters, this represents an overdue challenge to an elite ruling class concerned only with maintaining its own grasp on power. "Of course, the deep state exists. There's a permanent state of massive bureaucracies that do whatever they want and set up deliberate leaks to attack the president," said Newt Gingrich, a Trump confidant. "This is what the deep state does: They create a lie, spread a lie, fail to check the lie and then deny that they were behind the lie." ========================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #11 March 17, 2017 QuoteThey create a lie, spread a lie, fail to check the lie and then deny that they were behind the lie." So like totally completely different from like claiming the previous president like tapped your wires.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #12 March 17, 2017 SkyDekkerQuoteThey create a lie, spread a lie, fail to check the lie and then deny that they were behind the lie." So like totally completely different from like claiming the previous president like tapped your wires.... Just the Newt, desperate to get his name in "print." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,400 #13 March 17, 2017 aphid *** This administration is a national embarrassment. Witness some of the quite undiplomatic language coming out of the UK today: This, from Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former chair of British Parliamentary intelligence and security committee, speaking to BBC Radio; “That’s just foolish and very dangerous stuff and President Trump better get a grip not only on his own press officer but on the kind of encouragement being given in the White House that makes a press officer make these stupid allegations in the first place." Followed by this; Tim Farron, leader of the Liberal Democrats, described Spicer’s repetition of the claims as “shameful” and said Trump was “compromising the vital UK-US security relationship to try to cover his own embarrassment” source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/17/white-house-will-not-be-repeat-claims-gchq-spied-trump-? I think the UK should appoint Peter Capaldi as ambassador to the US, on the condition he always stays in Malcolm Tucker character. I'd pay money to see him talk to Trump."Don't ever call me fucking English again.""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,400 #14 March 17, 2017 billvon >It won't matter to Trumps supporters that he has just been shown to have lied directly to them. It's not Trump's fault that he lied. It's Obama's "deep state" secret government that is trying to make him look dumb. When did Trump ever need help with that???"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #15 March 17, 2017 >So like totally completely different from like claiming the previous president like tapped your wires.... That was totally different, and not Trump's fault at all. And who can he blame? Well, Obama of course, but nobody believed a lie that ridiculous. So now he's looking to blame . . . wait for it. . . . FOX News! “We said nothing. All we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. I didn’t make an opinion on it, that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on Fox, and so you shouldn’t be talking to me, you should be talking to FOX.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,064 #16 March 17, 2017 Hi Bill, QuoteThe "deep state," . . . has increasingly become the focus of Republicans who accuse such forces of trying to undermine the new president. 1. IMO there are very few (R's) who think like this. 2. More power to them; this President, and his loonies in the White House, need to be kept under control. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #17 March 17, 2017 JerryBaumchenHi Bill, QuoteThe "deep state," . . . has increasingly become the focus of Republicans who accuse such forces of trying to undermine the new president. 1. IMO there are very few (R's) who think like this. 2. More power to them; this President, and his loonies in the White House, need to be kept under control. Jerry Baumchen Agree. They are trying to keep their noses to the grindstone and get some serious work done before everything gets sidetracked again. Wishing trump would hit the road to sell trumpcare. Instead of another weekend at the "Southern White House". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #18 March 18, 2017 SkyDekker They are just throwing up shit to see what will stick with their idiot supporters. Edited to add: Of course also ironic this White House accusation is based on a single media report with anonymous sources. "The great thing about having tiny hands? It makes it easier to just pull stuff out of your ass." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,400 #19 March 18, 2017 headoverheels *** They are just throwing up shit to see what will stick with their idiot supporters. Edited to add: Of course also ironic this White House accusation is based on a single media report with anonymous sources. "The great thing about having tiny hands? It makes it easier to just pull stuff out of your ass." Been watching Bill Maher, eh?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #20 March 20, 2017 www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/19/house-intel-committee-chairman-there-never-was-trump-tower-wiretap.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #21 March 20, 2017 kallend www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/19/house-intel-committee-chairman-there-never-was-trump-tower-wiretap.html So that's the House Intelligence Committee Chairman saying there was never a wiretap... and here's the FBI director saying that "neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice had evidence to support Trump’s claims that his predecessor Barack Obama wiretapped his phones ahead of the election. " http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-39328507 Trumps tweets - FAKE NEWS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #22 March 20, 2017 They also state that there is an active counterintelligence investigation into the sitting US President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #23 March 20, 2017 yoink*** www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/19/house-intel-committee-chairman-there-never-was-trump-tower-wiretap.html So that's the House Intelligence Committee Chairman saying there was never a wiretap... and here's the FBI director saying that "neither the FBI nor the Department of Justice had evidence to support Trump’s claims that his predecessor Barack Obama wiretapped his phones ahead of the election. " http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-39328507 Trumps tweets - FAKE NEWS! I think in the end the committee was trying to send the President a message. There is a reason why republicans on the committee co-operated and brought this forward. It was to send trump a message. Lying and false promises on the campaign trail is different from doing the same things as a president. As to the hearings. In committees there is genuine work in a bi-partisan, professional way done when there are no cameras or microphones around. Enter the public or the media and grandstanding grows. The doubling down on the lies by trump over the noon-hour shows that trump is not going to change. Mr. Spicer looses more and more credibility every day. The presidents credibility, that he may want to use sooner or later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #24 March 21, 2017 So the FBI says no wiretap. DoJ says no. Director of National Intelligence says no. UK prime minister says no. House Intelligence Committee says no. Even Fox News says no. And Trump is a proven liar. So a Trumpkin friend of mine asks "Does that mean that it positively did not happen?"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #25 March 21, 2017 kallend So the FBI says no wiretap. DoJ says no. Director of National Intelligence says no. UK prime minister says no. House Intelligence Committee says no. Even Fox News says no. And Trump is a proven liar. So you're still pretending that Trump meant wiretap when he said wiretap? God John, you're such a fake news!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
